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Thought it might be good to have a thread to discuss the race, etc.

First comments from me are Sagan is exciting. A real talent. Hope to see much more from him.

Secondly, poor Tony Martin. What a terrible first 2 stages. Just unfortunate or not fully 'up to speed' after injury? What do you reckon?

Finally, who said Cav needs a lead out train?! His wheel hopping was first class today.

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Raleigh [1665 posts] 4 years ago
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Is it true what Magnus B says? Will Sagan become a GC rider?

Ryder's going well as well.  1

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russyparkin [570 posts] 4 years ago
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sagan is probably sending massive panic through the other big teams. hes a strong rider. well impressed, clearly though its all about the bike... oh look i have a cannondale as well, i must be as fast  1

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chrisdstripes [1728 posts] 4 years ago
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1) Chapeau to Argos-Shimano and Tom Veelers today - to still get 4th after realising Kittel wasn't going to make it was great to see.
2) Glad they've stuck with just the one intermediate sprint, for me one of the best improvements to the Tour in recent years.
3) I have absolutely NO IDEA what to expect tomorrow! These Classics-style stages are difficult to predict, and we don't really know who is on form (although Gilbert and Sagan will presumably be up there). Iglinsky? Albasini? Mollema?

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dave atkinson [6224 posts] 4 years ago
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@marcelkittel's twitter feed gives some indication of why he was off the pace today... one comment "if you were on AG2R you wouldn't have to worry so much.”  3

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daddyELVIS [655 posts] 4 years ago
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Chavanel to make a bid for yellow on stage 3 maybe?? - in my fantasy team just in case.

I'm rooting for Gilbet, though - I'd love him to win stage 3.

Outside bets - Iglinsky or Nuyens??

Probably be a repeat of stage 1 though!

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notfastenough [3695 posts] 4 years ago
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Pretty much what SD said.

Lol at Marcel Kittel's twitter feed, he's even posted a pic of a suppository prescribed by the doc!

@Dave - sorry, don't get "if you were on AG2R you wouldn't have to worry so much" - am I being thick?

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drheaton [3318 posts] 4 years ago
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...brown shorts.

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Super Domestique [1605 posts] 4 years ago
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Sagan the man again!

I first saw him and took notice last season, iirc tour if California. He has had a bigger and certainly quicker impact than I expected though.

Feature on the Tourminator bike please guys?

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Raleigh [1665 posts] 4 years ago
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His bike has WEIRD geometry, look it up.  26

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Mostyn [396 posts] 4 years ago
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Have Sky chosen the right men for the tour team? they seem to be outclassed by many of the other teams in the TOUR.

Cavendish has not lost the power to go for it; and he's doing it all alone; well, Bernie is doing his best to help.

Sagan, is a possible GC contender. Although, he says he want's the Green Jersey; I can see a Yellow for him, in the not to distant future.

Hesjedal is very quiet in the peleton?????

I predict a sprinters day for the 4th stage? Maybe Greipel? or Cav?

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Raleigh [1665 posts] 4 years ago
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You wait till we get to the mountains and SKY start TTTing straight up them.

I wouldn't be surprised if they got two on the podium, like they did at Vuelta.

And that was before they started these crazy dominating tactics.

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Mostyn [396 posts] 4 years ago
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Raleigh wrote:

You wait till we get to the mountains and SKY start TTTing straight up them.

I wouldn't be surprised if they got two on the podium, like they did at Vuelta.

And that was before they started these crazy dominating tactics.

Hope So.

I'm looking forward to the mountain stages; and I'm hoping Sky will be in a position to get over them in front; but, it's not looking too promising for them at present. They need to get their act together.

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veseunr [257 posts] 4 years ago
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Sky have picked a team for weeks 2 and 3, not for week 1. I think that is obvious from the names.

They will boss it up the climbs even without Sivtsov.

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drheaton [3318 posts] 4 years ago
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Raleigh wrote:

You wait till we get to the mountains and SKY start TTTing straight up them.

I wouldn't be surprised if they got two on the podium, like they did at Vuelta.

And that was before they started these crazy dominating tactics.

I'm not sure about them even getting two in the top 10. Froome has last 1:40 and Porte over 6:30, Rogers is still in touch with the leaders but I think they'll end up burning through the whole team once we get to the bumpy stuff.

I'm sure that on a few days BMC and Liquigas will just let Sky do all the heavy lifting then try and blow them up on the last climb and isolate Wiggins, it's what I'd do. If they've come into the tour prepared to work every day, make them work every day and save your own legs.

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chrisdstripes [1728 posts] 4 years ago
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Hmm, I tend to agree with Boardman - if they were picking a team for weeks 2 and 3 then Cav and Eisel shouldn't have been in it. Hopefully they can still pull it off - Porte, Froome and Rogers is still possibly the best support trio that any of the GC guys will have in the mountains.

Can't wait for the mountains - hoping to see some big attacks from the climbers after they lose time in the TT. Should be awesome racing.

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Mostyn [396 posts] 4 years ago
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veseunr wrote:

Sky have picked a team for weeks 2 and 3, not for week 1. I think that is obvious from the names.

They will boss it up the climbs even without Sivtsov.

Lets hope they employ a better stratergy on the hills than the tactics they're employing on the open stages.

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notfastenough [3695 posts] 4 years ago
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drheaton wrote:

...brown shorts.

Ah, righto, cheers!

chrisdstripes wrote:

Hmm, I tend to agree with Boardman - if they were picking a team for weeks 2 and 3 then Cav and Eisel shouldn't have been in it.

I don't think they could not pick Cav - it would be disrespectful to the rainbow and green jerseys. Besides, Cav would have made sure that was an agreed point before signing for Sky. Eisel a strong guy and an experienced road captain, which gives them options.

I don't see a problem for Sky yet - bit of a close call yesterday being behind the crash, and only avoided losing time because of the 'last 3km' rule.

Come on Wiggo.

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bikeandy61 [537 posts] 4 years ago
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I've said it before (many times) and I'll say it again. US Postal/Discovery had one leader and 8 riders to support that leader all of the time. There was never a plan B (other than maybe if LA had crashed out then whoever to take his chance). They won 7 times. This has nowt to do with doping whether it existed or not. There was one plan. One leader, 8 injuns. Wiggo IMHO was already 1 to 2 support riders down before a wheel was turned in anger. He has now lost another. I am concerned. That is why you have 8 support riders so you can "afford" to lose one to unforeseen circumstances.

I don't doubt Brad's ability, I am just very concerned about the teams.

I wonder if Cav was included as a contractual obligation to get him on to Sky. If so that was a mistake.

I like Brailsford but do wonder if he suffers from hubris?

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Raleigh [1665 posts] 4 years ago
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Sky have THE BEST mountain men of any team this year.

Don't doubt them, its not like they're going to surprise, they have a very definite plan

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chrisdstripes [1728 posts] 4 years ago
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notfastenough wrote:
chrisdstripes wrote:

Hmm, I tend to agree with Boardman - if they were picking a team for weeks 2 and 3 then Cav and Eisel shouldn't have been in it.

I don't think they could not pick Cav - it would be disrespectful to the rainbow and green jerseys. Besides, Cav would have made sure that was an agreed point before signing for Sky. Eisel a strong guy and an experienced road captain, which gives them options.

Yeah, don't get me wrong I'm glad Cav's riding, he's great value, I was just saying that if their only priority was Yellow in Paris, then he wouldn't be. Hopefully they can still pull it off, with Overall for Brad and more stage wins for Cav in the rainbow jersey. I still make Brad the favourite, but he'll need big performances from Froome, Porte and Rogers. If he has a bad day in the mountains and they're not there, he's buggered.

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andyp [1450 posts] 4 years ago
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'Wiggo IMHO was already 1 to 2 support riders down before a wheel was turned in anger.'
Crikey. I counted 7, now 6.

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notfastenough [3695 posts] 4 years ago
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chrisdstripes wrote:

Yeah, don't get me wrong I'm glad Cav's riding, he's great value, I was just saying that if their only priority was Yellow in Paris, then he wouldn't be. Hopefully they can still pull it off, with Overall for Brad and more stage wins for Cav in the rainbow jersey. I still make Brad the favourite, but he'll need big performances from Froome, Porte and Rogers. If he has a bad day in the mountains and they're not there, he's buggered.

Oh I know what you're saying, and in some ways I agree, but i suppose what im saying is, that harks back to the bigger question of whether he should have moved to Sky, because this scenario was an obvious one. Had they chosen to omit the reigning world champion and green jersey holder in favour of another domestique, I think the team and brailsford would have been pariahs within the sport.

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chrisdstripes [1728 posts] 4 years ago
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Yep - totally agree. I'm sure Cav will do his fair share of the donkey work later in the tour, and Wiggins will repay him on Box Hill. So hopefully all will be good...

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Mostyn [396 posts] 4 years ago
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Well, Sky have won a stage in the tour; and Cav has already earned his place in the team!! Leadership of the team is questionable though.

Fingers tightly crossed - Yeah.

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veseunr [257 posts] 4 years ago
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I am aware of Lance's winning tactics. I don't remember 8 guys sticking with Contador though?

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Super Domestique [1605 posts] 4 years ago
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Nibali getting back into the peloton after the crash today. Scary stuff!

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Mostyn [396 posts] 4 years ago
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I hear the TDF riders will be out on their day off; practising their falling off procedure.

Crash bang wollap.

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Adey [86 posts] 4 years ago
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Heard from a lad at work that Cav was going for Lance's stage win record in the first week then 'fading' in weeks 2/3 to save on fitness for the olympics
He was using the tour's first week as part of his prep for the olympics (could explain why he's had no leadout train and the team are there for Brad for the overall victory)
Im not too sure but what he was explaining SEEMED feasable
and since then he's crashed so Lance's record for now is intact
Anyone else see this??  39

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Mostyn [396 posts] 4 years ago
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Brailsford, about turn in stratergy for stage 5. Shame it didn't work out for Cav. Good to see that Sky are at least trying to support Cav, with a sort of? lead out.

Bit of a hil in the stage 5, finish; and Cav was caught out by going too early for the final sprint, he was also probably suffering from some aches pains and bruising from the previous day's crash.

I think he'll get stage 6, today? Although, Greipel seems very strong.

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Mostyn [396 posts] 4 years ago
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Stage 6, was a disaster for so many riders.

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