Stage 15 TdF


Gkam84, July 16, 2012

So who are your men for today?

I can't see a break being let away today as it looks like a bunch sprint day 2 Cat 4's and a Cat 3 pretty far out from the finish.

Still 10 minutes before it even kicks off. Eurosport showing it live from the start Big Grin

After many failures, I've put a lot more effort into todays team;

Sagan - should get some good finish line/int. sprint/green jersey points.
Greipel - same as above + it's his birthday. Party
Cavendish - was going to keep Goss, but he's stopped contesting int. sprints and I think Cav will get more points at the finish.
Dumoulin - was planning to bring in Van Hummel, but he had abdominal pains yesterday.
Arashiro - could finish top 20 today
Simon - same as above
Huguet - said something about being in the break today
Cantwell - same as above
Ladagnous - same as above

Now watch it all fall apart. Cool

posted by Wig_Billy [489 posts] 16th July 2012 - 12:53

My stage hunting team. Hoping Roy finally pulls his finger out and gets in a break Devil

Andre Greipel (LOT)
Matthew Goss (GRE)
Peter Sagan (LIQ)
Jeremy Roy (FDJ)
Joan Horrach (KAT)
Julien Simon (SAU)
Pablo Urtasun (EUS)
Jorge Azanza (EUS)
Giovanni Bernaudeau (EUC)

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posted by Gkam84 [6746 posts] 16th July 2012 - 13:00

Dumoulin(for Voeckler)
Greipel(for RuiCosta)
Sagan
Gerrans
Albasini
Izagirre
Vichot
Pinot
Edet

posted by silas chime [203 posts] 16th July 2012 - 13:21

FAIL for my stage hunting, Izaguirre off again for my purist.

Then it comes back Devil

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posted by Gkam84 [6746 posts] 16th July 2012 - 13:23

I was going to take Chavanel out this morning but bought Boeckmans in for Iglinsky and Cavendish in for Gilbert and have only just discovered that Chavanel's abandoned Angry

Cavendish
Chavanel-abandoned
Sagan
LuLuSanchez
Edet
Cantwell
Boeckmans
Pinot
Vichot-was in an early break that got pulled back Crying

posted by ray silvester [905 posts] 16th July 2012 - 13:27

Current leaders with 13" on the peloton

Millar
Grivko
Arashiro
Grabsch
Rui Costa(!?)

Odd mix but seems more likely than Frank Schleck on the attack on a flat stage...

posted by drheaton [2514 posts] 16th July 2012 - 13:38

Rui Costa....... Angry I just took him out of my stage team, but Grivko is in my purist team Big Grin

Dropped riders
BERNAUDEAU Giovanni
HUTAROVICH Yauheni
TANKINK Bram
VAN HUMMEL Kenny

Bernaudeau better get my last place today......see if Kern drops back and comes in last again, I want an ASO investigation Devil

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posted by Gkam84 [6746 posts] 16th July 2012 - 13:41

silas chime wrote:
Dumoulin(for Voeckler)
Greipel(for RuiCosta)
Sagan
Gerrans
Albasini
Izagirre
Vichot
Pinot
Edet

Might have known Rui Costa would be in the break Sick Still confident that Greipel will outpoint him today though!!

3 decent TT'ers in this break though with Grabsch,Millar and Grivko

posted by silas chime [203 posts] 16th July 2012 - 13:41

Yeah, very good break for a flat stage, they should have enough nous to draw this out right to the line too unless OPQ shut it down early.

...actually, with Grabsch in there I assume he won't be doing much work so I don't give this break much hope.

Annoyed with Van Hummel, but I've now officially given up on a decent placing, I was doing well and making up ground until yesterday when I threw it all away Angry

Time to plan for the Vuelta... Thinking

posted by drheaton [2514 posts] 16th July 2012 - 13:50

Why would OPQ shut it down? Lotto Belisol perhaps?

posted by silas chime [203 posts] 16th July 2012 - 14:00

Bah!

I couldn't remember which team Gripel was riding for, had a blank moment, and plumped for Omega-Pharma Quickstep (Wiki still says he's a member of OPL) rather than Lotto Sad

Yes, Lotto might shut it down for Gripel and the fact that Grabsch is in the break will make no difference to them...

posted by drheaton [2514 posts] 16th July 2012 - 14:06

And the break is caught again Devil

I don't see many getting away because Sagan will want points at inter sprint

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posted by Gkam84 [6746 posts] 16th July 2012 - 14:07

Will Sagan realy care?

He's so far ahead now that unless he doesn't contest any of the remaining sprint finishes he's unlikely to be caught. He's 97 points up on Griepel, that's pretty much three uncontested sprint finishes which Griepel would have to win just to catch him.

posted by drheaton [2514 posts] 16th July 2012 - 14:10

Yeah Dr, Wiki is confusing with him, but I guess its because of team name change.....I've always been tempted to become an "editer" on Wiki and sort out some of their cycling stuff

Current team Lotto-Belisol

2011– Omega Pharma-Lotto

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posted by Gkam84 [6746 posts] 16th July 2012 - 14:11

drheaton wrote:
Will Sagan realy care?

He's so far ahead now that unless he doesn't contest any of the remaining sprint finishes he's unlikely to be caught. He's 97 points up on Griepel, that's pretty much three uncontested sprint finishes which Griepel would have to win just to catch him.

Sagan's the type of rider thats hunger for anything. He'll want as much as possible, He didn't have to do all that climbing yesterday, But he did to chase down the guys and get back to the front. He's a monster and can do everything. In a few years, If he works a little on him climbing, He'll be a GC guy that can take every jersey Nerd

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posted by Gkam84 [6746 posts] 16th July 2012 - 14:13

Yeah, I guess as Lotto Belisol is now using the old OP-Lotto license he's in the same team and OP-Quickstep are racing on the old Quickstep license.

posted by drheaton [2514 posts] 16th July 2012 - 14:13

Gkam84 wrote:
Sagan's the type of rider thats hunger for anything. He'll want as much as possible, He didn't have to do all that climbing yesterday, But he did to chase down the guys and get back to the front. He's a monster and can do everything. In a few years, If he works a little on him climbing, He'll be a GC guy that can take every jersey Nerd

Either that or he'll be serving some form of ban Devil

I'm kidding, but he's exactly the kind of rider who explodes onto the scene and who can do so much to such a high standard that you do begin to question their performances.

posted by drheaton [2514 posts] 16th July 2012 - 14:15

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That's it fellas: 1'30" - you're away!
So the selection has been made. The peloton has eased off the accelerator and the escape group has formed. It's composed of five at the front and one in a counter-attack. The lead group is: Voeckler (EUC), Vande Velde (GRS), Fedrigo (EUC), Devenyns (OPQ) and Dumoulin (COF).

The counter-attacker is Nicki Sorensen (STB).

I'm sure Fedrigo is riding for FDJ Thinking

posted by drheaton [2514 posts] 16th July 2012 - 14:20

Dumoulin! Big Grin Not the guy I thought I'd get in the break, but happy nonetheless.

posted by Wig_Billy [489 posts] 16th July 2012 - 14:23

silas chime wrote:
silas chime wrote:
Dumoulin(for Voeckler)
Greipel(for RuiCosta)
Sagan
Gerrans
Albasini
Izagirre
Vichot
Pinot
Edet

Might have known Rui Costa would be in the break Sick Still confident that Greipel will outpoint him today though!!

3 decent TT'ers in this break though with Grabsch,Millar and Grivko

Swings and roundabouts again

Voeckler AND the man I bought in for him(Dumoulin) in the new break....one that looks like the break of the day.

I'd imagine Dumoulin would be favourite for the intermediate Cool

posted by silas chime [203 posts] 16th July 2012 - 14:26

Bah, I had Dumoulin in the break on Sat and decided he wouldn't go again, never mind. He was only 6th in the intermediate when I had him, so watch him take the 15 points today...

Thought I might get lucky with Stortoni trying to get across the gap just now, but he just missed it. Lampre have done virtually nothing the whole tour, so surely someone (Scarponi again?) will go for it on Weds...

I had quite a good plan in week one and got to top 50 overall after stage 6, but I've messed things up in week 2 and am left with a team that I look at thinking "how the hell have I ended up with that?" Smile still - hopefully three in the top 5 at the finish today and then I think I'll have 5 transfers for Weds if I want them...

Greipel
Goss
Sagan
Valls for Weds
Jeandesbosz
Stortoni
Pinot
De Weert
Boeckmans

posted by chrisdstripes [878 posts] 16th July 2012 - 14:37

Greipel's birthday today Thinking

posted by silas chime [203 posts] 16th July 2012 - 14:43

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First six over intermediate sprint line
The 20 points for first place at Maugbouguet (101.5km) were won by Nicki Sorensen. With six over the line, the first places went to:

1. Sorensen (STB) 20pts
2. Voeckler (EUC) 17pts
3. Devenyns (OPQ) 15pts
4. Dumoulin (COF) 13pts
5. Fedrigo (FDJ) 11pts
6. Vande Velde (GRS) 10pts

Just after these points were taken, the peloton arrived at the '5km until the sprint' sign.

posted by drheaton [2514 posts] 16th July 2012 - 15:13

Wow they went through the int sprint as if it never existed! Surprise

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posted by livestrongnick [825 posts] 16th July 2012 - 15:15

Lancaster, Van Hummel
abandoned Confused

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posted by livestrongnick [825 posts] 16th July 2012 - 15:24

Fantasy points for the intermediate were:

1. Sorensen (STB) 15pts
2. Voeckler (EUC) 14pts
3. Devenyns (OPQ) 13pts
4. Dumoulin (COF) 12pts
5. Fedrigo (FDJ) 11pts
6. Vande Velde (GRS) 10pts
7. Sagan (LIQ) 9pts
8. Koren (LIQ) 8pts
9. Bak (LTB) 7pts
10. De Greef (LTB) 6pts
11. Eisel (SKY) 5pts
12. Froome (SKY) 4pts
13. Knees (SKY) 3pts
14. Boasson Hagen (SKY) 2pts
15. Cavendish (SKY) 1pt

Looks like Griepel, Goss and Cavendish have given up on the sprints and the Green jersey.

and Brett Lancaster has abandoned.

posted by drheaton [2514 posts] 16th July 2012 - 15:18

21 at the intermediate sprint and I'm hoping DuMoulin can get a win here as less people will have him than Sagan or Greipel......although the sportsman in me would like to see a Cav win after Sky's show of honour yesterday.

posted by silas chime [203 posts] 16th July 2012 - 15:23

Quote:
Giovanni Bernaudeau & Kenny van Hummel quit
There are two more retirements in stage 15: they are Giovanni Bernaudeau (EUC) and Kenny van Hummel (VCD). There are now 157 left in the race.

Merde.

posted by drheaton [2514 posts] 16th July 2012 - 15:27

Bernaudeau needs SACKED, he's done nothing but sit at the back ALL tour.....and never finished last Angry Angry

Thats me down to 6 in my purist, I need some more LL Sanchez breaks Wink

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posted by Gkam84 [6746 posts] 16th July 2012 - 15:31

I know the scoring system changes year-by-year, but still...
Sagan now has 340 points, so if and when he finishes top 10 today, he will have the most points since Sean Kelly's 434 in 1985! If he can beat that by Paris he'll have the highest points total in over 50 years!

posted by chrisdstripes [878 posts] 16th July 2012 - 15:34

Break at 8'20" with only 40km to go! What are Lotto playing at? Are they just not bothering to even try and bring it back today?

posted by drheaton [2514 posts] 16th July 2012 - 15:38

Yeah they've just let them go, nobody else interested in taking it up, so the break can go.

So much for Cav, Goss, Griepel and Sagan having a heads up sprint Thinking

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posted by Gkam84 [6746 posts] 16th July 2012 - 15:40

I'm really surprised at this - they get a day off tomorrow! Lazy bastards. Slightly more annoyed about dropping Dumoulin now...

posted by chrisdstripes [878 posts] 16th July 2012 - 15:43

Yeah, very annoying, wish I hadn't bothered to bring in Griepel/Sagan now although I suspect Sagan at least will sprint for minor placings.

Very odd with a rest day tomorrow, I assume that Lotto were looking at Liquigas and Greenedge to chase it down and vice versa and by the time they got organised it was too late. Will be interesting to see the highlights.

posted by drheaton [2514 posts] 16th July 2012 - 15:47

The first 50-60km of this stage were really fast with loads of attacking. The sprinters teams are just too tired to chase down the break.

posted by Wig_Billy [489 posts] 16th July 2012 - 15:51

10 bloody minutes what the f@#k this is rubbish racing!!!! Angry

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posted by livestrongnick [825 posts] 16th July 2012 - 15:52

Reminds me of the tour a few years ago when Armstrong used to just let breaks go and could control the peloton. It's only really in the HTC years that we've gotten so used to teams chasing down breaks in order to have a sprint finish.

I wonder if this is what we'll get more of when they scrap race radios?

posted by drheaton [2514 posts] 16th July 2012 - 16:02

ray silvester wrote:
I was going to take Chavanel out this morning but bought Boeckmans in for Iglinsky and Cavendish in for Gilbert and have only just discovered that Chavanel's abandoned Angry

Cavendish
Chavanel-abandoned
Sagan
LuLuSanchez
Edet
Cantwell
Boeckmans
Pinot
Vichot-was in an early break that got pulled back Crying

This could be an all time low score for me Confused

posted by ray silvester [905 posts] 16th July 2012 - 16:05

Wiggins - 10
Griepel - 4 + finish line
Sagan - 14 + finish line
Van Hummel - 0
Jeandesboz - 0
Vichot - 0
Simon - 0
Pinot - 0
Izagirre - 0

-20 penalty points.

Best case scenario is probably a Fedrigo win and a score of around 30 points Cool

posted by drheaton [2514 posts] 16th July 2012 - 16:10

Gkam,

Next time you choose a Purist team, could you let me know who you pick?

Your abandon rate seems well above average.... Wink Big Grin

posted by londonplayer [658 posts] 16th July 2012 - 16:15

I think the overall abandon rate has been high(carnage in week 1 plus upcoming Olympics.....never mind the tackattacks)but yeah.....Gkam can certainly pick 'em

posted by ray silvester [905 posts] 16th July 2012 - 16:18

drheaton wrote:
Wiggins - 10
Griepel - 4 + finish line
Sagan - 14 + finish line
Van Hummel - 0
Jeandesboz - 0
Vichot - 0
Simon - 0
Pinot - 0
Izagirre - 0

-20 penalty points.

Best case scenario is probably a Fedrigo win and a score of around 30 points Cool

your team is almost the same as mine! except i have boeckmans and impey instead of simon and jeandesboz

posted by TERatcliffe26 [2927 posts] 16th July 2012 - 16:19

64 for me Thinking

Pyrenees and some proper racing next! Nerd

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posted by livestrongnick [825 posts] 16th July 2012 - 16:56

Finally, Kern not in last, he came in 3rd last Devil

Vanotti your last man home today, 162 home yesterday, only 156 today

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posted by Gkam84 [6746 posts] 16th July 2012 - 16:59

londonplayer wrote:
Gkam,

Next time you choose a Purist team, could you let me know who you pick?

Your abandon rate seems well above average.... Wink Big Grin

No really, 3 riders out of 9 from the start, 36 riders so far out of the tour.....could have been worse and I'm still keeping up there as the top premium purist Wink Wink

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posted by Gkam84 [6746 posts] 16th July 2012 - 17:01

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