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Getting fitter now so looking to suppliment the Ribble winter trainer with a bike to join my local club with, but also to start doing 'sportives'. Been looking at Cube Agree and other similar bikes, but have an opportunity to have a custom build on a Condor frame which could work out very similar on the money side of things. Frames mentioned were the 'Italia', 'Squadra' and the more expensive 'baracchi'.Not intending to be a racer so comfort over the longer distances more of a priority.

Which way would you guys go?

Thanks!  1

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russyparkin [570 posts] 4 years ago
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hmm depends how confident are you about your custom geometry? im not yet, been through 4-5 frames of various sizing. happy with the current bike but wouldnt commit to potentially making a unique to me frame even now.

have you ridden any of the bikes at all yet?

i after doing lots of ebay impulse buys decided a budget and rode about 15 bikes and over a decent distance before settling on my final choice.

i do have a soft spot for condor though... a guy at my club has the fratelli in orange. it is tooooo sexy

do what you think is best, everyone and their grannys grans gran has a specialized so if you turn up with a condor you wont need your name on it for the cafe stops. cubes have always impressed me as well

f==k it! buy a condor, infact buy 2 and i will give you my address to send the other one!

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WolfieSmith [1323 posts] 4 years ago
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Buy the Condor. You won't regret it. Any of those mentioned are great. The new Super Accaio is worth a look as well. I bought my first Condor in 1995. I have three. Aside from perhaps a heritage Colnago I wouldn't ride anything else as a summer bike. I potter down the shops on the 1995 Italian and I race on a Moda. They are classy bikes and a very good British company.

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WolfieSmith [1323 posts] 4 years ago
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Buy the Condor. You won't regret it. Any of those mentioned are great. The new Super Accaio is worth a look as well. I bought my first Condor in 1995. I have three. Aside from perhaps a heritage Colnago I wouldn't ride anything else as a summer bike. I potter down the shops on the 1995 Italian and I race on a Moda. They are classy bikes and a very good British company.

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notfastenough [3685 posts] 4 years ago
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Go for the condor. You might need to fettle with the geometry over time, changing stem length for example, but unless you're a really unusual shape yourself, this sounds awesome.

Mind if I ask what those frames are made of and how much they cost?

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thereandbackagain [172 posts] 4 years ago
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Go for the Condor.

If you go the shop you can talk through requirements and get a build that suits you, not the predefined product niches of a larger manufacturer with their "sport" "elite" "pro" and "team" bikes. It'll minimise the chances of you swapping components out later too.

They'll set you up on their bike rig and check for frame size, stem length, handlebar width and shape, saddle type etc.

My other half bought a Fratello from them. The service was impeccable, and even as a relative novice they were attentive, thoughtful and not patronising in the slightest towards her.

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notfastenough [3685 posts] 4 years ago
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Ooh, I just looked at the Squadra, it's gorgeous!

I want one. I fancy Shimano Ultegra, but I think a frame like that needs some Campag TLC perhaps.

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swansfan [16 posts] 4 years ago
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Wow! Thanks guys, that's very positive for the Condor then!  1

"Mind if I ask what those frames are made of and how much they cost?"

For your info, Mr Notfastenough,

Italia; £549.99 Dedacciai Force 7003 triple butted alloy with Deda Nero full carbon fork.

Squadra; £899.99 Carbon modular with Deda drive and Condor 1 1/2" o/size carbon fork.

Barrachi £1499.99 Condor RC11 Carbon with Deda black wave carbon fork

Also been advised elsewhere that for comfort they make a wicked steel frame called the Acciaio (also by Mr Murcuryone) which is £749.99. Don't have details of the superacciaio tho sorry  7

I feel a shop visit coming on!!!!!  16

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Bedfordshire Clanger [344 posts] 4 years ago
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I'm a very happy Condor owner and I can only echo what thereandbackagain said. You won't be able to beat the likes of Canyon for the price of their kit but you will get an excellent fitting service, an honest opinion on finishing kit to match your budget and complete choice of components as well as a workshop that takes pride in keeping the bikes they have sold in perfect condition if you live close enough to make use of it. It's best to go at a time when they aren't busy to be sure that you don't have to wait around to use the jig or for one of their sales people to be available. So if you can avoid lunchtimes or weekends that would probably be best. You'll need a good couple of hours to talk through options and try out different bars, stems, cranks etc. Good Luck with it. Julian does a great job of the sales and fitting process.

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racingcondor [173 posts] 4 years ago
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Pretty obvious where my vote goes (see sig) and as Bedfordshire Clanger says the point is that you get something that fits and that meets your expectations.

Condor have been with me through 3 bikes and from complete road newbie (dumb questions and all) to road racer and wheel builder and have taken the time to help me as much as I've needed it when I have.

My advice, go with the Squadra, it's always been a great bike (although the Super Acciaio is my next frame). You will get something that fits because the stem, bars etc will be right and you'll benefit from it.

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swansfan [16 posts] 4 years ago
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OK it's getting 100% for Condor from you fella's which makes the choice pretty easy!  1 So, next question;

I see that the nearest stockist to me is

County Cycles near Llanelli

fortunately not too far from me at all. So does anyone have any feedback on those guys please?

Thanks

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nellybuck@msn.com [168 posts] 4 years ago
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Is that the one at Cross Hands? Driven past there hundreds of times but never been in. That may have to change when I'm looking for a new bike later this year, now that I know they do Condor.

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pjay [250 posts] 4 years ago
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I have an orange Fratello. I love it.

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andylul [410 posts] 4 years ago
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You have a Famous Blue Bike and didn't consider the Sportive Bianco, the Racing or the Stealth?

Just ordered myself a Stealth for what's left of the summer - should be with me in time for the Haywards Heath Howler or the Exmouth Exodus...

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swansfan [16 posts] 4 years ago
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To answer the comments in order....

not sure about which club to join. I live in Port Toilet....ooops, sorry Port Talbot  1 so PT Wheelers would be obvious choice, but they (and Bynea so I'm told) are quite heavily racing biased and I'm too old to start racing!

The shop is the one at Cross Hands, and like you I've passed it many times!

As for the famous blue bike, well the Gran Fondo was top of my list until the possibility of a custom fit came into the equation, but have no problem with Ribble, this one has been faultless!

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Mostyn [396 posts] 4 years ago
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Frget the Condor! get yourself along to Tredz Cycles and Buy the Cube Agree GTC Pro or Race; I have the GTC Pro; and I love it! They are a really comfortable bike to ride, have eye-catching looks, and they fly along with ease.

I suggest you try a few bikes before deciding.

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swansfan [16 posts] 4 years ago
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Hmmm, as I said at the start of this, I've fancied a Cube CTC for a long time, but I have to say I wouldn't buy a washer from Tredz, even if I was desperate! All they want is your cash, and they'll sell you anything, and tell you it's right for you, just to get the sale  39 (in my humble opinion)

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gazer117 [26 posts] 4 years ago
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Hi, well i'd say about 80% of those in Bynea don't race. There's a huge range of different abitlities, most won't race and enjoy the Sportives / club run side of things, nto to sure about PTW, check out the Bynea Facebook page is probable the best, it would give you a feel for waht goes on in the club.

Gareth

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bashthebox [751 posts] 4 years ago
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I've got a Condor. 2009 Baracchi in blue (in the sale), built up with 2010 Centaur. It's very pretty indeed, but... and this is a huge but.....

It's not a good frame if you want responsiveness, stiffness, feel of the road. It's just a soggy beast really, hates descending fast, and is heavy enough that it doesn't exactly leap forward when you put the hammer down.

Now I know that you say you want it for relaxed sportives, but to be honest I never feel relaxed on it when I'm going fast downhill or into a corner. It just wallows too much.

Condor are a lovely shop to deal with but they are expensive. As other posters have noted, you don't get the best bang for your buck either. I'm going to hazard a guess that their top end frames are lovely, but for mid range I have my doubts.

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swansfan [16 posts] 4 years ago
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Thanks to Gazer117 for the info, I'll check it out, although travelling from PT to Bynea for the club runs may get old pretty quick maybe??? But if they're that good a club, well......  1

Thanks also bashthebox.... well balanced opinion I thought and your comments made sense, even if you are in the minority, here at least. As others have said, the best plan would be to try a few first, which shouldn't be a problem with Trek, Specialized etc, not so sure about the Condors tho? They are not so thick on the ground are they!

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bashthebox [751 posts] 4 years ago
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well, here's the thing - and with the greatest respect to others posting, it would seem i'm the only one here who's got a baracchi. It's just too soggy to be too much fun to ride. A mate of mine got the same fram around the same time as me - and he feels much the same. He now rides a Canyon and uses the Condor for commuting. Carbon commuter? orverkill? Naaaaah.
I've got no experience with any condor frame but this one, so perhaps the Italia, Squadra etc are lovely.

Anyway, as I said, i reckon you can spend your pennies more wisely.

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swansfan [16 posts] 4 years ago
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OK here's the update!

Made the shop visit to County Cycles today and had a very enjoyable morning discussing Condor frames etc. The result is that the order has been placed......but not for me unfortunately! No, 'The Missus' has jumped in before me and ordered herself an 'Italia'! All this talk of a new bike has inspired her and she's taken the plunge, and I now have to wait for mine! (typical innit!  1 )

Top class service from the people at County Cycles I have to say, for those of you who expressed an interest - very knowledgable and helpful.

I will be getting myself a 'Squadra' in the not too distant future, sorted all that out while I was there today!

Many thanks for all the advice and opinions, it helped no end to come to the final decision  1

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1860 [35 posts] 2 years ago
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Congratulations. I suggest if you ever get the chance, visit the London shop, it is certainly worthwhile. In any case Port Talbot is certainly closer than where I live (Austria), and I still made it to Condor Cycles.

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allez neg [497 posts] 2 years ago
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I want a Condor - even if its just an Italia RC which is realistically all I can presently afford.

There's a bit of history behind the name, and I like that.

Enjoy your new bike.

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bendertherobot [1077 posts] 2 years ago
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jammyminty [2 posts] 2 years ago
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That's a beauty!  26 How is this condor bike to ride? I have been thinking of trying one out at condor. There isn't much talk on the good old interweb of these bikes just old reviews, what's your take on this bike? worth the £? A classic? Be good to hear what you have to say. Cheers.

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bendertherobot [1077 posts] 2 years ago
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It's divine. Super stiff but also springy. If that makes sense!

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consciousbadger [41 posts] 2 years ago
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Go Condor, you won't regret it. Excellent service too. I own a black and white Condor Acciaio and it's the best bike I've ever ridden by far. Great for UK sportives.

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FatManonaBike [1 post] 2 years ago
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The Condor Acciaio is THE nicest bike I've EVER ridden. I swapped full carbon for the feel of steel, and it's just plain lovely.

If money is important, don't buy a complete bike from Condor, as you'll be bankrupt. Buy frame and forks, then build yourself. If the money isn't a huge factor, the build is amazing, with IMMACULATE attention to detail.

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Old Cranky [257 posts] 2 years ago
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Join the Rapha Condor cycle club which will give you a nice discount on some of the Condor bikes  26

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thereandbackagain [172 posts] 2 years ago
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As a counterpoint, I test-rode an Acciaio and found it incredibly underwhelming. It was fitted with some really nice kit (Mavic R-Sys wheels, Campag Record) but the ride was totally flat. Not road-smoothing steel, but lumpen and unresponsive.

I ride steel, carbon, and alloy bikes and the ride quality wasn't anything special at all. Also, the actual finish wasn't great either.

Finally, Condor don't do any sort of discounts even if you buy the whole bike off them, pretty much all the parts will be at RRP, so it gets expensive.

You'd get a lot more value for money if you built something up yourself.

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