Home

Be aware that final scores will be adjusted next week to take out Frank Schleck's points. So you final position may change.

cheers!

dave

15 comments

Avatar
Gkam84 [9110 posts] 5 years ago
0 likes

Have Remi's already been taken out?  3

Avatar
dave atkinson [6317 posts] 5 years ago
0 likes

yup, spent ages doing him  3

Avatar
enrique [2386 posts] 5 years ago
0 likes

I really don't think you should take out Schleck's points... He earned them...And, it's just a game... Don't penalize the people who picked him for their team... They didn't dope...

Avatar
Wig_Billy [578 posts] 5 years ago
0 likes

I know 'rules are rules' but I don't understand it either. How are we supposed to know who's doping and who isn't?

Avatar
TERatcliffe26 [4727 posts] 5 years ago
0 likes

Its called tough luck of the draw, you say it its unfair and we dont know that he is doping, but equally it would be unfair for someone to win by picking someone who has cheated over someone who has not.

And as is the case be it right or wrong the rules were set out from the star

Avatar
Stumps [3496 posts] 5 years ago
0 likes
TERatcliffe26 wrote:

Its called tough luck of the draw, you say it its unfair and we dont know that he is doping, but equally it would be unfair for someone to win by picking someone who has cheated over someone who has not.

And as is the case be it right or wrong the rules were set out from the star

Completely agree, rules are rules.

Avatar
dave atkinson [6317 posts] 5 years ago
0 likes

As always we'll review the rules at the end of the season. But for this season they're set. So Frank's points go.

Avatar
Wig_Billy [578 posts] 5 years ago
0 likes
dave_atkinson wrote:

As always we'll review the rules at the end of the season. But for this season they're set. So Frank's points go.

Yes, I completely understand that. Just giving my opinion.  1

Avatar
Wig_Billy [578 posts] 5 years ago
0 likes

Whilst I'm at it, a point about this part of the rule;

Quote:

'The scores and rankings for each race will be finalised once the race is completed, and we won't revisit them retrospectively should a rider be suspended later in the season. If we've announced a stage winner and the scores are changed due to a disqualification, that score will stand.'

I don't know if anybody here watched this years Tour of Turkey, but there was one guy who was suspiciously better than everybody else - Ivailo Gabrovski. If the fantasy game included that race, many people would've picked him and they would've collected lots of points as a result. But if somebody didn't pick him because they thought he was a bit too good to be true, they would've missed out because there was no positive test announced during the race.
Fast forward two months and it's reported that Gabrovski's urine sample from that race contained EPO. So anybody who didn't pick him would've been right to do so, but they wouldn't benefit because of the time the test results were announced.

To me, it doesn't seem fair that a positive test can either have a huge impact on your team, or no impact at all just because of the timing of the announcement. I appreciate that changing months of fantasy points and possibly reallocating prizes would be an absolute nightmare, but maybe this is something that can be looked at?

Avatar
londonplayer [621 posts] 5 years ago
0 likes
Wig_Billy wrote:

Whilst I'm at it, a point about this part of the rule;

Quote:

'The scores and rankings for each race will be finalised once the race is completed, and we won't revisit them retrospectively should a rider be suspended later in the season. If we've announced a stage winner and the scores are changed due to a disqualification, that score will stand.'

I don't know if anybody here watched this years Tour of Turkey, but there was one guy who was suspiciously better than everybody else - Ivailo Gabrovski. If the fantasy game included that race, many people would've picked him and they would've collected lots of points as a result. But if somebody didn't pick him because they thought he was a bit too good to be true, they would've missed out because there was no positive test announced during the race.
Fast forward two months and it's reported that Gabrovski's urine sample from that race contained EPO. So anybody who didn't pick him would've been right to do so, but they wouldn't benefit because of the time the test results were announced.

To me, it doesn't seem fair that a positive test can either have a huge impact on your team, or no impact at all just because of the timing of the announcement. I appreciate that changing months of fantasy points and possibly reallocating prizes would be an absolute nightmare, but maybe this is something that can be looked at?

I think he has a point......

Can we have a recount of the TdF in 2009 because I never picked Armstrong?  4

Avatar
chrisdstripes [1741 posts] 5 years ago
0 likes
dave_atkinson wrote:

As always we'll review the rules at the end of the season. But for this season they're set. So Frank's points go.

The wording of the rule might be something to look at if you do decide to keep it (I'm in the camp that says you shouldn't, but that's by-the-by). At the moment it says "if a rider is disqualified or suspended", but as I understand it, officially Frank Schleck withdrew himself after the positive test and was actually neither disqualified nor suspended. He presumably would've been if he hadn't withdrawn, but its just a grey area that some people might get narky about.

Anyway - great three weeks and great game, looking forward to finding out the rules for the Olympics!  3

Avatar
dave atkinson [6317 posts] 5 years ago
0 likes
chrisdstripes wrote:

looking forward to finding out the rules for the Olympics!  3

me too  39

Avatar
drheaton [3323 posts] 5 years ago
0 likes

I'm in the camp of leaving it as it stands. If Schleck had tested positive for EPO after doing a Landis and winning a stage by 10 minutes I would have felt guilty for getting points that way if I'd picked him and SO angry if I hadn't and other people had benefited from his cheating.

The rule makes sense and the approach taken for tests post-tour is common sense. Yes, there will be cases where someone tests positive post race but it's too difficult to go back months in order to fix the points. How it's done now makes sense.

Avatar
Lost faith in t... [116 posts] 5 years ago
0 likes

if you had a lottery ticket, won the lottery and it turns out it was forged you wouldnt keep the money.......

seriously its frank shleck your only gona loose 5 points  10

Avatar
nickobec [246 posts] 5 years ago
0 likes
Lost faith in the brand wrote:

seriously its frank shleck your only gona loose 5 points  10

If it was Tommy V, I would be demanding a recount, but what did Frank do in the Tour? 10th, 10th & 12th place stage finishes.

Not going to impact on the top 3 prizes. As the difference between 1 and 2 or 2 and 3 are not going to be impacted by 30 odd points. And he was never in number 3's team.

Possible impact on a stage win but unlikely. A lot of work for little gain Dave