Stage 5 Rouen-StQuentin

by silas chime   July 5, 2012  

The second of a 3 part sprinters trilogy.

Will Cav recover?,can Greipel do it again?,is Kittel feeling better?

All will be revealed I guess

I currently lead the Tour and have this team for today(and tomorrow barring any abandons).

Cavendish
Grepel
Sagan
Veelers(for Freire)
Cantwell
Morkov(for Urtasun)
Impey
Boeckmans
Cooke

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silas chime wrote:
Put Morkov in for Urtasun but not too bothered as Morkov is guaranteed to lead KOM competition at the end of today and tomorrow and I feel he'll rest up and challenge for more climbs on stages 7-8.

The Veelers for Freire swap was based on Oscar seemingly intent on crashing or causing one and Veelers being Argos' DeFacto sprinter with Kittel struggling(knee problems on top of stomach bug).Kittel even backs Veelers for a win today!!

In fact Kittel's just abandoned!! Sick

posted by silas chime [208 posts]
5th July 2012 - 13:01

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yeah kittels out.

There are four men already out of the Tour of 2012. Three have broken bones (collabone for Rojas, tibia for Sivtsov, hip for Tjallingii) and one has suffered stomach ailments since the start (Kittel).

posted by Lost faith in t... [119 posts]
5th July 2012 - 13:19

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Got my team sorted and took a penalty to get them so hopefully it goes well, mind you cant get any worse than previous Angry

Cav
Griepel
Sagan
Oss
Impey
Cooke
Cantwell
Iglinsky
Astarloza

There are no stupid questions, just stupid people.

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posted by stumps [2809 posts]
5th July 2012 - 14:01

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What's everyone plan for the weekend? Save transfers and have 4 for Saturday is obvious, but on Sunday anything could happen and Monday's a TT!

My plan at the minute is 4 on Saturday, try for two breakaway guys on Sunday and bring in two TT specialists for Monday but I'm wavering.

Thoughts?

posted by drheaton [3429 posts]
5th July 2012 - 14:08

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Hmm...

4 for saturday(Cav/Greipel/Veelers out+1 DS) and there are at least 2 decent climbing/breakaway/TT guys(Sagan out +1 DS) for sunday then 2 big TT DS' in for sunday.

Morkov staying put.

I think the weekend will be all about the white jersey race with Tejay/Poels/Taaramae/Pinot/Kruijswijk likely to be the top 5 in the young guns competition after the TT but in what order?

posted by silas chime [208 posts]
5th July 2012 - 14:28

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Hurrah!

1. Ladagnous (FDJ) 15pts
2. Urtasun (EUS) 14pts
3. Simon (SAU) 13pts
4. Ghyselinck (COF) 12pts
5. Cavendish (SKY) 11pts
6. Goss (OGE) 10pts
7. Renshaw (RAB) 9pts
8. Sagan (LIQ) 8pts
9. Boasson Hagen (SKY) 7pts
10. Van Hummel (VCD) 6pts
11. Hutarovich (FDJ) 5pts
12. Petacchi (LAM) 4pts
13. Gretsch (ARG) 3pts
14. Impey (OGE) 2pts
15. Krivtsov (LAM) 1pt

A tidy 50 points from that sprint, I still don't like it though Wink

Personally I can't see Morkov doing anything this weekend, he's on the track with the Danish pursuit squad at the olympics and I think this week was all about getting Saxo some exposure and getting a jersey for a few days, I don't think he's got any designs on the jersey long term.

I can't decide whether to bring in people like Wiggins and Evans who can climb (but will finish mid pack on Saturday) and TT or to bring in proper climbers/breakaway people. That's my main dilemma.

posted by drheaton [3429 posts]
5th July 2012 - 14:41

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21 pts for me at the intermediate Yawn

No reason Morkov won't try to hang on to it for a few days but agree that with 20/16/12/8/4/2 real life points at the summit finish of stage 7 he could be out of the KOM running afterwards.

The only reason I'm sure that he'll still be in the team is that my other DS' (Impey/Boeckmans/Cantwell and Cooke)have NO chance of doing anything on those days and credits aren't a problem once the big star sprinters are replaced with guys like Tejay/Poels etc.

posted by silas chime [208 posts]
5th July 2012 - 14:52

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my plan is no transfers between today and tomorrow, so 4 for saturday (on will be a TT guy also for monday) then no transfers between saturday and sunday yto give me 4 for the TT, then its rest day so can make 4 for after the TT....

posted by TERatcliffe26 [3991 posts]
5th July 2012 - 15:02

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Sounds like a plan although I'm loath to give up on what could potentially be a huge scoring day on Sunday Sad Picking a breakaway rider on Sunday could be worth more than two rides in the top 3! Decisions decisions...

posted by drheaton [3429 posts]
5th July 2012 - 15:05

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My plan is to make 4 transfers after tomorrow, keep the same team for Sat/Sun, and then 4 more transfers for the TT. Tried to bring in the kind of guys I think will try to get in the break on Sunday, as well as a couple of GC guys for balance...

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posted by chrisdstripes [1648 posts]
5th July 2012 - 15:39

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LeTour live text suggests Cav's getting a full on lead-out today... this could be interesting

posted by drheaton [3429 posts]
5th July 2012 - 16:14

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Another fall, sounds like a big one, caused by someone from Garmin. Not sure if it's inside last 3km but sounds like carnage!

Also, Baden Cooke riding the last 5km on a flat tire, what a legend.

posted by drheaton [3429 posts]
5th July 2012 - 16:28

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Griepel takes it ahead of Goss and Haedo, sounds like Sagan and Farrar caught in the crash with Hutarovich and Van Hummel but it was inside 3km.

Break stayed out until last 500m.

posted by drheaton [3429 posts]
5th July 2012 - 16:31

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typical.....i take out haedo and he comes 3rd!!! not having any luck this tour

posted by TERatcliffe26 [3991 posts]
5th July 2012 - 16:34

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1 GREIPEL André
2.GOSS Matthew Harley
3.HAEDO Juan Jose
4.CAVENDISH Mark
5.DUMOULIN Samuel
6.VEELERS Tom
7.FREIRE Oscar
8.PETACCHI Alessandro
9.HINAULT Sébastien
10.GENE Yohann
11.MOLLEMA Bauke
12.LADAGNOUS Matthieu
13.BOZIC Borut
14.VAN HUMMEL Kenny Robert
15.MARTINEZ Egoi
16.BRAJKOVIC Janez
17.SANCHEZ Samuel
18.WIGGINS Bradley
19.MILLAR David
20.SCHÄR Michael

posted by drheaton [3429 posts]
5th July 2012 - 16:34

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Getting rid of Cav for Sagan was a great decision... Angry

posted by Wig_Billy [577 posts]
5th July 2012 - 16:34

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2, 4, 12 and 14 plus 50 intermediate sprint points and hopefuly combativity. Not bad but I suspect once again that someone will be up near 200 for the stage win. Pity Sagan went down.

posted by drheaton [3429 posts]
5th July 2012 - 16:36

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1,2 and not much else, Sagan and van Hummel in the crash I think. Thought the break might hold on for a sec - Phil Liggett was getting a bit confused about how close the finishing line was...

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posted by chrisdstripes [1648 posts]
5th July 2012 - 16:36

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Van Hummel reportedly finished 14th.

posted by drheaton [3429 posts]
5th July 2012 - 16:40

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Ah, van Hummel 14th, better than nothing. Ladagnous gets combativity according to the LeTour website - a bit of a French decision I feel - Ghyselinck and Urtasun were the two that really went for it at the end surely?

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posted by chrisdstripes [1648 posts]
5th July 2012 - 16:41

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Ladagnous took 12th at the line and instigated the break, I think that's fair (plus, he's in my team).

posted by drheaton [3429 posts]
5th July 2012 - 16:50

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Ha! Fair enough if he did a lot of the work in the break, I only saw the last 20k. Guilty of forming an opinion based on very little knowledge there!
I thought I'd be average today, but actually moved up into the top 100. Can make one transfer today (Boeckmans out) and still have 4 transfers for tomorrow to get rid of my star sprinters - finding it a lot more difficult to pick stars for the weekend though!

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posted by chrisdstripes [1648 posts]
5th July 2012 - 17:04

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Lampre took Farrar out.

lol

Sir Velo

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posted by Raleigh [1730 posts]
5th July 2012 - 17:04

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4 transfers? are you sure you can do that?

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posted by adholman [80 posts]
5th July 2012 - 17:53

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Loving the highlights tonight, can't believe Griepel managed to stay upright after bouncing between Farrar and Sagan (although annoyed he took out Sagan Angry)

Still amazes me how good the riders are at handling their bikes in those kind of situations.

posted by drheaton [3429 posts]
5th July 2012 - 20:06

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adholman wrote:
4 transfers? are you sure you can do that?

Yep - I see your other thread so looks like you've worked it out. Its a handy rule!

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posted by chrisdstripes [1648 posts]
5th July 2012 - 20:47

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Took out JJ too. I'm crap, have no idea what i'm doing, can't pick a ds to save myself. Thinking that FDJ are going to send a different person into the break every day, so trying Pineau for tommorrow. What stage will Casar go for is the thing bothering me most. 14th of July is nearly pan flat. Maybe casar goes Sunday, I think i'll try him then.

Plan B is to go for 5 2-3 point ds and pile the rest into the stars after the TT, can't do any worse than i'm doing. Big Grin Big Grin

posted by thefatcyclist [584 posts]
5th July 2012 - 21:32

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Sunday is where i wished Casar was actually a star rider at his 16 credit price (due to my credit situation)....

Anyway a diff frenchman will be in for sat/sun Wink

posted by TERatcliffe26 [3991 posts]
5th July 2012 - 21:35

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silas chime wrote:
A lone breakaway rider in first place over all the checkpoints in stage 8 for example would get:

Climbs 1-5 5pts each
Intermediate sprint 15pts
climb 6 5pts
climb 7 10pts
likely combative award 10pts
at least 4 end of day KOM comp pts

69 points and could still bump that up by finishing last(unlikely but not impossible) and on the winners team!!!

So pick them!!! That's half the fun of the game. I have had several riders this year get upwards of 60 points and it gives me a far bigger kick than getting 1,2 or more in a sprint.

And there aren't many more points on offer this year than last. Even last year, I think intermediate sprint points in the Tour were 10 down to 1 and there are fewer points if a rider comes lower down the order on the lower cat climbs, in line with the Tour itself, compared to last year so your guy or guys has to come first or second to get much early on.

posted by Alan Tullett [1457 posts]
5th July 2012 - 23:15

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drheaton wrote:
Another fall, sounds like a big one, caused by someone from Garmin. Not sure if it's inside last 3km but sounds like carnage!

Also, Baden Cooke riding the last 5km on a flat tire, what a legend.

That's nothing! I rode 28 miles on a flat at the weekend after doing 80 and missed the second half of The Euros because of my stupid decision to take a mended inner tube out with me that didn't work.

posted by Alan Tullett [1457 posts]
5th July 2012 - 23:27

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