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by enrique   January 10, 2013  

Things you may want to ask for.

1. Can you add sortable columns to the 'Rankings' page so you can click on the Rider 'Value' column and have the list sorted by rider value instead of its current sort by points scored?

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Chava for IAM has a stage win in him somewhere too but he may well save his best for the French crowds and is not as good a value as HH?

posted by ray silvester [1867 posts]
6th July 2014 - 12:50

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ray silvester wrote:
Chava for IAM has a stage win in him somewhere too but he may well save his best for the French crowds and is not as good a value as HH?
Yeah for sure, Chava is one of the toughest riders I ever seen, so many times I seen him go down think he is out of race, then next minute he is at front attacking , ripped jersey flapping in wind LOL absolutely love him.

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posted by VVV73 [412 posts]
6th July 2014 - 13:06

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VVV73 wrote:
ray silvester wrote:
Chava for IAM has a stage win in him somewhere too but he may well save his best for the French crowds and is not as good a value as HH?
Yeah for sure, Chava is one of the toughest riders I ever seen, so many times I seen him go down think he is out of race, then next minute he is at front attacking , ripped jersey flapping in wind LOL absolutely love him.

P.s. ALL the IAM squad are peaking so hard atm. after the Suisse, I really like Brandle and bit less Hollenstien for future.

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posted by VVV73 [412 posts]
6th July 2014 - 13:07

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enrique wrote:
Dave, can we have an option next year of having our first page to come up in the game be the rider selection page of the current competition?...
Dave, what I mean is this... Here I am... tired... dispirited... and I'm thinking about doing my transfers and then I realize I have to go sign in, land on the 'Home' page, to see my information for the whole year, which I'm not particularly interested in right now, then look up at the tabs to make sure I don't click on the women's comp, which will probably be there all season, then click on 'TDF'and then click again to 'Select Team', it's like a marathon... It takes almost as long to get to do my transfers as it does to read one of my posts! Smile Agh, I'm just a grumpy old man... Thinking

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posted by enrique [2308 posts]
7th July 2014 - 3:56

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enrique wrote:
enrique wrote:
Dave, can we have an option next year of having our first page to come up in the game be the rider selection page of the current competition?...
Dave, what I mean is this... Here I am... tired... dispirited... and I'm thinking about doing my transfers and then I realize I have to go sign in, land on the 'Home' page, to see my information for the whole year, which I'm not particularly interested in right now, then look up at the tabs to make sure I don't click on the women's comp, which will probably be there all season, then click on 'TDF'and then click again to 'Select Team', it's like a marathon... It takes almost as long to get to do my transfers as it does to read one of my posts! Smile Agh, I'm just a grumpy old man... Thinking

so what you're saying is you have to click two buttons? the humanity.

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posted by Dave Atkinson [7830 posts]
7th July 2014 - 7:49

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Dave Atkinson wrote:
so what you're saying is you have to click two buttons? the humanity.
It's not just that, it's the rolling of the eyes, too... Could you get rid of the women's competition tabs for me?... That might make it less confusing... I'm very sensitive and so geared to the Tour de France that every time I click on the Women's World Cup, which happens every day practically, I puke, I just can't help it, I just can't control the mouse like I used to back in the day... Maybe I'm getting too old for this... Thinking

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posted by enrique [2308 posts]
7th July 2014 - 11:13

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I just thought of this while playing NBC's Fantasy Cycling Challenge... Thinking Could we have a sort for riders on the Team Selection page next year based on their total score for the running competition? At first I didn't like it, it's the default sort for riders in that game, but having riders sorted by their total score in the NBC game made me realize I was about to leave someone out that was scoring a boatload of points so far in the competition and suddenly I started liking it... Big Grin

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posted by enrique [2308 posts]
20th July 2014 - 15:25

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enrique wrote:
Dave, can we have an option next year of having our first page to come up in the game be the rider selection page of the current competition?...
Dave, I don't think we need a 'Home' tab, honestly, I don't think anybody ever really stops there except because it's where you land when you log in.... It's just a click-through page to get to the current competition in my opinion... Why don't you change the 'Home' page to a 'Badges' page and stick that in the background somewhere? I don't think badges are a talking point anymore, really, and, well, old people like me just want to go to the current competition to get our fix of our daily adrenaline rush... Thinking I hate to sound demeaning, but could you get rid of the 'Women's World Tour' Tabs, too? Not the races, just the tabs... In my rush to get to the TDF and the constant jiggling of tabs and the jiggling of the page layout due to the huge ads wreaking havoc on the page design I have to wait more than 1 second to click on the TDF tab, which is quite annoying in this day and age... In my haste I have been forced to go to the Women's World Tour on more than one occasion because of my haste in clicking... Thinking Something should be done about that... Waiting

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posted by enrique [2308 posts]
21st July 2014 - 19:05

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enrique wrote:
enrique wrote:
Dave, can we have an option next year of having our first page to come up in the game be the rider selection page of the current competition?...
Dave, I don't think we need a 'Home' tab, honestly, I don't think anybody ever really stops there except because it's where you land when you log in.... It's just a click-through page to get to the current competition in my opinion... Why don't you change the 'Home' page to a 'Badges' page and stick that in the background somewhere? I don't think badges are a talking point anymore, really, and, well, old people like me just want to go to the current competition to get our fix of our daily adrenaline rush... Thinking I hate to sound demeaning, but could you get rid of the 'Women's World Tour' Tabs, too? Not the races, just the tabs... In my rush to get to the TDF and the constant jiggling of tabs and the jiggling of the page layout due to the huge ads wreaking havoc on the page design I have to wait more than 1 second to click on the TDF tab, which is quite annoying in this day and age... In my haste I have been forced to go to the Women's World Tour on more than one occasion because of my haste in clicking... Thinking Something should be done about that... Waiting

I use the home tab to check my overall standing, and to switch those standings between my normal and purist teams. I find it useful anyway

posted by TERatcliffe26 [4444 posts]
21st July 2014 - 21:07

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TERatcliffe26 wrote:
I use the home tab to check my overall standing, and to switch those standings between my normal and purist teams...
I guess I never check my overall standings, especially during a competition... I could probably do without seeing my overall standing for the whole time a race is going on... Well, Dave, maybe you could rename the 'Home' tab 'Overall Standings'... or maybe you could have a checkbox somewhere that - if selected - would take you staright to your rider selection page every time you log in. I guess I'm just lazy and don't want to click 1 time to get to the competition and then another to select the riders.... It's too many clicks and my fingers hurt... Thinking I guess I'm just annoyable.. and annoying... and unreasonable... Thinking

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posted by enrique [2308 posts]
21st July 2014 - 21:52

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chiv30 wrote:
ray silvester wrote:
I have plans next season to have a forum's scorum's two tier league....possibly calling it pro tour and continental.....with promotion and relegation perhaps?

I like the idea but how will the pro tour teams be selected for next year ....ie players per league?

It'll probably be Top thirty and all equal scorers in the Pro Tour level and everyone else in Pro Conti with 5 promoted and relegated each season?

posted by ray silvester [1867 posts]
23rd July 2014 - 7:26

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I have an issue with the algorithm for working out points for new riders, specifically those who have a few races under their belts.

Looking at Tour of Poland Formolo, Arredondo and Seb Henao are very expensive. Formolo has done 12 stages within the competition (9x Suisse, 3x Trentino) yet he is 17.9 cost on the back of one moderately successful event (and pulling out of Trentino). On a twelve month basis he has scored less than, Riblon, Siutsou, Jungels, Capecchi, Ion Izaguirre, Barguil etc. But costs more than them.

Arredondo has done two very good events but had a bad volta catalunya. Is he really worth so much more than Cataldo and D. Caruso in a race to be decided on the time trial?

Same earlier in the season, Simon Yates was prohibitive on the back of only doing tour of britain, but Adam was cheap. IIRC Hofland and Coquard cost silly amounts in their second competition in the game because their first was so good.

It would be good if these up and coming riders could have their scores smoothed until they get enough races under their belts to accurately gauge their cost. Is this achievable?

posted by Twybaydos [454 posts]
3rd August 2014 - 9:52

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Twybaydos wrote:
... Formolo has done 12 stages... yet he is 17.9...
That's interesting... does that mean the algorithm just takes a look at points per type of stage but ignores number of days of racing in the last 12 months?... Thinking That could explain why they're more expensive I guess... Thinking

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posted by enrique [2308 posts]
3rd August 2014 - 12:20

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You know, looking at the results for the U23 Road race, I thought next year it might be fun to have the Worlds Championship Competition include all the race categories, women's, Jr's, U23, etc...

That'd be a lot of 3.0 riders to choose from! Big Grin I'd help with the start lists of course, but with the Tour of Beijing gone for next year, it would be a hell of a way to close out the Road.cc Fantasy Cycling Season! Smile

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posted by enrique [2308 posts]
26th September 2014 - 17:45

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Well, what a dilemma... The year is not even half way through and I'm already thinking about what things I either miss from the 'old' game or always wish had been there... Waiting

Here are my unabashedly honest, albeit truly insignificant, in the grand scheme of things, requests... based on a post I just commented on (http://road.cc/content/forum/145935-au-revoir#comment-336684)

1. We must tweak the rider value algorithm to allow for more mid level riders to be able to be added to teams. When the mountains come along, invariably, because of the high cost of the favorites, you end up with 3 or 4 'Stars' and 3 or 4 3.0 riders. Who wants a gaggle of non-scoring 3.0 riders on their team? (Admittedly, it takes a lot of planning to plan around these circumstances, which many of you seem to enjoy Thinking ) I live for the thrill of having many (!) riders to root for! Wink

2. I think we should go back to 9 man teams again...

3. I really miss the penalty transfers... Like I 've said before, that 'Last throw of the dice'... Plain Face

4. I miss the rider stats that said how many teams had a particular rider on their team... On the Oman stage which Valls Ferri won, on the Tirreno stage which Debushere won and on the mountain stage which Nairo won, it would have been nice to see who, or how many, were 'smart enough' or 'bold' enough to have picked those riders....

So there they are... My pet peeves about the game (again)... Feel free to do some intelligent moaning about me if your heart so desires... I can't help but feel the love... But (!) I do (!) love this game! And Gkam of course....

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posted by enrique [2308 posts]
18th March 2015 - 16:03

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Hey Enrique! Thinking

Here's my 2 pence!

Things I Miss.
1.
I also miss the penalty transfers, I understand planning your transfers, but as seems to happen I plan but end up having to compromise or run out towards the end of the race.
Maybe if we increased the penalty to 20 points per transfer, it might limit people.
Just feel that some stages I end up with no riders to cheer on! And it moves the standard nearer to being a purist comp.

2.
When clicking on a riders name in the selection, we get to see what scores they recently got, and what date, but no longer what type of stage it was. Which used to be a good help.

3.
Having a running total for certain badges over the season, such as Top 10 stage finish, and Top 20 Tour Finish etc. To give an indicator how you have done over a season.

4.
Also miss the prizes from last year. I understand they caused lots of problems last time, with lots of people not receiving them etc. But it did add a lot more incentive to the game.
And having just won the Tirreno Purist comp, am a little gutted Sad Love me some freedbies!

Things I like.

1.
The addition of stage profiles for each stage.

2.
I like the new bonus comps, embracing the more obscure mini comps that used to run, such as 3 frenchmen etc.

Hmm Think thats it for now! Thinking
Overall still the best game out there!
And mucho Kudos to everyone that runs it!! Cool

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posted by backflipbedlem [1298 posts]
18th March 2015 - 16:30

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I'm not necessarily a fan of the new system. I've just fallen from first to third in Tirreno in the very last stage, because I only had 2 transfers left and the guys behind me had one or two extra transfers left. It felt cruel to have nothing to do in the face of almost certain defeat. My heart is broken. For good...

Just kidding. I say let's give the new system a year to see how we adjust to it. It has changed every year since I know the game, so nothing lets us believe that the new system will remain in place for next year.
That being said, what I really miss is the system from my first year in the game, when rider values were changing during each competition, depending on their results. It was, of course, pretty crazy and it was probably pretty unfair, because the better you were, the easier the competition became for you (because your total credits in a GT, for example, were increasing as a result of your good picks). Nevertheless, it was hugely fun, because it was like buying riders and stocks at the same time. It was two games in one, really. That, I loved. And I'm sure that you, enrique, being a number lover, would love that one too...

posted by cgipryan [178 posts]
18th March 2015 - 16:45

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cgipryan wrote:
...It felt cruel to have nothing to do in the face of almost certain defeat. My heart is broken. For good...
Love Struck I feel your pain... Big Grin I'm sorry, really... Big Grin I mean it... Big Grin It's just a sort of crazy 'Glad it wasn't me!' scenario... Thinking Funny, but tragic...
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cgipryan wrote:
... I really miss... when rider values were changing during each competition... it was... like buying... stocks...
I remember that... the 2011 Vuelta... I came in 119th at that competition... My first spreadsheet for the game... In fact, you'll see a screenshot of the team I think I had for a mountain stage below... I became addicted after that... Waiting It was so cool to see your budget inch up 'cause your rider values had appreciated! Applause Hugely unfair for the uninitiated, despairing when your budget went down, nerve wracking, but ultimately intensely engaging! Wow! Smile

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backflipbedlem wrote:
1.... penalty transfers...

... I end up with no riders to cheer on! And it moves the standard nearer to being a purist comp.

2.... to see... what type of stage it was....

3.... a running total for ... badges over the season...

4.... the prizes...

... I like.
... the new bonus comps... Overall still the best game out there! ...

Nice list, flippy... I echo your sentiments...

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posted by enrique [2308 posts]
18th March 2015 - 17:45

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just a quick note to say that the game engine has changed a fair bit this year, but we'll be using this game engine for 2016 too. so there won't be masses of changes and things will settle down a bit.

looking at suggestions:

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We must tweak the rider value algorithm

we're always looking at it, and there's a bunch of variables we can use to tweak it on the fly. maybe we'll try a quicker fall-off in value for an upcoming race to see how it affects the dynamic

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I really miss the penalty transfers

They're not coming back though, at least not this year

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When clicking on a riders name in the selection, we get to see what scores they recently got, and what date, but no longer what type of stage it was. Which used to be a good help

I'll see about a fix for that

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I think we should go back to 9 man teams again

Grand tours will be 9-man teams

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Having a running total for certain badges over the season, such as Top 10 stage finish, and Top 20 Tour Finish etc. To give an indicator how you have done over a season

it's probably something we could add to the home page, i'll have a think about how that might work

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Also miss the prizes from last year

we'll be having prizes for the bigger races still, but there were a lot of issues with the prizes and we didn't feel we could commit to a prize for every stage of every competition. that being said, i'm going to look at reinstating (and backdating) at least a winner's prize for everything. so you could be in luck Wink

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I miss the rider stats that said how many teams had a particular rider on their team

you might miss them, but they never actually worked properly Wink

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I have an issue with the algorithm for working out points for new riders, specifically those who have a few races under their belts

going to look at this too as part of the general look at values

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I guess I'm just lazy and don't want to click 1 time to get to the competition and then another to select the riders

yup, you're just lazy.

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posted by Dave Atkinson [7830 posts]
18th March 2015 - 18:04

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enrique wrote:
... We must tweak the rider value algorithm...
Dave Atkinson wrote:
... maybe we'll try a quicker fall-off in value for an upcoming race to see how it affects the dynamic...
That's a nice thought! Smile
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Dave Atkinson wrote:
...you're... lazy.
That's not... Waiting
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enrique wrote:
... I miss the rider stats that said how many teams had a particular rider on their team...

Dave Atkinson wrote:
... they never actually worked...
I guess the query counted the riders on both Purist and Standard teams and calculated a percentage from all teams entered?... Thinking I'd settle for just a count of riders and not a percentage, if that's implementable...

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Ummm... Just for the record... You amaze me, Dave... Wink

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posted by enrique [2308 posts]
18th March 2015 - 18:32

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Dave Atkinson wrote:

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Also miss the prizes from last year

we'll be having prizes for the bigger races still, but there were a lot of issues with the prizes and we didn't feel we could commit to a prize for every stage of every competition. that being said, i'm going to look at reinstating (and backdating) at least a winner's prize for everything. so you could be in luck Wink


Wooooo!
Big Grin

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posted by backflipbedlem [1298 posts]
18th March 2015 - 18:50

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It's very difficult to get the team prize for 9 riders when we only have 8 Laughing

It is also a very different game with the 'SKODA' transfers and I'm still getting used to it, and it is actually much harder. I like it though.

The values have been a bit strange, for instance Marini and McLay are 20 ish and Mareczko is 3. They are pretty similar in talent and results.

posted by Joelsim [2059 posts]
19th March 2015 - 0:27

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Joelsim wrote:
The values have been a bit strange, for instance Marini and McLay are 20 ish and Mareczko is 3. They are pretty similar in talent and results.

the engine can only count results that have been part of a competition in the game though, so there's always going to be discrepancies. to exploit, i might add.

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posted by Dave Atkinson [7830 posts]
19th March 2015 - 9:56

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I love how much effort goes into your posts Enrique!! Laughing

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posted by backflipbedlem [1298 posts]
20th March 2015 - 14:21

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backflipbedlem wrote:
... filled my team with riders who aren't riding... clicked confirm... Looks like my team is set!
stumps wrote:
Me too...
Jonas Lorenzen wrote:
Glad im not the only one...

It's always been a strange quirk of the game that there isn't a 'reset button'... It adds to the fascination of the game that you have to live by the maxim 'Think before you click', I guess Thinking ... but I've always loved the option of resetting your team, as you can see below... Thinking

It's an old topic, of course, but one very dear to my heart! Smile

enrique wrote:
... my top... request for next season:

drheaton wrote:
Have a team reset button when doing transfers - Basically be able to reset my own transfers if I realise I've messed up.

enrique wrote:
Yes, please! Or! Being able to make all the changes I want to my team and have transfers charged only at the end of a transfer deadline! Smile...

It's a strange thing, amusing, but cruel, to see folks mess up their teams and have no way to fix it...

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This could happen at any point during the year, but I wonder if it would also make more sense next year, as an option, just for the Classics, to have a really high number of transfers, 64, or 72, which would be 6 transfers between each race... or maybe unlimted?... and that way you'd have a way to mess up and not feel the hurt... Plain Face

It's painful to watch as it is, but also entertaining to observe, in a sad liitle way... Crying I cry sometimes... Crying

Regardless, this will always be true...

starchild wrote:
Big thanks for the game
enrique wrote:
I really wanted to say thanks, too... I've been on this game every day for so long I can't believe it. I'm really addicted to it! Smile Thanks for the high! Smile

enrique wrote:
It's a mighty fun game and I love it! Thanks! Smile

From:
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posted by enrique [2308 posts]
20th March 2015 - 14:28

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backflipbedlem wrote:
I love how much effort goes into your posts...
It's painful, really... It really hurts when I try to make sense out of all the stupidity in my brain... with all my limited brain function, immaturity and schizophrenia coinciding in my brain and competing for attention... Waiting It's not easy, I tell you... Crying

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posted by enrique [2308 posts]
20th March 2015 - 19:25

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enrique wrote:
Dave, just noticed the "Riders in this comp" "All riders" buttons on the 'Rankings' page... Nice! Smile How about two more for "Points Current Competition" and "Points Last 12 months"? Smile
Dave, with a whole lot of us contemplating wholesale chnages to our team and trying to fit in a different set of "fillers" for the Ardennes, it reallly would be nice to see all rider values as opposed to just the ones that are riding just the next stage (in this case Brabantse Pijl). Smile

Could we have the http://fantasy.road.cc/riders page do that for us, like it used to?... Thinking This may be the only competition where we have changing start lists for each stage, of course, but I always thought it was pretty neat to see all rider values, and their total points for the year, at will anyawys. Thank you! Smile

enrique wrote:
... Could we have a sort for riders on the Team Selection page next year based on their total score for the running competition?...
I also thought this was another idea worth considering. It'd be nice to be able to sort, once a competition has started, on the amount of points the rider has within a competition. Smile

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posted by enrique [2308 posts]
14th April 2015 - 14:51

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Dave Atkinson wrote:
... we'll try a quicker fall-off in value for an upcoming race to see how it affects the dynamic....
ouch... not much of that (!) happening in Romandie... Plain Face I'm back to a team with 4 'stars' and 5 3.0 or so riders for this race... Sad What a difference from the team we could pick for the Trentino TTT... I guess the difference is the field for Romandie truly is world class and that means lots of high value riders... Thinking Hmmm... I think I meant to post this on the Romandie thread, not here..

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posted by enrique [2308 posts]
27th April 2015 - 15:35

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Please may I cordially request that the generic jerseys for minor teams are made a bit more colourful? I can't tell whether they are in the race or greyed-out. Thank you.

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posted by Sanderville [307 posts]
13th May 2015 - 14:20

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Dave, would you consider having a box showing how many transfers you have left for the competition on the 'My Team' page so we don't always have to go to the 'Make Transfers' tab to check?...

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posted by enrique [2308 posts]
16th May 2015 - 17:42

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