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Hello you lovely bunch. Just dropping in because i have found some wifi so got my tablet going.

I'm playing as a purist this tour as i wont have regular access to change my team or even see highlights.

So my question is, If there is a nice prize for purist winner overall in the TdF, do the same rules as the BMC bike for overall winner apply? I.e. You have to be a paid up player?

Just thought i'd check. I know there is a long way to go, but after looking at the table, there are only a few of us playing purist, so chances are better  3

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londonplayer [620 posts] 4 years ago
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Gkam,

I don't think there will be a bike on offer as purist prize. I'm sure Dave will arrange something quite nice but not the bike!

How many do you reckon are playing Purist then?

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TheBigMong [212 posts] 4 years ago
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Didn't someone win a single-speed bike last year as a purist prize for one of the grand tours?

The vibe I've been getting is that purist prizes vary quite a bit and are based on what happens to be available at the time. I wouldn't expect a pricey road bike, but based on some of the spot prizes we've seen on offer, the top purist could take home something pretty nice.

And I think, like the spot prizes, you are still eligible even as a non-premium user. The way I read it, players of the free game are only excluded from taking home the grand tour grand prizes (i.e. those three sexay road bikes.)

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Gkam84 [9092 posts] 4 years ago
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Folks, i'm not saying anything about expensive prizes. The question was aimed for the game admins like Dave. Just so i knew whether to make sure i got some internet time when its rest day, so i could plan my attack for the rest of the tour.  19

London, on the first page of purist, i only saw around 10 red P's. So not sure. But low numbers.

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londonplayer [620 posts] 4 years ago
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talking of rest days, I presume you can't change your Purist team at all during the whole 21 stages? just checking....

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dave atkinson [6262 posts] 4 years ago
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londonplayer wrote:

talking of rest days, I presume you can't change your Purist team at all during the whole 21 stages? just checking....

nope. you gots to leave it as it is

prize-wise, we'll sort something out  1

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Gkam84 [9092 posts] 4 years ago
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Leave it as is? I thought during the unlimited period you could make changes. Thats how it used to be  39

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londonplayer [620 posts] 4 years ago
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Gkam84 wrote:

Leave it as is? I thought during the unlimited period you could make changes. Thats how it used to be  39

Gkam, he's referring to rest days - not the period between grand tours.

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TERatcliffe26 [4660 posts] 4 years ago
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londonplayer wrote:
Gkam84 wrote:

Leave it as is? I thought during the unlimited period you could make changes. Thats how it used to be  39

Gkam, he's referring to rest days - not the period between grand tours.

Thats what Gkam is referring too as well, you used to be able to be change on rest days for purists

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drheaton [3318 posts] 4 years ago
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Nope, purists have never been able to make transfers mid tour.

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step-hent [723 posts] 4 years ago
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drheaton wrote:

Nope, purists have never been able to make transfers mid tour.

wouldnt be very pure if you could, would it? The teams themselves don't get to bring in fresh riders on rest days...

Purists were allowed to make transfers in 'unlimited' windows during the classics, though, because they don't class as one race in the real world. Perhaps that's what people were thinking of.

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TERatcliffe26 [4660 posts] 4 years ago
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drheaton wrote:

Nope, purists have never been able to make transfers mid tour.

I may be getting mixed up with the classics from last year...

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drheaton [3318 posts] 4 years ago
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Classics last year was no transfers, grand tours have always been no transfers (which makes sense as step-hent said as your squad is your squad, end to end) as have any one week races.

This year two unlimited transfer windows were added into the classics (as opposed to the '6 transfers' transfer windows) because there isn't the same requirement in the classics for pro teams to run a single set of 9 riders and it's nigh on impossible to know who's riding the last few races before the first (MSR) even starts.

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JAndrewHill [1207 posts] 4 years ago
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Yep. Thats why my, friend' hugh has a purist squad. With guys like hesjedal in, ready for week three. I have, oops, sorry, hugh has not gone premium for the purist as there did not seem to be a point. Go goss (is whazt hugh would be saying this week).

on an aside, hugh tweeted chris boardman today and got a reply. Hugh suggested that chris and ned should do one of their sketches and recreate the flecha hoogerland incident from last year. Chris reckons ned is not up for it. Lol.

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TERatcliffe26 [4660 posts] 4 years ago
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im getting confused with something...what that is im now not sure

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Gkam84 [9092 posts] 4 years ago
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I'm pretty sure purists got to make changes in unlimited periods last year such as rest days and thats how i have set my team up. So that day the tour de suisse starts i was going to make my tdf changes aswell.

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TheBigMong [212 posts] 4 years ago
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Nope, no transfers allowed during a stage race, period. That's what makes the purist competition so damn hard during these grand tours. Many sprinters will surely abandon before the end of the tour, so it's a big gamble on whether they'll nab enough points early on to make them worth their spot on your roster. This is why most of the current top ranked purists in the TdF will drop like a stone in the coming weeks, and people with more GC and KOM oriented teams will begin to climb through the rankings.

Throw in all the unforeseen abandons due to crash injuries, illness, acts of god, strategic planning for the Olympics and other upcoming races, etc. and doing the TdF pure is quite the challenge.

But that's why purist fantasy competition best reflects the real competition, and that's why we love it.  16

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drheaton [3318 posts] 4 years ago
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TheBigMong wrote:

Nope, no transfers allowed during a stage race, period. That's what makes the purist competition so damn hard during these grand tours. Many sprinters will surely abandon before the end of the tour, so it's a big gamble on whether they'll nab enough points early on to make them worth their spot on your roster. This is why most of the current top ranked purists in the TdF will drop like a stone in the coming weeks, and people with more GC and KOM oriented teams will begin to climb through the rankings.

Throw in all the unforeseen abandons due to crash injuries, illness, acts of god, strategic planning for the Olympics and other upcoming races, etc. and doing the TdF pure is quite the challenge.

But that's why purist fantasy competition best reflects the real competition, and that's why we love it.  16

Spot on, it's a totally different challenge and it's great fun.

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mattbibbings [81 posts] 4 years ago
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New guy question,

I just set up my Team for this TdF. If I leave it pure for the whole Tour (I have so far) am I automatically a Purist and eligable for the purists comp? Or did I miss a trick and not enter somewhere?

Team "1 more hill" btw

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TheBigMong [212 posts] 4 years ago
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You don't have to do anything--you're automatically in. For example, at the end of the first stage, the purist league contains... everyone. It's only as people start making transfers that they are removed from the purist competition.

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mattbibbings [81 posts] 4 years ago
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Cheers BigMong

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Gkam84 [9092 posts] 4 years ago
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drheaton wrote:

Nope, purists have never been able to make transfers mid tour.

Ok, just did a search now that i'm on a computer and not my tablet.

As a purist, you were able to make changes during the unlimited parts of a tour last year.

27th February 2011

dave_atkinson wrote:

I don't know that. But I *do* know that in the unlimited transfer windows the game doesn't log changes. That means you can make changes at those points and still be a purist. You can look at the stage listing to see when those points are.

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drheaton wrote:

Nope, you can only make changes in 'unlimited' transfer windows so you can't make any changes at all through the Vuelta. I have a purist team and actually quite enjoy it

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rcorbin [212 posts] 4 years ago
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Rest days are not unlimited transfers though.

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drheaton [3318 posts] 4 years ago
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Yeah, you've confused me now, I don't remember any grand tour or other tour having an unlimited window mid race.

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londonplayer [620 posts] 4 years ago
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Technically, the Purist competition isn't a Premium comp. Am I right in thinking that?

The reason I ask is that I am running my main team, where I have paid to go premium, and then I am running a Purist team, where I haven't paid to go premium. My understanding is that there is no distinction between Premium and non-Premium teams in the Purist comp. as Dave's intention was to try to allow each Premium player to run a Purist team but it'll have to wait until next year.

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Gkam84 [9092 posts] 4 years ago
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Sorry for the confusion folks.

It just happens that the unlimited period is on the rest day this year because of the start of Tour de Pologne.

So I can make changes in the unlimited window to my TdF team then?

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Gkam84 [9092 posts] 4 years ago
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londonplayer wrote:

Technically, the Purist competition isn't a Premium comp. Am I right in thinking that?

The reason I ask is that I am running my main team, where I have paid to go premium, and then I am running a Purist team, where I haven't paid to go premium. My understanding is that there is no distinction between Premium and non-Premium teams in the Purist comp. as Dave's intention was to try to allow each Premium player to run a Purist team but it'll have to wait until next year.

The whole TdF is not a premium comp, not just the purist. But only premium players can win overall in transfers, so that should be the same in purist.

Its not only premium players who can run two teams under Dave's statement, anyone could run a purist and transfer team, which is why it should only be premium players that can win overall prizes in either league.

I choose not to open another account as i think the new "have two accounts" is wrong after there being the rule last year that one team per person, that's now out the window.

So why should people with two accounts have two chance's to win something? Unless they pay £10 to have both their accounts premium??  14 14 14

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londonplayer [620 posts] 4 years ago
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Gkam,

I'm happy to pay the £10 but I didn't because I didn't realise it was necessary under the rules - which, if I'm correct, you don't need to.

And I only paid £7 for my main team  4

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rcorbin [212 posts] 4 years ago
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Gkam84 wrote:

Sorry for the confusion folks.

It just happens that the unlimited period is on the rest day this year because of the start of Tour de Pologne.

So I can make changes in the unlimited window to my TdF team then?

It's a seperate competition so I'd think not

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londonplayer [620 posts] 4 years ago
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And BTW, I entirely understand why you think it's unfair. But if the "two teams, one player" was ruled illegal, I would simply set one team up in a relative's name and you would never know.

I have to say, I don't think it's "cheating" to run one main team and one Purist. There are many people doing it and I understand Dave is well aware.

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Gkam84 [9092 posts] 4 years ago
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londonplayer wrote:

Gkam,

I'm happy to pay the £10 but I didn't because I didn't realise it was necessary under the rules - which, if I'm correct, you don't need to.

And I only paid £7 for my main team  4

RULES???

Are there any? They seem to be made up here and there when needed and then changes again when something else come's up. For example....

Until just before the TdF this year, the rule that had carried over from last year was ONE team per player. But some people on the forum were talking about their second team as a purist team.

So there was a change, you can have one of each.  39

Then there is the issue that i'm looking for clarification on, Last year during unlimited periods, players could make changes to their purist team, there were times when unlimited periods came into tours.

So this year, there is an unlimited period, be i'm being told i cannot change my team....but you could through the classic's, thats why the unlimited days were changed around....but the rules are changed again??  39

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