Game Suggestions

by enrique   January 10, 2013  

Things you may want to ask for.

1. Can you add sortable columns to the 'Rankings' page so you can click on the Rider 'Value' column and have the list sorted by rider value instead of its current sort by points scored?

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Some of the races we don't know the amount of points they are awarding for the mountains (until the race has begun), therefore to set a scoring criteria its fairer to just say 5 down to 1 if 5 riders score for example

posted by TERatcliffe26 [3518 posts]
8th June 2013 - 11:26

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I disagree, I think it works better as it is. In previous seasons the KoM points were closer to those awarded and it skewed the emphasis of the game too far towards picking the break. If a rider can score 50 or 60 points in a break without winning a stage or even finishing top 20 I think it unbalances things.

I also think it makes the game too unpredictable. Unpredictability is good but not to the extent that to get a good score you need to pick half the guys in the break.

Ultimately it's Dave's call how points are awarded next year but I prefer how it's working in the Dauphine as I think its a good balance, picking a guy in the break is good but if you concentrate on high finishing positions then you're not really at a disadvantage. That means there are multiple valid tactics and not everyone is trying to chase the break.

posted by drheaton [3350 posts]
8th June 2013 - 11:35

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Ok fair enough , I just think that unpredictability would add to the tactics , as I mentioned above .
The only point I would add is that in a GT it's easier to make ground by the odd gamble but in a one week race like the dauphine , once you are 100 points down its nigh on impossible to gain that even if you are all out gambling on breakaway points as those in the lead just try to pick safely to maintain the gap so to speak

In racing terms it's like taking the leaders jersey in the first few days and controlling the peleton for the next 5 Wink

Appreciate the various responses though Smile

posted by chiv30 [601 posts]
8th June 2013 - 11:45

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chiv30 wrote:
Just been thinking and not sure if it's been suggested before...

Mountain category points , can't they be changed to reflect the points the riders actually receive in the race rather than the fantasy substituted points? ...

Thinking I thought somebody had asked before and I found it in the "New Stage Scoring Table Feedback and Wish List" thread Smile

nina... wrote:
Out of curiousity, is the new scoring for the TDU reflective of the actual points in the real race? Is that the way points are awarded during the real race?

orli wrote:
I think it'd be fun if the game awarded points exactly as the races do! Smile

Smile ! If it weren't for the different ways different races score them, I'd agree too! Wink

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posted by enrique [1144 posts]
13th June 2013 - 14:55

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On the 'Stages' page, would you put the Stage numbers? Stage 1, Stage 2, Stage 3...

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posted by enrique [1144 posts]
3rd July 2013 - 19:34

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Oh God... He is back....

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posted by STEVESPRO 79 [430 posts]
3rd July 2013 - 19:37

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STEVESPRO 79 wrote:
Oh God... He is back....

Oh God.... So are you! Plain Face

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...arriving home from the pub on a friday evening is not the best time to speak ones mind...

How's the night life? Smile

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posted by enrique [1144 posts]
4th July 2013 - 11:11

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Gkam has just given you some really good advice...Why don't you show a little more maturity and stop aggravating people by digging up past posts and then quoting bits from them....

Friday nights are usually OK....On average I normally spend about six of these...Ever seen one...

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posted by STEVESPRO 79 [430 posts]
4th July 2013 - 11:53

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Now, now. I've had a day of this dealing with my Year 3/4 class. Please don't make me enforce the behaviour policy.

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posted by obutterwick [517 posts]
4th July 2013 - 19:36

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STEVESPRO 79 wrote:
Gkam has just given you some really good advice...

He is helpful, isn't he? Smile Thanks, Gkam! Big Grin

STEVESPRO 79 wrote:
Friday nights are usually OK...

I'm really happy for you, Steve... It warms my heart! Smile Treat yourself to a couple more for me next time around! Smile

Here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0frA_0MjW8

The lyrics remind me of us Crying ...

We used to like and respect each other... remember?...

No? Me neither! Big Grin

Anyways, can I have a hug?... Sad

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posted by enrique [1144 posts]
4th July 2013 - 19:45

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obutterwick wrote:
Now, now. I've had a day of this dealing with my Year 3/4 class. Please don't make me enforce the behaviour policy.

I'll go stand in a corner...

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posted by enrique [1144 posts]
4th July 2013 - 19:46

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STEVESPRO 79 wrote:
... my girlfriend is also a premium user...

Out of curiosity, Steve, is your girlfriend as avid a fan of this game as you are? And do you manage her account or does she make her own choices? What's her user ID? Is she playing the Tour? Is she beating you?...

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posted by enrique [1144 posts]
6th July 2013 - 8:30

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That's quite a lot to ask for and again, not what this game is.

I think you need to understand that this game cannot cater to all tastes and cannot please everyone. It is very successful as it is and there are plenty of alternatives that use different scoring methods.

In the past I've asked for things but have come to realise that each fantasy cycling game covers a different set of people and that no game can suit everyone. That's why at the start of the season I found a season long purist game that I like and started playing that.

Suggesting improvements to the game is fine but asking for a complete overhaul so that this game covers everything you want is going too far.

If you want to play a game with this set of rules then you should try and find one elsewhere or start one yourself (starting a spreadsheet and create a forum somewhere separate from road.cc is all you'd need to do). But I think you should stop asking for this kind of thing because it's clearly not in the best interests of the game to focus development time (which is very limited) on to branching the scoring system out to allow these kind of variations when there is minimal demand for it.

posted by drheaton [3350 posts]
8th July 2013 - 11:18

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DrH, its like banging your head against a brick wall when it comes to him. He will always add these little points in here and there and no amount of "advice" will make him change.

Heaven forbid he manages to find £10 in the next few months and becomes premium Crying

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posted by stumps [2451 posts]
8th July 2013 - 11:28

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I disagree, I think enrique has made some solid suggestions that have made the game better in small ways.

What's great about this game and the forum community is that we get to suggest things and if it's a good suggestion it gets included in the game. I accidentally suggested the premium model and a few other things and these are now part of the game. Other people have suggested things, big and small, that have all helped to make the game what it is. One of the things that I like about this game more than others is the feeling that in some way I contributed to it and that it is mine in some small way. I think that other people feel the same too, especially those who've been around for a while.

Making suggestions is fine, asking for things is fine, the problem comes when your suggestion isn't used or your request isn't incorporated into the game and you don't let go. enrique, you've made some good suggestions and some bad ones. Unfortunately when Dave says no to a bad suggestion or when the forum people don't agree with you, you do not let it go!. This is incredibly frustrating.

All of these suggestions, getting rid of the most combative points, changing other points, having unlimited transfers for non-premium people etc etc are things you've asked for and that have not been approved or followed up on. They're also things that you continue to suggest again and again and again to no avail.

Have you ever heard of the term 'flogging a dead horse'?

These suggestions haven't been ignored, they've been considered fully by those involved and they've decided that they don't fit in with the game or where the guys running it want to take it. That's part of life, you just need to learn to let these suggestions go or, if you want to bring it up again, do it in the end of season thread I usually set up in September/October. That's the time to bring these things up, not weeks after suggesting them.

posted by drheaton [3350 posts]
8th July 2013 - 11:57

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Increase the transfer penalty points to ex. 20. The current 10 points isn't "risky" enough.

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posted by Jonas Lorenzen [46 posts]
8th July 2013 - 12:25

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drheaton wrote:
I disagree, I think enrique has made some solid suggestions that have made the game better in small ways...

Thank you! Smile

drheaton wrote:
What's great about this game... is... we get to suggest things and if it's a good suggestion it gets included in the game...

Yeah! Smile

drheaton wrote:
... I accidentally suggested the premium model... and [now it's]... part of the game...

I hate you. Smile

drheaton wrote:
... One of the things that I like about this game... is the feeling that in some way I contributed to it and that it is mine...

No. It's mine! Smile But, yeah, I feel the same way...

drheaton wrote:
These suggestions haven't been ignored, they've been considered fully by those involved...

I know Sad

drheaton wrote:
That's part of life, you just need to learn to let these suggestions go...

It's hard Crying

Thanks! Smile

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posted by enrique [1144 posts]
8th July 2013 - 12:38

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DrH, sorry mate i should have made myself more clearer:

"Making suggestions is fine, asking for things is fine, the problem comes when your suggestion isn't used or your request isn't incorporated into the game and you don't let go. enrique, you've made some good suggestions and some bad ones. Unfortunately when Dave says no to a bad suggestion or when the forum people don't agree with you, you do not let it go!. This is incredibly frustrating."

Thats what i meant. No disrespect to Enrique he HAS made some good points its the flogging the dead horse bit i was on about.

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posted by stumps [2451 posts]
8th July 2013 - 13:13

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Sadly I cannot sit on the fence in this debate.... For fantasy cycling purposes I wish that Enrique did not exist... Endless non-sensical drivel repeated, repeated and then just for good cause repeated..
No doubt I will now get re-quoted, mis-quoted and have a pathetic snippit of a song attached....

I would just love a premium forum where the cyber stalker could not find me...

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posted by STEVESPRO 79 [430 posts]
8th July 2013 - 13:33

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STEVESPRO 79 wrote:
...Sadly I cannot sit on the fence... No doubt I will now get re-quoted, mis-quoted and have a pathetic snippit of a song attached....

Sadly, You know me too well...

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By the way

STEVESPRO 79 wrote:
... my girlfriend is also a premium user...

How have I ever misquoted you?

And I'm still curious...

enrique wrote:
... is your girlfriend as avid a fan of this game as you are? And do you manage her account or does she make her own choices? What's her user ID? Is she playing the Tour? Is she beating you?...

Notwithstanding all the blabber above I do realize you are so much more of a better game player and person than I am and that I have serious issues...

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posted by enrique [1144 posts]
8th July 2013 - 14:55

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enrique wrote:
Fatty, out of curiousity, if the game switched to just finish line points, would you stick around? Smile

enrique wrote:
Sometimes I get frustrated... I wish there was a game level, like the Purist leagues, where one could just pick the top 9 finishers, no budget constraints, no Star Rider/Domestique restrictions, no transfer limitations... Smile

Dave, in your spare time could you cook up a spare page or two for a game with the same layout and (beautiful!) design the main game page has where you could play with no GC points, no PC points, no KM points, no Young Rider points, no breakaway points, no intermediate sprint points, etc... With unlimited transfers and an unlimited budget which just counted Finish Line Points, call it the Roadcc Lite Fantasy game and let us play that (?) for free? Smile I was inspired by this:

thefatcyclist wrote:
Hi guys, just a note to say i've abandoned the fantasy game. I... decided I can't do this anymore... 3. I have not gotten to grips with the key on a daily basis, picking the winner is now secondary to picking the breakaway guys.... So today is my last day, and i'm asking Dave to remove me from the game, because I can't bear to see me drop like a stone till season end. Unless i'm on page 1 no good for me...

And, of course, by my unquestionably ridiculous love of all things free, unlimited, unexpiring transfers and my obsession with this game! Thanks! Smile

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posted by enrique [1144 posts]
8th July 2013 - 14:58

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enrique wrote:
Thank you! Smile

Yeah! Smile

I hate you. Smile

No. It's mine! Smile But, yeah, I feel the same way...

I know Sad

It's hard Crying

Thanks! Smile

Genius. Smile

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8th July 2013 - 18:18

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Genius. Smile

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posted by enrique [1144 posts]
8th July 2013 - 18:40

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The number of sprint victories I get has disappeared from my dashboard twice in the past week, could you look into this please?

Thanks

posted by northstar [946 posts]
9th July 2013 - 20:50

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northstar wrote:
The number of sprint victories I get has disappeared from my dashboard twice in the past week, could you look into this please?

Thanks

sure. have you got loads?

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posted by Dave Atkinson [7044 posts]
9th July 2013 - 20:54

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aha! you have 52 and i think i only did the numbers up to 50 Smile

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posted by Dave Atkinson [7044 posts]
9th July 2013 - 20:56

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Ah that would explain it, thanks : )

posted by northstar [946 posts]
9th July 2013 - 21:02

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enrique wrote:
Dave, in your spare time could you...

enrique wrote:
... put the Stage numbers [on the 'Stages' page]? Stage 1, Stage 2, Stage 3...

Help me, please! I get lost, I have to see the town where the stage started or finished to get my bearings straight every time I want to see the rider scores each day, I'm old and confused! Please! Put the Stage numbers in there, for the love of God, please! Crying

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posted by enrique [1144 posts]
10th July 2013 - 15:26

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northstar wrote:
Ah that would explain it, thanks : )

That's a rather convuluted way of letting us know how many sprint badges you've got northstar LOL

posted by ray silvester [1522 posts]
11th July 2013 - 11:16

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I know it's been suggested before, but could we have a 'Clear All Riders' button right beside the 'Reset These Transfers' button on the team rider selection page? It would be pretty cool especially now during the Classics, since we have unlimited transfers. Thanks! Smile

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posted by enrique [1144 posts]
4th March 2014 - 20:58

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