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I HATE YOU!

SO, a little context.

I was doing laps of Hillingdon before racing tomorrow, and there is this one guy dressed up in Greenedge style kit, with a Ridley bike.

Earphones in, to drown out the noise his Mavic Cosmic Carbones were making, he comes storming past me in a blur of sweat and legs, only to slow down a bit further on.

So, I pounced on the oppurtunity for some motor pacing style training, as he was quite content to let me sit on his wheel at 40kph for about three or four laps.

Then, coming onto the final straight, he veers right like an angry lorry driver, admittedly not very abruptly, but inches from my front wheel and with a tailwind, it was a bit much for me, so I swerved to the left and start to pull away from him.

He sprints up to me and dramatically pulls out his earplugs and starts shouting:

"OI, YOU DON'T SIT ON SOMEONES WHEEL-"

At which point I thought I was going to get a bollocking for not doing any turns on the front, BUT NO!

"AND THEN COME ROUND THEIR SIDE, IT PUTS ME OFF!"

(note: ME)

I apolagised, not knowing quite what I'd done wrong. I Was a fair distance away from his right when I started to pull away, just a standard overtaking, similar to the one he had performed on me a while back.

I was pretty much lost for words, I thought I was going to get a smacking, and got ready to scarper, so I just said "sorry," and let him away.

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I considered this for a while, and I'd never heard of this rule before, it didn't put either of us in any more danger than his veering tactics, there was nobody behind us, and he didn't see, to mind me being on his wheel for so long, in fact, I think he rather enjoyed displaying his
macho, towing a Youth rider around like a derny.

As I didn't feel to have breached any rules, if there are any rules which you can apply to this situation, I wanted to make him feel bad too, he had right put me off for a while, and I went all shaky. Soooo, naughtily, while he was sweating up the small incline, I pedalled past him with no hands drinking my bottle.

And here ends the story.

Please could you tell me what I did wrong?

Thanks.

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robert.brady [155 posts] 4 years ago
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No idea what you did wrong. Maybe your actions didn't fit in with the Mark Cavendish fantasy he was playing out in his head.

If you *did* do anything wrong it was apologising: Cocks like him need taking down a peg, not pandering to.

Ultimately, all he was doing was riding a bike; same as you. Some people take it too seriously.

Rob

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russyparkin [570 posts] 4 years ago
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sounds a bit extreme.

although wheel huggers can be infuriating. i had a bloke drafting me for so long the other day i decided to pull over in a layby faining stopping to have a drink and he momentarilly pulled in as well before realising he might have pissed me off slightly.

still i suppose there is a compliment in there somewhere.

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SideBurn [890 posts] 4 years ago
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Sounds like excess testosterone; particularly to a junior rider. Maybe you annoyed him by 'sitting on' and not doing a turn. But as has been said 'sitting on' someone is a compliment (as well as annoying). Do not let it put you off!

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Raleigh [1667 posts] 4 years ago
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But even if I was annoying him he could have just said something like;

Hey there, do you think you could let me work on my own, I'm a pretty experienced 2nd cat, and I need to work on sone areas of my training whereby nobody is allowed to be within a 2 metre radius of me at anytime, I read about it on BikeRadar, Cheers.

and I would have gone;

Sure, it's great that you're so nice, you could even give me a few tips on my cycling, and maybe be my role model!

Alas, he's just put me off people like him for a long time.

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notfastenough [3715 posts] 4 years ago
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When I was about 15, I was pedalling along on my Raleigh Banana (anyone remember those?!), all 28lb of it, in my cheap kit (shorts weren't paddded, my arse must have been indestructible!) on a summer evening, on my regular 40-mile route which I tended to complete at an average of about 15mph. I could hear this hum behind me, and after a bit this guy (maybe in his 30's or something) comes past on a low-profile bike, Zipp 3-spoke on the front, disc on the back, tri-bars, teardrop helmet, you name it. Greg Lemond had turned the tour ITT upside down in the last couple of years with all this stuff, so it was not a cheap setup.

About 1 mph faster than me. Like a slow-motion alien.

Then he gets in front, finds himself out of gas, and just sits there in front of me. After about a mile, he shouts something, then as we pass some marshals, they say something about drafting, and he shouts "this kid won't get off my wheel!"

I, erm, have rather a temper when I get going. I've grown up now, so haven't lost it in ages, but back then I didn't have the maturity. I may have, rather robustly, offered to assist him in wearing his 3 grand bike. The funny bit was in watching him wrestle with the decision; ignore the kid and complete the TT ASAP, or dismount to batter the kid and forget the performance?!

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11speedaddict [75 posts] 4 years ago
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 14 About 6 weeks ago i was training for the Fred Whitton so was doing long (100 mile + rides) on my own when i found myself on a 4 mile drag of a hill in North Wales (the sunspot).
About half a mile into the climb a rider goes past (says hiya) in the big ring powering up the climb.
Normally, as is the cyclist way , is to chase but I knew i still had a few miles to go ( at least another 50)i told myself let him go -look down at my front hub - and he seemed strong - take my time.
Anyhow, as the next 1.5 miles passed the rider who passed me was about 70 metres ahead but not getting any further ahead .
Anyhow, I eventually caught up with him , sat on his wheel for less than 1 minute and was about to come round hime to chat (usual stuff where is he going / been etc) when he looks round sees me behind and..... pulls to one side and goes ballistic.
Told me to F -off, effin wheelsucker, basically foaming at the mouth. I asked him what was with the bad attitude. He just kept swearing at me.
I presume he thought i had sat on his wheel all the way up the climb - even if i had there was no benefit due to the speed and steepness. But i had only just caught him.
I looked down at his gears and he was in the big ring overgeared (he had tri bars fitted and he called me a wheelsucker) all this points to a tri athlete. Of which i run with many and they have this thing that road cyclists arent that fit / fast they just draft / wheelsuck.
At this point we are next to each other with a mile to go to the top and he still telling me to f- off so.....i stuck into the 53 and left him for dead.
But like the original poster , it left me with a nasty feeling.
I aint new to this bike lark - been riding seriously for 20 odd years and i have never had anything like this happen.
But i have seen the guy nearer to my local cafe (Eureka)so I imagine Mr Kuota / US postal I will meet you @ the cafe one day and i will be having words or fight -Dickhead

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bigmel [116 posts] 4 years ago
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No rules broken.
If you were expected to take a tug then he should have flicked you.

Always remember, etiquette is there for EVERYONE's safety.
If the other rider thought you were doing something wrong, it is HIS responsibility to have a polite chat with you.

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Darthshearer [134 posts] 4 years ago
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The bloke sounds a right plonker.

I am with you though, it leaves a sour taste in the mouth, until you go out again and soon forget about it  1

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Super Domestique [1609 posts] 4 years ago
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So many reasons why I ride alone!

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Simon E [2851 posts] 4 years ago
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Darthshearer wrote:

The bloke sounds a right plonker.

I am with you though, it leaves a sour taste in the mouth, until you go out again and soon forget about it  1

+1 to all of that.

There are complete wankers in all walks of life. Shake your head, roll your eyes, do your best not to end up being one and you'll be fine.

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samjackson54 [54 posts] 4 years ago
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Ive had people shouting at me in actual circuit races before. ...this is very occasional! Im no Chopper, just to point out  1 I always wonder how these people have enough energy to yell and remonstrate with everyone then get dropped and/or dont figure at all as the race comes to its sharp end. Weird folk.

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ragtag [218 posts] 4 years ago
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Agree.. more and more now if I'm coming up to a rider I make sure I can go right past with the usual courtesy greeting. Otherwise I'll just hand back way off their wheel. A few times I've ridden up to someone then it's not been safe to overtake and they give you a mouthful. Also a reason why I tend to go out in the week and not the weekend.

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Manx Rider [18 posts] 4 years ago
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Tough one, the guy sounds a bit of a plonker. I don't really understand the swerving left/right bit but if the charge is sitting on someone for 4 laps then sprinting past him to finish then I guess that is not the best form. To be honest I wouldn't sit on someone I didn't know, especially for a long time as it can be a bit distracting. There is the awkward situation of two similar standard riders where neither can get away but that doesn't sound like the situation here. Either way the guy didn't deal with it very well, sounds like he was an angry man!

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Raleigh [1667 posts] 4 years ago
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He seemed OK for me to draft him though, because he never wiggled his elbow, and I didn't exactly sprint past him, just started to move away, and that was after he'd swerved.

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Darthshearer [134 posts] 4 years ago
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I had one guy on my commute home who used to sit on my wheel even when I slowed right down to walking speed!

In the winter months his front light was an annoying bright flash which IMO should be banned.

He was a plonker and the only way to deal with him was drop him which was pretty easy.

If I draft a stranger I will do my share of work too, its only fair.

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Matt_S [281 posts] 4 years ago
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Crikey, if I got upset with everyone who sat on my wheel when lapping Regents Park, I think I might have an aneurism.

They usually sit on for half a lap, sprint past, then gradually get reeled in again.

The single biggest thing that makes me not care any more is getting a powermeter. Now I just get on with my session and ignore everyone else.

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notfastenough [3715 posts] 4 years ago
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I must admit to having drafted without taking a pull when on a recent sportive, simply because I was over my limit already.

At one point I apologised for this to the guy in front, and received the reply: "Don't worry about it, I'm f***ed as well, just hang on!"

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RobeH [33 posts] 4 years ago
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another arrogant *rick,best ignore peeps like that  35

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blades67 [2 posts] 4 years ago
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There seems to be more and more people out on bikes, as has been widely discussed elsewhere (the new golf etc). Whilst this is to be welcomed, there are a few who just don't get the etiquette of being a roadie. So they won't nod as you pass on opposite sides of the road, or return the 'Hi' as you overtake. They have a very self-involved attitude which is manifested in the top-end kit they always have. The infuriating thing is that they think their approach to riding is the right one and that it's the rest of us who are in the wrong.

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MalcolmBinns [115 posts] 4 years ago
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My preferred approach is to ask before drafting, joining a group, especially as I don't want to be knocked off by a plonker as they slow and swerve up an incline. Better to go a bit slower than get injured.

Raleigh - the guy you met was clearly a plonker. Try and stay sane.

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giff77 [1258 posts] 4 years ago
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@notfastenough - I ended up towing a guy for a good chunk of a recent sportive. As we crossed the line he thanked me. Had a bugger of a block headwind and crosswind for something like 90% of the route. Must admit it felt pretty good that someone opted to be towed by myself  4
I did at one stage have a 'sucker' who refused to come up front when I flicked my elbow, would jump onto a passing gang to be dropped by them and when I caught up he would slow right down and force me to pass (rather than signal me through) to then jump back on my wheel. I did note that he was running a 34:19 while I was grinding out a 53:17  19 19

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Raleigh [1667 posts] 4 years ago
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That's the other thing, I was on Youth A gears, which because I don't want to buy a new chain set means a cable tie round the front shifter.

I'd not taken it off since the last race, and because I was racing the next day, just left it on.

Obviously the "plonker" didn't know that, but he still made me feel really bad.  2

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andrew streit1 [26 posts] 4 years ago
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+1. That's what real cyclists do. Oh I just cycled past you on my 10kg hack of an entry level bike. Oh wait, you have a 3 grand bike and usually go club training on the weekends? That's why I just passed you!! You can't draft a 15-20mph head wind pal  1

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Raleigh [1667 posts] 4 years ago
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What the hell does that mean?

I'm not being rude or nuffink, but I'm no entry level rider, and neither was Mr. Plonker.

So take you words, carefully rephrase them, and come back with a more concise argument please.

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andrewgcook [2 posts] 4 years ago
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Raleigh, mr streit said nothing about you being an entry level cyclist.

Why so defensive? Something to prove?

He wasn't belittling you, he was agreeing with you.

Talk about making reactionary and poorly judged statements.

Jeez.

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Raleigh [1667 posts] 4 years ago
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Ma-ate:

Quote:

Oh I just cycled past you on my 10kg hack of an entry level bike.

If I'd had something to prove, I'd be out training now, instead of combating you guys on the internet.

That. Is. That.

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Adey [86 posts] 4 years ago
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blades67 wrote:

There seems to be more and more people out on bikes, as has been widely discussed elsewhere (the new golf etc). Whilst this is to be welcomed, there are a few who just don't get the etiquette of being a roadie. So they won't nod as you pass on opposite sides of the road, or return the 'Hi' as you overtake. They have a very self-involved attitude which is manifested in the top-end kit they always have. The infuriating thing is that they think their approach to riding is the right one and that it's the rest of us who are in the wrong.

How true is your statement/observation Blade67
On a ride weds night when i noticed in a lay-by up ahead were 6-10 riders meeting up or having a fluid break (a club maybe?)
On riding passed i smiled raised my hand and said "hi all"
NOT ONE acknowledged !!!! Eh???

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Adey [86 posts] 4 years ago
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I dunno
On a re-read of this thread perhaps the most common thing ive noticed is when one rider overtakes another, the overtaken maayybee sees this as a 'challenge' (yes...even ive done it) so has a go back to re-overtake
The other rider maybe then takes offence and it all kicks off!!!
You all still with me???? Lol hope this makes sense!!

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Kapelmuur [342 posts] 4 years ago
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Adey wrote:
blades67 wrote:

There seems to be more and more people out on bikes, as has been widely discussed elsewhere (the new golf etc). Whilst this is to be welcomed, there are a few who just don't get the etiquette of being a roadie. So they won't nod as you pass on opposite sides of the road, or return the 'Hi' as you overtake. They have a very self-involved attitude which is manifested in the top-end kit they always have. The infuriating thing is that they think their approach to riding is the right one and that it's the rest of us who are in the wrong.

How true is your statement/observation Blade67
On a ride weds night when i noticed in a lay-by up ahead were 6-10 riders meeting up or having a fluid break (a club maybe?)
On riding passed i smiled raised my hand and said "hi all"
NOT ONE acknowledged !!!! Eh???

I'm a complete novice, only started cycling 3 months ago and have noticed how groups from local clubs ignore me as they sweep past. The outstanding example was when I had a mechanical problem and had the bike upended at the side of the road while I prodded at it with an Allen key. Groups from 2 clubs passed without a sideways glance.

I thought it was because my Carerra bike and Aldi kit were beneath their notice and am reassured to discover that it's not just me!

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SideBurn [890 posts] 4 years ago
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I have to say Crosshouses that failing to stop and confirm that a rider by the side of the road is OK is ALWAYS wrong. I even stop in my car if safe to do so. My son was out and had a snapped chain about a year ago, a stranger stopped and gave him a new link; thats a proper cyclist for you!

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