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Whilst its still a week away from the TT just wondering what peoples thoughts are about the races and can Cav defend his road race title  39

Its a big ask but you never know !

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drheaton [3318 posts] 3 years ago
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In a word... 'Probably not'.

I expect the Aussies, French and Spanish in particular to push the pace and break as many sprinters as they can (including Boonen) before the summit of the final climb.

Nobody really expects a sprint finish and very few 'proper sprinters' are likely to make it to one anyway so I don't think that'll be Plan A for many countries.

What I'd like to know is, is the 4/5 split going to be in place because I'd quite like to pick about 6 stars for this race.

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AWPeleton [3267 posts] 3 years ago
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Checked the route profile and your probably right. Looks like a good old Gilbert / Boonen / Gerrans type of route but any sprinters still there at the last 2km will fancy their chances.

If you look at the official site it has the profile and climbs 5 + 6, although not steep are long enough to shell a few out of the back if the hammer goes down, personally i think thats where it will be lost by the sprinters.

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livestrongnick [2118 posts] 3 years ago
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No not this year  19

Already decided that i more than likely won't be picking out and out sprinters, just all the punchy all rounders.  3

As for the 4/5 split, i hope so too, especially when it comes to the TT  1

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TERatcliffe26 [4586 posts] 3 years ago
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For the TT my orginal draft involves taking a risk

Ive left out Martin basically in favour of having what could/should be much stronger set of DS's, especially with an apparant lack of form and the hilly nature of the course

Anyone else thinking this?

As for the road race im thinking of either of these combos  39 Gilbert/valverde or Boonen/Rodriguez

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drheaton [3318 posts] 3 years ago
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I was thinking Rodriguez but not sure it's a long enough last climb for him to not be out muscled at the finish by a Gilbert type ride.

I'd like to pick a combo maybe 5 or 6 'cheap' (15-30 credits) stars then fill in the blanks with in-form DSs. If it's 4/5 then I'll probably end up picking a Gilbert or Rodriguez cost rider just to use up my credits.

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silas chime [189 posts] 3 years ago
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Isn't the last climb cobbles?

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James Warrener [1081 posts] 3 years ago
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Dont think so...

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Debarrio [78 posts] 3 years ago
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No, definitely not. Not that much cobbles left in Holland...

Anyway, not sure if this works, but here is where they finish (it's about 1,200 mtr further up the road from the Amstel Gold Race's finish line):

http://maps.google.nl/?ll=50.856893,5.815115&spn=0.012733,0.077162&t=m&z...

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leortp [66 posts] 3 years ago
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so there are no team trial points awarded?

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drheaton [3318 posts] 3 years ago
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The TTT would be a separate event and it's not listed under the 'stages' page so I assume the fantasy game won't be running for that. Of course, it could still be added...

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dave atkinson [6201 posts] 3 years ago
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yeah, it could if people want it.

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drheaton [3318 posts] 3 years ago
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I'm not overly fussed to be honest, can't see how it'd be that interesting, especially under the usual TTT rules. Lots of teams with two lots of 10 points, two lots of 9 points etc etc plus with it not being part of a larger race there'd be no GC points or anything else. Pretty dull fantasy wise.

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Gkam84 [9080 posts] 3 years ago
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Yeah the TTT is for trade teams and its not going to be interesting or worthwhile putting into the game

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enrique [2331 posts] 3 years ago
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How about we run it here on the forum? Just choose 9 teams, not riders, you get 10 points for 1st, 9 for 2nd, etc...?

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drheaton [3318 posts] 3 years ago
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Are there more than 9 teams competing? Not really looked into it, still think its a cop out on behalf of the UCI to let trade teams in so they can get their sponsors on show. Why not just run the road race in trade teams too? Total cop out by a weak governing body scared of the trade teams and their threats to break away.

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Gkam84 [9080 posts] 3 years ago
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I don't think its a cope out by the UCI. How many national teams would put in a team for the time trial?

Th UK might at a push be able. But then it would be detrimental to the RR. The smaller nation's would be at a massive disadvantage. If they could even muster a team.

Look at someone like Peter Sagan. He might be a world champion one day. He's not really a TT guy....YET. That might come. But there is only him and his brother really. Thats not to say there are not others who could make up a team. But not to that standard.

Where are running it as trade teams. They are going to put in strong teams just for the fact its something to win and secondly to please sponsors. Finally, it might be some of their riders only chance.  3

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enrique [2331 posts] 3 years ago
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Gkam84 wrote:

How many national teams would put in a team for the time trial?

Hell, I'd be ok with them doing 2 man teams!

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Gkam84 [9080 posts] 3 years ago
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Under UCI TTT rules, for the world champs they would need 5 or 6 riders.

Quote:

TEAM TIME TRIAL:

The principle is the same as for the individual time trial but this event is raced by teams of a minimum of 2 riders and a maximum of 10 riders.
The team time trial will be on the programme at the UCI Road World Championships as from 2012, (5 to 6 riders per team). All the UCI Teams will be able to participate (UCI ProTeams, UCI Professional Continental Teams, UCI Continental Teams, UCI Women’s Teams).

I think this is why most TTT's if any are at the start of any stage race, To make sure there are enough riders for the "normal" 5th man over the line time set up.

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AWPeleton [3267 posts] 3 years ago
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Money - thats what the TTT is all about. My tip for the road race is Nordhaug. Going to put £20.00 on him at the bookies.

Hmm better check he is racing first though.

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enrique [2331 posts] 3 years ago
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Gkam84 wrote:

To make sure there are enough riders for the "normal" 5th man over the line time set up.

You know, if it was up to me there'd be no 5th man 'over-the-line' rule. It would be every man gets the time over the line. If Cancellara wants to power his away alone at the end of a TTT, let him!  1

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AWPeleton [3267 posts] 3 years ago
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enrique wrote:
Gkam84 wrote:

To make sure there are enough riders for the "normal" 5th man over the line time set up.

You know, if it was up to me there'd be no 5th man 'over-the-line' rule. It would be every man gets the time over the line. If Cancellara wants to power his away alone at the end of a TTT, let him!  1

It's not really a Team TT then though, its more of a pace your best rider and then drop off to let him get the best time. Start as a team, end as a team in my opinion.

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Gkam84 [9080 posts] 3 years ago
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Yeah you might aswell just have the individual TT and then add their times together.....

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AWPeleton [3267 posts] 3 years ago
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Gkam84 wrote:

Under UCI TTT rules, for the world champs they would need 5 or 6 riders.

Quote:

TEAM TIME TRIAL:

The principle is the same as for the individual time trial but this event is raced by teams of a minimum of 2 riders and a maximum of 10 riders.
The team time trial will be on the programme at the UCI Road World Championships as from 2012, (5 to 6 riders per team). All the UCI Teams will be able to participate (UCI ProTeams, UCI Professional Continental Teams, UCI Continental Teams, UCI Women’s Teams).

I think this is why most TTT's if any are at the start of any stage race, To make sure there are enough riders for the "normal" 5th man over the line time set up.

Some countries would only be able to have one person in their team, it's a good job Raleigh's not on at the mo, could you imagine having 5 or 6 Mehdi Sohrabi's, he would explode with joy  24

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Gkam84 [9080 posts] 3 years ago
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Raleigh wrote:

Mehdi Sohrabi would not need a team. He is a team within one body. He embraces team spirit as a concept and accepts that every individual bone is part of his team. Going well above the 10 riders limit. He removed all bones from his body leaving as follows.

1 finger bone for gear changing
2 feet without toes or connection to ankle to power pedals
1 pelvis to balance on the saddle
1 ear bone thingy to hear his own voice and Jens Voigt's thoughts
2 shoulders for aerodynamics

Everything else has been replaced by titanium rods for weight saving with carbon joints.

I was just hit by some sort of psychic fit in which he spoke to me......

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AWPeleton [3267 posts] 3 years ago
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Ha, class mate  4

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enrique [2331 posts] 3 years ago
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stumps wrote:

... its more of a pace your best rider and then drop off to let him get the best time. Start as a team, end as a team in my opinion.

I'd be ok with that... If your aim is the GC, do that!.... If your aim is the Team Standings, then you can all arive together!... I just wish the teams would ahev the discretion, so that Cancellara or Evans wouldn't be at the mercy of the 5th man over the line rule if they wanted to get the yeloow jersey in a Tour sooner, rather than later....

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TERatcliffe26 [4586 posts] 3 years ago
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enrique wrote:
stumps wrote:

... its more of a pace your best rider and then drop off to let him get the best time. Start as a team, end as a team in my opinion.

I'd be ok with that... If your aim is the GC, do that!.... If your aim is the Team Standings, then you can all arive together!... I just wish the teams would ahev the discretion, so that Cancellara or Evans wouldn't be at the mercy of the 5th man over the line rule if they wanted to get the yeloow jersey in a Tour sooner, rather than later....

I disagree, Its a team time trial for the a reason, so your best rider shouldnt be allowed to go off, its tough if the rest of the team is not up to scratch. In fact i think it should be all 9 men to cross the line not just 5 (unless they retire from the race on that stage)

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TERatcliffe26 [4586 posts] 3 years ago
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Just did a trial of my prospected stars to see how many credits i would have left for DS's, thought I had it sorted....however I completely forgot about Sagan  39

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ray silvester [1836 posts] 3 years ago
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Froome out of the ITT

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livestrongnick [2118 posts] 3 years ago
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ray silvester wrote:

Froome out of the ITT

Just seen it on twitter.......time for a re-think  39

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