Vuelta stage 16

by chrisdstripes   September 3, 2012  

Afternoon all! They're 30km in, 2 of my guys already tried to get away but its back together at the mo I think.

I just swapped Seeldraeyers for Henao - couldn't cope if I dropped anyone else and they got in a break...

J-Rod
Valverde
Contador
Henao
Bouet
Sarmiento
De La Fuente
Astarloza
Machado

70 user comments

Latest 30 commentsNewest firstBest ratedAll

3,4,5,6,9,18,19 plus Clarke. Not a bad day, but my guess is quite players a few may also of had a "not a bad day". Thinking

SounDaz_7's picture

posted by SounDaz_7 [48 posts]
3rd September 2012 - 16:57

like this
Like (1)

Ter, once the scores are out, combine your transfer and purist. I bet we are pretty close that way Devil

Gkam84's picture

posted by Gkam84 [8699 posts]
3rd September 2012 - 16:58

like this
Like (1)

3,4,5,6,8,9,16 + Clarke.....

stevespro

STEVESPRO 79's picture

posted by STEVESPRO 79 [481 posts]
3rd September 2012 - 17:06

like this
Like (1)

Are we playing 'fantasy team snap'?

The winning team will have de Gendt, Valverde, Contador, Rodriguez , Quintana and Cataldo, the rest won't really matter. At least one team should have those.

posted by drheaton [3429 posts]
3rd September 2012 - 17:10

like this
Like (1)

I'm not sure that a team could be made with Cataldo in it. Rodriguez, Contador, Valverde, and De Gendt combine to cost 125.5 points. Cataldo costs 15.4, so that leaves precious little to spend on 4 more domestiques.

Anyway, my team was De Gendt, Rodriguez, Contador, Valverde, Quintana, Talansky, Marczyinski, Simon Clarke and Winner Anacona. 229 points by my count and I'm calling it a win unless someone has the exact same team.

posted by widgetkicker [31 posts]
3rd September 2012 - 17:18

like this
Like (1)

2,3,4,5,6,8,16,19+Clarke. Just no Cataldo - surely there won't be many that have Cataldo?!

posted by cherrypicked [154 posts]
3rd September 2012 - 17:23

like this
Like (1)

widgetkicker wrote:
unless someone has the exact same team.

cherrypicked wrote:
2,3,4,5,6,8,16,19+Clarke

I just totally jinxed myself on that one didn't I? Time to start looking up the tiebreakers.

posted by widgetkicker [31 posts]
3rd September 2012 - 17:26

like this
Like (1)

widgetkicker wrote:
Anyway, my team was De Gendt, Rodriguez, Contador, Valverde, Quintana, Talansky, Marczyinski, Simon Clarke and Winner Anacona. 229 points by my count and I'm calling it a win unless someone has the exact same team.

Yep, I have same team!

posted by cherrypicked [154 posts]
3rd September 2012 - 17:28

like this
Like (1)

widgetkicker wrote:
I'm not sure that a team could be made with Cataldo in it. Rodriguez, Contador, Valverde, and De Gendt combine to cost 125.5 points. Cataldo costs 15.4, so that leaves precious little to spend on 4 more domestiques.

Anyway, my team was De Gendt, Rodriguez, Contador, Valverde, Quintana, Talansky, Marczyinski, Simon Clarke and Winner Anacona. 229 points by my count and I'm calling it a win unless someone has the exact same team.

That should win just, but does a combination of Valverde and Contador outscore 7 points from froome in the GC + Cataldo, dont forget cataldo got 10 points for most combative too. Its gonna be tight but we shall see. ( the thing that will save you is the fact the finish line climb points dont count otherwise im certain cataldo would score enough)

forgot you had clarke too, you will win

posted by TERatcliffe26 [3786 posts]
3rd September 2012 - 17:31

like this
Like (1)

Widgetkicker and cherrypicked - looks like we may have it for top spot today barring a strange Cataldo team - same team for me as well. I'm curious to see how far up the overall table I get vaulted. de Gendt has been my hero this season - his exploits on the stelvio won me the bike during the Giro, and now this!

Rob Cairns

posted by robacairns [18 posts]
3rd September 2012 - 17:33

like this
Like (1)

226 i make it for my purist team Sad told you it would be close

posted by TERatcliffe26 [3786 posts]
3rd September 2012 - 17:38

like this
Like (1)

Combative doesn't score in the Vuelta Wink

Gkam84's picture

posted by Gkam84 [8699 posts]
3rd September 2012 - 17:38

like this
Like (1)

robacairns wrote:
I'm curious to see how far up the overall table I get vaulted.

Looks like you'll be in the top few

posted by cherrypicked [154 posts]
3rd September 2012 - 17:40

like this
Like (1)

De Gendt would rather win the queen stage than have to work for three weeks and finish 8th-ish on gc, and I'm fairly certain that he tanks the opening week of a grand tour to make sure that he'll be far enough down to be allowed into a breakaway on a day like today and the Stelvio stage. I had him pegged to win today, and was just a little surprised that he couldn't beat Cataldo at the end.

posted by widgetkicker [31 posts]
3rd September 2012 - 17:41

like this
Like (1)

widgetkicker wrote:
De Gendt would rather win the queen stage than have to work for three weeks and finish 8th-ish on gc, and I'm fairly certain that he tanks the opening week of a grand tour to make sure that he'll be far enough down to be allowed into a breakaway on a day like today and the Stelvio stage. I had him pegged to win today, and was just a little surprised that he couldn't beat Cataldo at the end.

REALLY? So 3rd Overall Giro d'Italia this year is tanking and not working??? Devil

Gkam84's picture

posted by Gkam84 [8699 posts]
3rd September 2012 - 17:42

like this
Like (1)

Gkam84 wrote:
Combative doesn't score in the Vuelta Wink

why not? thats abit rubbish, knock 10 off my score then

posted by TERatcliffe26 [3786 posts]
3rd September 2012 - 17:46

like this
Like (1)

De Gendt went into stage 20 of the Giro in 8th almost six minutes down and made up five minutes and five places in the last two stages. He probably wouldn't have been allowed the opportunity to break away on that Stelvio stage if he had been placed any higher at the start.

posted by widgetkicker [31 posts]
3rd September 2012 - 17:51

like this
Like (1)

For anyone who's interested (from the official regs) :-

Quote:
1. OVERALL TIME CLASSIFICATION.
This is obtained from the sum of the times recorded by each
rider for each stage, applying the corresponding bonuses and
penalties, with the best placed rider being the one with the
lowest total time.
In the case of a tie between two or more riders, the
hundredths of a second in the individual time trial stages
shall be applied, with the winner being the rider with the
lowest total hundredths of a second. If the result is still tied
or if there are no individual time trial stages the placing
obtained in each stage shall be added and, as a last resort,
the place obtained in the last stage ridden shall be taken
into consideration.

Quote:
2. OVERALL POINTS CLASSIFICATION.
This is obtained from the sum of the points earned by each
rider in each stage and in all of the intermediate sprints
(except the first stage. – TTT). If there is a tie in the total
number of points, each of the riders in the tie shall be
awarded the points corresponding to the starting position.
Stage Points:
1º 25 points 9º 7 points
2º 20 points 10º 6 points
3º 16 points 11º 5 points
4º 14 points 12º 4 points
5º 12 points 13º 3 points
6º 10 points 14º 2 points
7º 9 points 15º 1 point
8º 8 points
Intermediate Sprints:
1º 4 points
2º 2 points
3º 1 point
The top classification shall go to the rider with the best
score after applying any penalties pursuant to the scale of
penalties established in the UCI Regulations. Pursuant to
article 2.6.017 of the said Regulations, In the event of a tie
in the Overall Points Standing, the following criteria shall be
applied in order until the riders are separated:
• Number of stage wins.
• Number of wins in intermediate sprints counting for the
Overall Points Standing.
• Overall Standing on Time.

Quote:
3. Overall climber classification.
This is obtained from the sum of the points earned by each
rider on the applicable climbs. The rider with the most points
receives the top classification. In the event of a tie, the
winner shall be the rider with the first place in the “Cima
Alberto Fernandez”. If there is still a draw, the number of
first places in the high-climb finished will be applied, and,
if necessary, the number of first places on climbs in the next
inferior category and so on.
If the tie still persists, the Overall Standing on Time will
apply.

posted by simon F [978 posts]
3rd September 2012 - 18:01

like this
Like (1)

He didn't "Break away" as a classic break would. He attacked with around 35-40km to go. Pulling back around 3.20 minutes on then leader J-Rod and 3.30 on eventual winner Hesjedal.

The final stage, stage 21 was and ITT where De Gendt only beat Hesjedal by 8 seconds but Scarponi lost a shed load which boosted him into 3rd. Wink

Gkam84's picture

posted by Gkam84 [8699 posts]
3rd September 2012 - 18:02

like this
Like (1)

That's interesting simon, but these are the tiebreakers I was thinking of:

In the event of a tie, the following criteria, where applicable, will be used to determine the winner:
Highest single stage score posted within a competition
Most scoring riders on a stage
Highest scoring individual on a stage
Fewest transfers used within a competition
Coin toss

posted by widgetkicker [31 posts]
3rd September 2012 - 18:09

like this
Like (1)

And you're right gkam, now that I look at it I see that my memory of the Giro was skewed a little. But it led to me picking De Gendt today, so I'm not complaining.

posted by widgetkicker [31 posts]
3rd September 2012 - 18:12

like this
Like (1)

There is nothing to win for a stage victory in the Vuelta. So a draw is a draw Devil

Gkam84's picture

posted by Gkam84 [8699 posts]
3rd September 2012 - 18:12

like this
Like (1)

widgetkicker wrote:
That's interesting simon, but these are the tiebreakers I was thinking of:

Fair enough but I was more responding to

gkam84 wrote:
Well If De Gendt win's he'll be level. But I don't know how they will work it out. Maybe whoever has lost the least time?

I was going to do the ones you were interested in later, but you beat me to it.

posted by simon F [978 posts]
3rd September 2012 - 18:52

like this
Like (1)

Well big bag of FAIL for me today Crying
Put Moncoutie(6 points) in for Valverde(34 points)
put Marczynski(5 points) in for Talansky(18 points)

Why, why, why, why don't i ignore myself Angry

Plus didn't think Quintana would be up either! Rolling On The Floor Loser

'Don't look back. Something might be gaining on you'

livestrongnick's picture

posted by livestrongnick [1706 posts]
3rd September 2012 - 19:08

like this
Like (1)

I'm going to call this a POOR day for me.

I scored 153 with only one rider not scoring. Which on any other day would be alright.

Then I looked at my purist team. 156 with only 4 riders scoring Devil

Gkam84's picture

posted by Gkam84 [8699 posts]
3rd September 2012 - 20:25

like this
Like (1)

Your having a laugh GKam. I've got a -15 thats a poor day.I've got 163 today my second highest score and I was delighted to be two hundred and twentieth. Big Grin

posted by thefatcyclist [584 posts]
3rd September 2012 - 20:39

like this
Like (1)

164 today but more importantly a 135 on my purist team to take me back to the top of the standings Big Grin happy days!

posted by drheaton [3429 posts]
3rd September 2012 - 20:42

like this
Like (1)

216 for my purist team with 6 scorers

159 for my main team with 7 scorers

posted by TERatcliffe26 [3786 posts]
3rd September 2012 - 20:44

like this
Like (1)

The only reason I said it was a poor day. After 2 and a bit weeks. My purist team which I picked before the race is outscoring my transfer team which I am changing out every day Devil

I still have a list of 3 teams. My purist team, The team I started transfers with and the "if I had another account" team. At the end of the Vuelta, I'll be working out where I went wrong Nerd

Gkam84's picture

posted by Gkam84 [8699 posts]
3rd September 2012 - 22:50

like this
Like (1)

I know where I went wrong, the wrong DS picks at the start plus the cost of the extra transfers to fix it is what's cost me really. If I'd started with Talansky, Meersman, Quintana, Bouhanni and Marczynski I'd be fighting for top spot but I picked De Weert and Da Fluente instead of Meersman and Talansky which cost me maybe 120 points early on plus 40 in penalty transfers.

What's most annoying is that I made the right picks on my purist team which is why I'm doing well.

One of the hardest things about this game is trying to change DSs when the terrain keeps changing, in the first week where I kept having to swap out climbing and sprinting stars there was no way for me to change DSs without being hit with the penalty.

Also, I probably stuck with Froome over Valverde for one or two stages too many.

posted by drheaton [3429 posts]
4th September 2012 - 6:11

like this
Like (1)