The Early Classsics


ray silvester, February 18, 2013

As Far as I can tell the system is as follows?

For standard:
Omloop-4 transfers-KuurneBruxelles-Unlimited transfers-Samyn-6 transfers-Bianchi

For Purist:
Omloop+KBK-Unlimited transfers-Samyn+Bianchi

Startlists:
Make your own checks as it sounds as if those racing in just one of the races may be listed for both i.e Cavendish is in the provisonal OPQS line up for Kuurne but not for the Omloop but will be listed in the riders list for both.

Just a scoring question:
Will the scoring for Purist take all 4 races as a whole OR split it into the 2 sections as divided by permitted transfers?

Basically for the startlists, all riders for the first two races highlighted as available, so what Gkam is saying foe everyone, is don't come on here and moan after if you Pick Cav thinking he is riding Omloop, when he is just riding Kuurne Devil Wink check it for yourself basically.

As for scoring it will all be together as one competition I believe, just the startlists differ so greatly it would be very difficult for all four races to be together without any changes. Abit like how the normal classics worked last year, I think there was an unlimited window halfway through

Omloop statlist
http://www.cyclingfever.com/editie.html?detp=view&_ap=startlijst&editie_...

Kuurne startlist
http://www.cyclingfever.com/editie.html?detp=view&_ap=startlijst&editie_...

posted by TERatcliffe26 [2819 posts] 18th February 2013 - 10:13

Any idea when team selection will open for this....

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posted by STEVESPRO 79 [272 posts] 18th February 2013 - 11:51

STEVESPRO 79 wrote:
Any idea when team selection will open for this....

Whenever Dave presses the open button

posted by TERatcliffe26 [2819 posts] 18th February 2013 - 12:41

TERatcliffe26 wrote:
STEVESPRO 79 wrote:
Any idea when team selection will open for this....

Whenever Dave presses the open button

Why do people bother posting when they do not have an answer to a valid question....I am well aware of how and by whom a selection window is opened.... Sad

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posted by STEVESPRO 79 [272 posts] 18th February 2013 - 13:11

STEVESPRO 79 wrote:
TERatcliffe26 wrote:
STEVESPRO 79 wrote:
Any idea when team selection will open for this....

Whenever Dave presses the open button

Why do people bother posting when they do not have an answer to a valid question....I am well aware of how and by whom a selection window is opened.... Sad

Because i was saying it will be when he decides to open it and he has checked everything is ok to go

posted by TERatcliffe26 [2819 posts] 18th February 2013 - 13:24

There's a lot of tension on these boards this week.

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posted by obutterwick [440 posts] 18th February 2013 - 13:24

obutterwick wrote:
There's a lot of tension on these boards this week.

Everyone say it with me, 'Woosah'.

posted by drheaton [2420 posts] 18th February 2013 - 13:59

I'm not sure I follow drheaton

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posted by obutterwick [440 posts] 18th February 2013 - 14:06

There are around 20 riders who are riding one and not the other. Its not painfully hard, but I have created this side by side view for you.

http://gkam84.tk/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Omloop-Het-Nieuwsblad.pdf

As TER said, its just upto Dave to press open, we only create the races and rosters, then score them, Dave to use is the boss and have all the crucial buttons Nerd

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posted by Gkam84 [6474 posts] 18th February 2013 - 16:01

Gkam84 wrote:
There are around 20 riders who are riding one and not the other. Its not painfully hard, but I have created this side by side view for you.

http://gkam84.tk/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Omloop-Het-Nieuwsblad.pdf

As TER said, its just upto Dave to press open, we only create the races and rosters, then score them, Dave to use is the boss and have all the crucial buttons Nerd

Brilliant, thanks.

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posted by obutterwick [440 posts] 18th February 2013 - 16:33

STEVESPRO 79 wrote:
TERatcliffe26 wrote:
STEVESPRO 79 wrote:
Any idea when team selection will open for this....

Whenever Dave presses the open button

Why do people bother posting when they do not have an answer to a valid question....I am well aware of how and by whom a selection window is opened.... Sad

Patientence is a virtue!

posted by spurs810 [67 posts] 18th February 2013 - 20:23

Ok guys, the Early Classics will be open TONIGHT Big Grin

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posted by Gkam84 [6474 posts] 18th February 2013 - 21:09

WE ARE OPEN

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posted by Gkam84 [6474 posts] 18th February 2013 - 21:13

Haha.

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posted by obutterwick [440 posts] 18th February 2013 - 21:22

Woo hoo. Now, gkam who do I pick?

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posted by JAndrewHill [956 posts] 18th February 2013 - 22:25

Do you want purist or standard team suggestions? Liar

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posted by Gkam84 [6474 posts] 18th February 2013 - 23:07

I suddenly realised my standard team are looking very, very Norwegian....

posted by robdaykin [123 posts] 18th February 2013 - 23:14

Gkam84 wrote:
Do you want purist or standard team suggestions? Liar

Well just nine suggestions for each... Wink
Ive done my first draft, andmy purists hope its a flat bunch sprint....so cav might have been selected

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posted by JAndrewHill [956 posts] 18th February 2013 - 23:24

I would be tempted with Belgian riders or those on Belgian teams or those who live in Belgium or those who were born in Belgium or have Belgian parents.....you get the idea.

People like Matthew Brammeier and Gatis Smukulis Devil

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posted by Gkam84 [6474 posts] 18th February 2013 - 23:51

Wiggins isn't ridng though Big Grin

posted by robdaykin [123 posts] 19th February 2013 - 7:37

Procycling stats have a nice team if you look at their top 10 one day racers on the KBK page

http://www.procyclingstats.com/race/1181501-Kuurne-Brussel-Kuurne-2013-O...

And all of them are riding this weekend.

posted by robdaykin [123 posts] 19th February 2013 - 7:54

robdaykin wrote:
Procycling stats have a nice team if you look at their top 10 one day racers on the KBK page

http://www.procyclingstats.com/race/1181501-Kuurne-Brussel-Kuurne-2013-O...

And all of them are riding this weekend.

Well it seems 5 of those riders are in my standard team and 3 in my purist team

posted by TERatcliffe26 [2819 posts] 19th February 2013 - 10:52

Look at the 2010 winner..... Wink Wink

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posted by Gkam84 [6474 posts] 19th February 2013 - 12:57

Gone for consistant performers in these classics Yawn

both standard and purist picked! Plain Face

P.S. Boonen not in any of my teams Big Grin

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posted by livestrongnick [754 posts] 19th February 2013 - 13:17

http://www.podiumcafe.com/2013/2/18/4001748/rcs-sport-revives-giro-del-l...

This would have been a nice race to double with Bianche.
Look a those killer cobbles, nice, very nice..

posted by archieboy [19 posts] 19th February 2013 - 13:41

archieboy wrote:
http://www.podiumcafe.com/2013/2/18/4001748/rcs-sport-revives-giro-del-lazio-as-the-roma-maxima

This would have been a nice race to double with Bianche.
Look a those killer cobbles, nice, very nice..

I hadn't heard of that race but it certainly looks fun, especially as it features a section of the Appian Way! Bike racing on Roman roads, excellent Big Grin

As for adding it, I think it's too late. Once a 'race' or collection of races such as this are open it's not possible to add/change stages.

Perhaps one to watch and consider next year.

posted by drheaton [2420 posts] 19th February 2013 - 13:53

Understood, just having multiple orgasms looking at those slabs of granite.

posted by archieboy [19 posts] 19th February 2013 - 13:58

Gkam84 wrote:
Look at the 2010 winner..... Wink Wink

Good old Bobbie

posted by TERatcliffe26 [2819 posts] 19th February 2013 - 14:12

obutterwick wrote:
I'm not sure I follow drheaton

Bad Boys Bad Boys (2) what you gonna do! Big Grin

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posted by cidermart [287 posts] 19th February 2013 - 17:43

cidermart wrote:
obutterwick wrote:
I'm not sure I follow drheaton

Bad Boys Bad Boys (2) what you gonna do! Big Grin

Ah.

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posted by obutterwick [440 posts] 19th February 2013 - 17:53

how does the purist team work guys....is it all 4 or 2 then 2 ?

posted by noddy69 [62 posts] 19th February 2013 - 18:59

2 then 2.

Purists are allowed to make transfers during unlimited windows.

posted by drheaton [2420 posts] 19th February 2013 - 19:05

TERatcliffe26 wrote:
Gkam84 wrote:
Look at the 2010 winner..... Wink Wink

Good old Bobbie


And third last year.
Ive stacked my purist team with sprinters and standard with all rounders, like the spanish arrow.

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posted by JAndrewHill [956 posts] 19th February 2013 - 20:11

Spanish Arrow. Like it.

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posted by obutterwick [440 posts] 19th February 2013 - 20:51

Does anyone have details of TV coverage in the UK?

posted by kaysing [3 posts] 20th February 2013 - 7:38

kaysing wrote:
Does anyone have details of TV coverage in the UK?

I can't see any coverage listed Thinking

posted by TERatcliffe26 [2819 posts] 20th February 2013 - 9:40

The "Spanish Arrow" was my first pick for both teams.

Gone for a mixture of AR and DS and the one sprinter.

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posted by stumps [1558 posts] 20th February 2013 - 11:34

I picked my team the other day, and im not looking at it again until friday, then I will make any final changes if rosters or anything change.

I may have the Spanish Arrow in my team Thinking Wink

posted by TERatcliffe26 [2819 posts] 20th February 2013 - 11:43

Considering Lasse Hansen...looks like he can sprint. Smile

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posted by JAndrewHill [956 posts] 20th February 2013 - 19:17

That dane hansen looks very promising

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posted by JAndrewHill [956 posts] 20th February 2013 - 19:23

Boeckmans and Demare appear to be in the start lists, but not selectable for this race. Am I going daft?

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posted by Ghedebrav [269 posts] 20th February 2013 - 21:21

JAndrewHill wrote:
Considering Lasse Hansen...looks like he can sprint. Smile

Hansen of Blue Water Cycling fame?

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posted by obutterwick [440 posts] 20th February 2013 - 21:30

obutterwick wrote:
JAndrewHill wrote:
Considering Lasse Hansen...looks like he can sprint. Smile

Hansen of Blue Water Cycling fame?


No, the lasse hansen that I was watching sprinting at 60kmph on the tv tonight...

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posted by JAndrewHill [956 posts] 20th February 2013 - 22:44

Anyway, for the early classics ive just brought in a couple of belgian. Stars, they are for my std team...but not tb, as I think he is out of form. Thinking

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posted by JAndrewHill [956 posts] 20th February 2013 - 22:46

Ghedebrav wrote:
Boeckmans and Demare appear to be in the start lists, but not selectable for this race. Am I going daft?

I will be updating tomorrow, to make sure I have everyone in, I thought I had Demare, but just checked, nope, he'll get chucked in tomorrow

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posted by Gkam84 [6474 posts] 21st February 2013 - 0:15

just a heads up, Tom Van Asbroeck should be part of the selection for Het nieuwsblad too Smile

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posted by makiavelli [14 posts] 21st February 2013 - 1:49

makiavelli wrote:
just a heads up, Tom Van Asbroeck should be part of the selection for Het nieuwsblad too Smile

He, too, can sprint. Perhaps not one for Omloop, though.

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posted by obutterwick [440 posts] 21st February 2013 - 8:55

Gkam84 wrote:
Ghedebrav wrote:
Boeckmans and Demare appear to be in the start lists, but not selectable for this race. Am I going daft?

I will be updating tomorrow, to make sure I have everyone in, I thought I had Demare, but just checked, nope, he'll get chucked in tomorrow

Great stuff, thanks Big Grin

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posted by Ghedebrav [269 posts] 21st February 2013 - 14:02

On Kuurne, is anyone else thinking we might see a bit of Lotto vs OPQS action, given that both of their star sprinters seem to be starting the season in blazing form, and this is their first face-off of the season? Psychological victories and all that.

It's kind of tricky to fit both into a team though... Thinking

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posted by Ghedebrav [269 posts] 21st February 2013 - 14:32

OK, I updated the startlist as silly o'clock this morning, I now think I have EVERYONE in there, If you see anymore missing riders, please give me a shout. I'm not prefect and may have missed someone out Thinking

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posted by Gkam84 [6474 posts] 21st February 2013 - 15:23

Gkam84 wrote:
OK, I updated the startlist as silly o'clock this morning, I now think I have EVERYONE in there, If you see anymore missing riders, please give me a shout. I'm not prefect and may have missed someone out Thinking

Gkam....your hard work is appreciated Big Grin

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posted by colhum1 [91 posts] 22nd February 2013 - 19:25

With only 11hrs to go before the window closes do i pick Boonen ?

He's not on form at the mo following his op but do i discount him at my peril Thinking Thinking

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posted by stumps [1558 posts] 22nd February 2013 - 19:56

Blythe's pulled out of Omloop

posted by ray silvester [786 posts] 22nd February 2013 - 20:27

ray silvester wrote:
Blythe's pulled out of Omloop

Wise move. I think KBK is more suited to him.

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posted by obutterwick [440 posts] 22nd February 2013 - 21:35

One OPQS rider for me and is isn't Boonen.

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posted by obutterwick [440 posts] 22nd February 2013 - 22:21

obutterwick wrote:
One OPQS rider for me and is isn't Boonen.

Same for me too

posted by TERatcliffe26 [2819 posts] 22nd February 2013 - 22:39

TERatcliffe26 wrote:
obutterwick wrote:
One OPQS rider for me and is isn't Boonen.

Same for me too

Tricky Niki?

posted by ray silvester [786 posts] 22nd February 2013 - 22:49

ray silvester wrote:
TERatcliffe26 wrote:
obutterwick wrote:
One OPQS rider for me and is isn't Boonen.

Same for me too

Tricky Niki?

Thats mine

posted by TERatcliffe26 [2819 posts] 22nd February 2013 - 23:01

TERatcliffe26 wrote:
ray silvester wrote:
TERatcliffe26 wrote:
obutterwick wrote:
One OPQS rider for me and is isn't Boonen.

Same for me too

Tricky Niki?

Thats mine

Mine too!

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posted by obutterwick [440 posts] 22nd February 2013 - 23:07

1 spot left for tomorrow's race. Hushovd - Pozzato or Haussler? which one makes the cut?
B.T.

posted by ErinForks [1 posts] 22nd February 2013 - 23:15

ErinForks wrote:
1 spot left for tomorrow's race. Hushovd - Pozzato or Haussler? which one makes the cut?
B.T.

I can tell you one of those is on my team

posted by TERatcliffe26 [2819 posts] 22nd February 2013 - 23:21

obutterwick wrote:
TERatcliffe26 wrote:
ray silvester wrote:
TERatcliffe26 wrote:
obutterwick wrote:
One OPQS rider for me and is isn't Boonen.

Same for me too

Tricky Niki?

Thats mine

Mine too!


Id better chan ge mine then...it seems everyones going for nt. Lets try davide insted.

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posted by JAndrewHill [956 posts] 22nd February 2013 - 23:28

And 3 belgians worth 44.8 credits...expecting a good home showing.

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posted by JAndrewHill [956 posts] 22nd February 2013 - 23:35

Tricky in mine plus 3 Belgians worth 41.4 Big Grin

No Boonen cause he's declared that he's using these as warm up Nerd

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posted by livestrongnick [754 posts] 22nd February 2013 - 23:48

ErinForks wrote:
1 spot left for tomorrow's race. Hushovd - Pozzato or Haussler? which one makes the cut?
B.T.

I have all three! Hoping for big things from Thor today...

posted by chrisdstripes [853 posts] 23rd February 2013 - 7:15

My Standard Team:

Edvald Boasson Hagen (SKY)
Heinrich Haussler (IAM)
Juan Antonio Flecha (VCD)
Niki Terpstra (OPQ)
Lars Boom (BLA)
Ian Stannard (SKY)
Sep Vanmarcke (BLA)
Greg van Avermaet (BMC)
Jurgen Roelandts (LOT)

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posted by obutterwick [440 posts] 23rd February 2013 - 8:47

My Purist Team:

Edvald Boasson Hagen (SKY)
Heinrich Haussler (IAM)
Juan Antonio Flecha (VCD)
Taylor Phinney (BMC)
Greg van Avermaet (BMC)
Alexander Kristoff (KAT)
Lars Boom (BLA)
Niki Terpstra (OPQ)
Sep Vanmarcke (BLA)

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posted by obutterwick [440 posts] 23rd February 2013 - 8:50

obutterwick wrote:
My Standard Team:

Edvald Boasson Hagen (SKY)
Heinrich Haussler (IAM)
Juan Antonio Flecha (VCD)
Niki Terpstra (OPQ)
Lars Boom (BLA)
Ian Stannard (SKY)
Sep Vanmarcke (BLA)
Greg van Avermaet (BMC)
Jurgen Roelandts (LOT)

Well we only have 2 different riders, Ive got Paolini and Cousin for Stannard and Vanmarcke as I decided to saave some credits for a big Sprinter tomorrow.

Cant see a Vanmarcke repeat if im honest

posted by TERatcliffe26 [2819 posts] 23rd February 2013 - 9:20

Many Belgians will try and fail....at the end of the day the Norwegian flag will be raised aloft.....with an Aussie standing in the background thinking...What if...

But hey...what do I know.....Good luck people...this one is a tough call.... Smile

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posted by STEVESPRO 79 [272 posts] 23rd February 2013 - 10:05

WTF with the 0600 deadline ?

I've just gone on to pick my team and found it closed.

Why is this different to a normal stage where the window is open until it begins ?

Is it about a bicycle ?

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posted by abudhabiChris [387 posts] 23rd February 2013 - 10:05

STEVESPRO 79 wrote:
Many Belgians will try and fail....at the end of the day the Norwegian flag will be raised aloft.....with an Aussie standing in the background thinking...What if...

But hey...what do I know.....Good luck people...this one is a tough call.... Smile

EBH followed by Haussler, that will do me

posted by TERatcliffe26 [2819 posts] 23rd February 2013 - 10:08

abudhabiChris wrote:
WTF with the 0600 deadline ?

I've just gone on to pick my team and found it closed.

Why is this different to a normal stage where the window is open until it begins ?

Don't know the answer, I'm afraid, but there was an email last night warning of the 6am deadline.

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posted by obutterwick [440 posts] 23rd February 2013 - 10:15

Thomas
Kristoff
Lodewyck
Roelandts
Boassan Higgs
Boom
Van avermaet
Tjallingi
Stybar

Is the standard for success.

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posted by JAndrewHill [956 posts] 23rd February 2013 - 11:37

My standard team:

Thor Hushovd
Juan Antonio Flecha
Edvald Boasson Hagen
Leigh Howard
Geraint Thomas
Luca Paolini
Kenny van Hummel
Jurgen Roelandts
Vincent Jerome

Purist

Edvald Boasson Hagen
Arnaud Demare
Geraint Thomas
Juan Antonio Flecha
Alexandr Kolobnev
Niki Terpstra
Paul Martens
Jurgen Roelandts
Maarten Tjallingii

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posted by stumps [1558 posts] 23rd February 2013 - 11:54

Stumps....Kolobnev and Demare are only riding in one.... Surprise

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posted by STEVESPRO 79 [272 posts] 23rd February 2013 - 12:10

STEVESPRO 79 wrote:
Stumps....Kolobnev and Demare are only riding in one.... Surprise

Ah bollocks, thats what you get for picking teams after nightshift Crying

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posted by stumps [1558 posts] 23rd February 2013 - 12:13

Mind you the rest of my riders will ALL come top 10 in the first race Laughing Laughing

Stumpy

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posted by stumps [1558 posts] 23rd February 2013 - 12:18

My purist team has Cav and Hut who are only riding tomorrow, as Im not sure many of todays riders will be up the front tomorrow

posted by TERatcliffe26 [2819 posts] 23rd February 2013 - 12:47

stumps wrote:
Mind you the rest of my riders will ALL come top 10 in the first race Laughing Laughing

Now that's confidence if I ever heard it!

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posted by obutterwick [440 posts] 23rd February 2013 - 12:47

Standard:
Flecha
Ciolek(secret weapon)
GVA
EBH
VanMarcke
Terpstra
Roeleandts
Haussler
Pozzato

Pure:
Phinney
EBH
Flecha
Paolini
Roelandts
GVA
Pozzato
Traksel
Matthews

Expecting more from Omloop than Kuurne for my purists to be honest.

Stumps....Howard's only riding K-B-K I think?

posted by ray silvester [786 posts] 23rd February 2013 - 13:03

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