Fantasy Directeur Sportif Challenge

Started off thinking WT only, then got distracted trying to work out the points breakdown, and forgot WT in the process of disappearing up my own orifice.

If we're doing it for WT points as the first priority, you have 19 teams worth of riders. Just becomes a question then of how you choose or allocate riders. If you want to give people choice, then you need less than 19 teams. Even 1
less gives some choice. The fewer the more choice.

I agree we need more than the handful of us already doing this, and to attract players it probably needs to be simpler than the spreadsheet I'm doing, and I suspect you guys are using. I don't mind the effort, since I'm learning a lot about the sport doing this, which makes it worthwhile to me.

The auction/draft mess and 60 riders are too complex and too many. We'll see how many riders we each get into each WT race this year, but I don't think at 28-30 you will fill your roster for every race, unless you pick heavily along the lines of a current WT team lineup, or are very good/lucky. For example I've been over for TdU and PN, but I'll be short for Tirreno, and I'm guessing for other races to come.

As for picking, if we can't just do as we did this year and we have to avoid overlaps, then we need some way to make it a fair process. How about I get first choice, since I'm going to come last this year

If we had say 12 team slots, what about each of us taking 1/12th of the riders available, so we split all the WT riders between us? Ignoring values, other than as a guide to 'quality'. Or is that what you mean by draft. I'm never sure how drafts work, since in NBA, the only sport I follow that does drafts (that I know of) it's a mystery to me how it works.

I still think a random allocation of the top n riders to teams could work.

Anyway got 9 months to iron this out, so no hurry. Anyone has a light bulb moment, please illuminate us all.

alright, 19 WT teams with say 28 riders each gives a pool of 532 riders in total. In the preseason spreadsheet there are 1394, worth 9644.8 points in total.
There are 10 riders worth 30 or more, 40 worth 20-30, 261 worth 10-20.

So if we say 15 teams, each with 3 star riders worth 20+ points, and 10-12 worth 10-20. with another 15 or so under 10, then the 300 points is a little generous, say 280 points to pull things down, giving a total of 4200 points used.
If we say each team must have say 3 neo pros that brings us to 30 riders per team. Careful selection of non WT riders will help too because some of the Pro level teams like Caja, Netapp etc are getting invites and turning in good performances, expanding the available pool of riders.

At most I reckon you could have 20 teams, but you'd need to pull the points down, and someone would not have 3 'top' level rider over 30 points, so 15 seems fair, with maybe a random pick of one of the highest value 'star' riders when you sign up to avoid argument, and challenge you to build a team round that high cost rider.

My current team has 1 of those 30 point + riders, 5 at 20-30, 7 at 10-20 and just 5 at 3 points only and I'm pretty happy with the breakdown. The only observation is that sprinters are pricier 'cos these values come from the Fantasy game, not the WT points. If I picked again, I'd have a couple more 3 pointers to afford another well known sprinter. All my riders are WT, and I have a little overlap with all 3 other teams.

The other observation is that we don't pick the actual riders in each race, so maybe it would be an idea to have 20 teams, each allowed 450 points, and 60 riders. That would use 1200 of the riders and hopefully each team would get 9 in each race, being required to declare up front. 450 points is 30 riders at 300, 30 for 150 more, averaging 5 per rider.
To sort out who gets which riders, there are loads of ways. The fairest I can think of so far is everyone is assigned a top rider. You then have a pot of 'money' and can bid for the next 5 riders. Winning bid signs. Then new pot of money for next 5 and so on. Giving 12 rounds of drafts in total. Maybe that's too many, maybe 10 riders per draft for 6 rounds, or 12 for 5. First rider assigned avoids the inevitable bidding wars for Sagan or Wiggins or Cav. Or do bidding for riders over 10, and neo pros only, riders 3-10 in value sign for first offer after the bidding rounds complete.

Thoughts?

Yeah, no poaching, Talansky signed with me this season :-P

Just looking over my spreadsheet, and after an encouraging start, there's a huge hole with the early classics where I just have one or two riders entered per race. Seems like not many of the guys I picked for Classics are doing the early ones.

Then I hit Paris Nice, and Tireno and 22 out of 27 are in there.

Seems I may have misjudged how this part of the year works with the stage races and the one days. Having said that I've never really bothered with any races before April/May time, so it's all learning this year.

Next year, I think I need to review my balance of GC vs sprinters. Kittel, Cav and Appollonio aren't enough to cover the range of races and finishes. GC riders may be better for WT over the year, but my team goals are less aligned with WT points and more crowd pleasing ones and top 20 in GC doesn't float that many boats compared to a Sagan salute.

Maybe need to be haunting the u23 races and continental teams looking for the next fast gun.