Shimano vs. campagnolo

by bicicleta   November 27, 2012  

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What is better Shimano or Campagnolo? What do you think?

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Raleigh wrote:
There is only one answer to this question.

SRAM.

I'd second this. Having used all three SRAM gets my vote these days. But of course it's just an opinion & we're all entitled to them, no matter how wrong they are Smile

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posted by Coodsta [95 posts]
27th November 2012 - 20:13

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But is there such a thing as a wrong opinion?

Sir Velo

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posted by Raleigh [1728 posts]
27th November 2012 - 20:22

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Well as much as I prefer SRAM, I've hardly had any of their parts of the years.

The is no wrong opinion though. Its like whether you drink tea or coffee. Nothing wrong with either, people like different things. With all being are the same kinda cost these days, its up to personal preferences

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posted by Gkam84 [8825 posts]
27th November 2012 - 22:47

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Who cares, as long as helmets are made a legal requirement?

Downhill bikes don't make you cool.

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posted by charliemac74 [168 posts]
28th November 2012 - 1:20

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Campag have a nicer looking logo. (An important distinction when considering a tattoo).

posted by The Rumpo Kid [590 posts]
28th November 2012 - 14:48

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I've been told that Campy lasts longer because it is better made. However, that doesn't sound much of an advantage if it's more likely to go wrong. Confused

posted by londonplayer [671 posts]
28th November 2012 - 16:14

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roughwaters99 wrote:
Shimano is like driving a Honda Civic. Great quality and it will go on and on but when has anyone felt passionate about a Honda Civic? Campag is a Maserati: yes it'll probably go wrong at some point but it's fantastic until it does.
A simple choice between reliable conformity or soul....

Comparing Shimano to Honda insults Honda. When a Honda needs maintenance it can be repaired. You throw Shimano away. Indeed, this years Shimano often does not even work with last year's stuff so you have to replace everything. A better comparison would be that Shimano is Yugo if Yugo had a better reliability record

Campagnolo parts last far longer. You can argue about ergonomics and which shifting you prefer (Vague & mushy but requiring less strength or more positive and tactile but requiring a slightly longer throw) but Campagnolo is simply better quality stuff. It almost never wears out and is repairable after an accident.

Shimano is also over priced. I mean really really, it is made in China or Malaysia where the labor cost is practically nil. Why does Dura Ace cost as much a Super Record given the higher production cost in Italy?

I think Campagnolo has real problems with marketing their products but not in the design and manufacture of their products

posted by Fai Mao [1 posts]
13th February 2013 - 7:13

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Its an age old debateand I'm probably not adding much here, but..

Its 2013 and I'm still riding on 2009 veloce. Approx 2500 miles pa. One bb replacement so far. i have on several occasions borrowed the girlfriends 105 equipped bike, where shifting is clunky in comparison, campag much more about feel, is lighter, way more comfortable on the hoods and slightly cheaper

Both need about the same amount of maintenance (10s) and appear to have the same reliability

Know which id rather have

Campag all the way!

posted by 700c [556 posts]
13th February 2013 - 13:47

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roughwaters99 wrote:

Campagnolo parts last far longer. You can argue about ergonomics and which shifting you prefer (Vague & mushy but requiring less strength or more positive and tactile but requiring a slightly longer throw) but Campagnolo is simply better quality stuff. It almost never wears out and is repairable after an accident.

Shimano is also over priced. I mean really really, it is made in China or Malaysia where the labor cost is practically nil. Why does Dura Ace cost as much a Super Record given the higher production cost in Italy?

1. Dura ace is the same price if not a bit cheaper than Super Record if you shop around. What about the price difference between DI2 and EPS ?

2. Most if not all Campagnolo compononets are made in Romania now. All that happens in Italy is that the part have either very light finishing work, or just packaged into boxes

3. Shimano stuff is replaceable, however many people just cba to source the spare parts.

posted by gazer117 [25 posts]
14th February 2013 - 12:26

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700c wrote:
...campag much more about feel, is lighter, way more comfortable on the hoods and slightly cheaper

Campag all the way!

I've nothing against Campag, I built my first bike with it years ago, but:

Shimano Ultegra 2012
£625-650
2441 grams

Campag Chorus
£889
2096 grams

SRAM Force
£660
2013 grams

This assumes that you aren't putting Record against the others, which will obviously push the campag cost up further.

Last night I would have considered trading a very loud baby for a really nice bike.

posted by notfastenough [3108 posts]
14th February 2013 - 14:21

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Point taken about cost and weight at the higher end, I was specifically referring to the veloce v 105 comparison and my experience with them. I haven't ridden anything else so can't really comment..

posted by 700c [556 posts]
14th February 2013 - 20:46

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CAMPAG! the rest are just making up the numbers. and no dont disagree with me. just accept im right.

campag campag campag etc

posted by russyparkin [579 posts]
19th February 2013 - 21:48

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I despise the throwaway anature of shimano. Its so wrong especially in sport that likes to spout its green credentials.
Stripping Ergos is easy, STi, not a hope.Still using my 8 speed Record ergos. without any maintainence since I bought them used in '91. On my CX bike.

posted by mattsccm [248 posts]
19th February 2013 - 22:27

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mattsccm wrote:
I despise the throwaway anature of shimano. Its so wrong especially in sport that likes to spout its green credentials.
Stripping Ergos is easy, STi, not a hope.Still using my 8 speed Record ergos. without any maintainence since I bought them used in '91. On my CX bike.

Fair dos, but my winter bike is still on the original 105 STIs since 2006 without any problems. The shifting is just as good as new.

And it's only the shifters that aren't repairable.

A bloke at work has just bought some new cones for his Campag wheels. Over £60. Sometimes repairability is a liability.

posted by Chris James [182 posts]
20th February 2013 - 10:32

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Russyparkin (Yogi)
You are soooooo wrong it has to be Shimano, there is a reason most of the pro teams run it!
It's reliable, quality shifting, need less maintenance than sram and Campag which are both chaf and nasty!!!

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posted by bikemadjo [47 posts]
20th February 2013 - 14:55

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"there is a reason most of the pro teams run it!"

Yes, they get paid to use it, that's why most teams run shimano

posted by Jkefunk [1 posts]
18th August 2014 - 9:51

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That's true enough, but there's bugger all difference, really, between the big three. Go with what you like.

posted by bashthebox [639 posts]
18th August 2014 - 9:57

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Shimano has trickled down the more ergonomic style of shifter to Claris (which is 3 levels below 105) and yet even Super Record EPS still has thumb shifters. Does anyone actually prefer that?

posted by deblemund [89 posts]
18th August 2014 - 10:15

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yes, I do .... much nicer feel ... but that's my opinion Smile

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posted by therevokid [698 posts]
18th August 2014 - 10:19

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I never liked the fact that the Shimano brake lever moves laterally. I understand that is not the case with Di2. But I'll have to get over the mental hurdle of plugging a push bike into the mains first before I can try that.

posted by truffy [235 posts]
18th August 2014 - 10:26

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roughwaters99 wrote:
Shimano is like driving a Honda Civic. Great quality and it will go on and on but when has anyone felt passionate about a Honda Civic? Campag is a Maserati: yes it'll probably go wrong at some point but it's fantastic until it does.
A simple choice between reliable conformity or soul....

I don't get passionate about a load of sprockets and springs, and I'm a mechanical engineer!

I think you need to get out a bit more...

posted by Chris James [182 posts]
18th August 2014 - 10:31

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I wasn't planning on a tattoo anyway but I do get a pang of regret that I can't wear a cap or t-shirt with a Campag logo on it without feeling like a fraud. The Shimano version really doesn't compare. Oooh, but thanks to Mr Google, I've just found one that SAYS "Shimano" but in "Campag" style script. How about that for geek chic! #Iwantone

posted by deblemund [89 posts]
18th August 2014 - 11:13

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I'm running Shimano Ultegra 6800 this year, and I have to say I am mighty impressed by it.

The teams equipment selection choice was hilarious this year... do we use Dura Ace or Ultegra Di2. Most riders were happy with either, and accordingly, if people didn't mind Ultegra Di2 then they'll be fine with mechanical Ultegra... Darn it!

Right though, its good stuff.

The 11speed shimano is so much better than the previous 10speed systems and for me has put Shimano back on top.

Looking at Crank designs, calliper designs and front mech designs they are ahead of Campagnolo offerings.

SRAM's brake calipers are really good as well... where as Campagnolo calipers are simply the same design as they were using 10 years ago.

Campagnolo's lever designs are the most comfy, although I quite ironically find their shifting a bit plastic these days... Campagnolo are definitely third here IMO.

Campagnolo have updated their front mech design to bring it in line with Shimano... which they had to do as Shimano's shift is/was so much better than Campagnolos. This leaves SRAM trailing.

What have Campagnolo done with the rear mech? At least they are trying, no one else has developed anything new for a while now.

Not sure about the new Campagolo 4 arm cranks... I think they are ugly. To me it looks like they are acknowledging that Shimano have got it right, but by forcing the use of carbon into the cranks, it makes for a pretty industrial and not at all pretty crank. Which I hope they change before hitting the shops.

Their previous/current cranks are beautiful to look at but hardly the most hard wearing (bearings) or indeed stiff. Again, Shimano has been leading here.

Objectively speaking, if day to day performance is your bag, then Shimano 6800 is the privateers choice (IMO)... if you re looking for something that will last well (although I have no qualms about the Shimano 6800's longevity), is beautiful to look at and feels lovely to use, then Campagnolo Chorus is a great bet... A bit more cash, but lighter.

If you are simply looking for the least weight, then go for Force... although in my experience it is the least well put together of the three...

If money was not a factor, my emotional choice would be Campagnolo EPS Super Record.

posted by Jimmy Ray Will [269 posts]
18th August 2014 - 11:55

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Shimano is better, because it's on my bike right now, thus I can use it right now.

Other than that, who cares, it's a sodding lever.

posted by nuclear coffee [148 posts]
18th August 2014 - 12:08

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can't stand the shape of Shimano levers, as for SRAM, over priced cheese!

that leaves Campag.

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posted by mrmo [1074 posts]
18th August 2014 - 12:48

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Will never have sram, as the only thing you can guarantee is that is will break, quickly!

Use both campag and shimano, both really very good and happy to ride either!

posted by TheDoctor [78 posts]
18th August 2014 - 13:00

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SRAM does have the repuation ( on road kit) of wearing out, I know a few people who will never use it again, I have no experience myself though.

Campag do actually make extensive spares available, the few that Shimano do are usually virtually unobtainable. I see the tears regularly with broken Shimano shifters, if it's not the blade or cable, it goes in the bin.

If you are in the game for the long haul and you do your own repairs, it's Campag all the way.

All 3, of course, work very well, in their own different ways. Ergopower isn't going to lose the thumb button, as it's part of their ergo concept that separates the motor functions of your hand .....if they ditched that, it's a bit embarrassing !

Dura Ace is a Skyline, Record is a Ferrari, very similar, but even though one is higher maintenance.....there are still more on the road than have been scrapped.

A look at one bike here, Record hubs....circa 1988, Record Gruppo, circa 1993, Athena chainset, circa 99, I have lots of old campag hubs from the 60's and 70's, still going strong and lots of shops still have parts on the shelf.

In my own opinion, the kit that got closest to campag for quality was sun tour, they're long gone now though, the brand being owned by someone else churning out cheap rubbish.

All Campag

posted by Flying Scot [529 posts]
18th August 2014 - 18:48

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Gkam84 wrote:

But then SRAM came to the party and with them now building in Germany I will compare them to a top class Mercedes and typically reliable like German manufacturing is

Surely with the constant recalls SRAM is more like the Toyota of groupsets?

posted by giobox [276 posts]
18th August 2014 - 19:12

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How can you expect to put people on a 4th tier electronic groupset, followed by a top tier mechanical from a rival brand and expect any sort of comparison? This whole situation will create more questions than it answers.

posted by Nick T [805 posts]
18th August 2014 - 19:38

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You do all know this is a 4 year old thread and I understand no one died during the comparison

All Campag

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18th August 2014 - 20:50

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