Giro stage 15

by stumps   May 19, 2012  

After todays heroics by the breakaway to saty out all day what about stage 15 ?

Will Hesjedal have the legs to go again or will J-Rod et al drop him.

Only time will tell.

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GC:

1. Rodriguez
2. Hesjedal (30")
3. Basso
4. Tiralongo
5. Kreuziger
6. Scarponi
7. Intxausti
8. Henao
9. Cataldo
10. Casar
11. Uran
12. De Gendt
13. Pozzovivo

Pozzovivo's a big loser today, Henao takes the white jersey too. Uran lost 1'47 in the end to fall well down. Surprised to see Casar still up there but I might take a punt on De Gendt for next week now Smile

Raleigh wrote:
Anyone who got Henao (like me) is in for big points.

Smile

Agreed, I've got Henao and I expect him to be very popular for Tuesday, especially with 4 transfers on offer. Basso and Scarponi looked strong, if only I could get both of them and Rodriguez into my team without dropping Hesjedal Sad

posted by drheaton [3350 posts]
20th May 2012 - 16:57

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I was watching the end on the Giro website so didn't get any commentary, anyone know how far back the Gruppeto is and whether Cav is likely to be inside the time limit?

posted by drheaton [3350 posts]
20th May 2012 - 16:59

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1. Rabottini
2. Rodriguez
3. Losada
4. Henao
5. Scarponi
6. Basso
7. Pirazzi
8. Kreuziger
9. Gadret
10. Txurruka
11. Nieve
12. Hesjedal
13. Cataldo
14. Intxausti
15. Tschopp
16. Tiralongo
17. De Gendt
18. Moreno
19. Cunego
20. Brambilla
21. Casar
22. Uran
23. Niemic
24. Pozzovivo
25. Szmyd

Rujano came in 4 minutes down in 32nd, he's definitely getting the boot tomorrow.

posted by drheaton [3350 posts]
20th May 2012 - 17:10

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Cav bus home 34:48 down, 60 odd riders.
Guardini last man again Cool

'Don't look back. Something might be gaining on you'

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posted by livestrongnick [1404 posts]
20th May 2012 - 17:40

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I really thought about bringing Guardini in this morning, but decided it was too much of a risk. Is 15 points his highest score so far?

posted by Wig_Billy [571 posts]
20th May 2012 - 17:54

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drheaton wrote:
Oh! What a win for Rabottini, sneaks around Rodriguez on the last corner to take it, not that J-Rod put up much of a fight.

Great ride from Uran to stay with the main group for so long, looks like I close badly by taking Rujano over Gadret, who was up in the top group.

Rujano has been a disaster for me. I meant to change him for Purito and swap Golas for a cheap rider but went with two breakaway riders instead. One was in the break but couldn't stay out, the other was 3rd from last. So close but not quite. Should have played safe. I would have made up a bit of ground. Have to bring in Purito now (who I like - don't know why I ever left him out) but won't change the other stars and maybe change one DS. Keep 2 transfers spare for later.

posted by Alan Tullett [1293 posts]
20th May 2012 - 18:04

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I asked a club rider why he thought that the Poz had lost so much time yesterday, and his classic response was:

"Probably took the wrong pills."

Just thought I'd share.

Also, tomorrow I'll finally be able to get rid of Serge Powels. Smile

Sir Velo

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posted by Raleigh [1725 posts]
20th May 2012 - 18:16

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Please can someone explain why Guardini got 15 points and Cav got 9? Not this scoring lark clearly.....

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posted by Windij Van Blowij [4 posts]
20th May 2012 - 19:13

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Guardini got 10 for being the last man home (again!) and 5 for being in the same team as the stage winner. Guardini let me down badly in the sprints but is grabbing loads of points for me in the mountains for being last!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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posted by adholman [77 posts]
20th May 2012 - 19:18

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Alan Tullett wrote:
Rujano has been a disaster for me. I meant to change him for Purito and swap Golas for a cheap rider but went with two breakaway riders instead. One was in the break but couldn't stay out, the other was 3rd from last. So close but not quite. Should have played safe. I would have made up a bit of ground. Have to bring in Purito now (who I like - don't know why I ever left him out) but won't change the other stars and maybe change one DS. Keep 2 transfers spare for later.

Yeah Rujano has to go, Sella too, but I don't know who to bring in to help me move up. I think at this point I run the risk of having exactly the same team as those above me and not going anywhere.

Basso will be popular this window, Henao too, anyone whoever didn't have Rodriguez will get him if they can so I'm just faffing around the edges really, the core of my team (Rodriguez, Henao, Hesjedal, Tiralongo, Pozzovivo, Golas) is probably the same as most other teams and won't change now until the TT. I either take huge risks or just hope I get lucky with a breakaway or on the remaining sprint and TT stages.

posted by drheaton [3350 posts]
20th May 2012 - 19:20

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Cav got 5 for being in red and 4 for the intermediate sprint

posted by simon F [869 posts]
20th May 2012 - 19:41

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Raleigh wrote:
I asked a club rider why he thought that the Poz had lost so much time yesterday, and his classic response was:

"Probably took the wrong pills."

Harsh Smile

Italian TV were saying repeatedly yesterday and today that he absolutely detests the rain, pre-race interview today he clearly didn't fancy the descents. Basso not a big fan of the wet stuff either, apparently.

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posted by Simon_MacMichael [7480 posts]
20th May 2012 - 20:07

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Still a number of riders in the list who have abandoned. Goss, Renshaw, Schleck etc. can this be cleaned up over the rest day?

posted by darren13366 [51 posts]
20th May 2012 - 20:09

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darren13366 wrote:
Still a number of riders in the list who have abandoned. Goss, Renshaw, Schleck etc. can this be cleaned up over the rest day?

They only abandoned this morning, some while the stage was under way, So will be removed before the next deadline as always Wink

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posted by Gkam84 [8138 posts]
20th May 2012 - 20:23

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Nice and convenient that Schleck pulled out on the morning of the stage where he was bound to lose a good chunk of time, descending really is a massive weakness for him. No wonder he prefers the TdF in the summer where there's less chance of rain.

posted by drheaton [3350 posts]
20th May 2012 - 20:24

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Descending in the rain is a problem, dry he can just about handle, He's TT skills are a mess and the only reason he is a "big name" is because he shares that surname with his brother, otherwise he'd be classed as a high end DS Wink

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posted by Gkam84 [8138 posts]
20th May 2012 - 20:47

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Nah, he's probably in the same league as Rujano/Gadret, someone who can win a stage and maybe get top 5 if they're lucky. He just doesn't have the allround skills to win a grand tour.

posted by drheaton [3350 posts]
20th May 2012 - 20:59

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Neither of them is ever going to win anything... They can't TT, they have questionable phsychological strength, and then they simply act like babies... afraid to set off alone and do it on their own. Frank can't ride the Giro cause he misses Andy and wants to be training with him instead... Andy can't level a full out attack at the Tour cause he doesn't want to leave Frank behind... Abundance of natural skills and a huge absence of everything else that it takes to be a champion for both brothers.

posted by badbadleroybrown [17 posts]
20th May 2012 - 21:45

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I never understood why riders like the Schleck's are so poor at TTing, some of the best climbers (Contador, & Armstrong drugs not withstanding) have been excellent TTers so its surely not a physical thing? And its not like the top all rounders like Evans and Wiggins are THAT much bigger or more powerful than the Schlecks (ok, Evans is bigger but Wiggins doesn't look much bigger nowadays) and surely the effort needed to climb the Tormalet at pace is comparable with that needed to sustain a good TT pace for 40kmk? Is it just a mental thing?

posted by drheaton [3350 posts]
20th May 2012 - 22:00

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It must be a Euro Thing.

Devil

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posted by Raleigh [1725 posts]
20th May 2012 - 22:03

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Having now seen the result again not gambling on gadret cost me points. another very average day!

Now for tuesday do i go Gadret or Basso? Ive pretty much decided the two other changes im gonna make.

Doesnt look like Cav is gonna be able to win the red jersey. He must win stage 18 (i think its that stage) to stand a chance and try and take out as many of the sprints as possible, maybe go in some breaks?

Tuesday is a pretty flat stage, however the finish is it too steep/long for Cav as it does flatten off?

posted by TERatcliffe26 [3504 posts]
20th May 2012 - 22:32

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Rujano ... thank for the zero points that you gave me in the last 2 stages... Angry Angry Angry

What a waste Sick Sick

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posted by petiagos [55 posts]
20th May 2012 - 22:55

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Gkam84 wrote:
darren13366 wrote:
Still a number of riders in the list who have abandoned. Goss, Renshaw, Schleck etc. can this be cleaned up over the rest day?

They only abandoned this morning, some while the stage was under way, So will be removed before the next deadline as always Wink

Thanks Gkam. I thought I'd read that Goss and Renshaw didn't start on Saturday. I shall be patient...

posted by darren13366 [51 posts]
20th May 2012 - 23:30

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drheaton wrote:
Alan Tullett wrote:
Rujano has been a disaster for me. I meant to change him for Purito and swap Golas for a cheap rider but went with two breakaway riders instead. One was in the break but couldn't stay out, the other was 3rd from last. So close but not quite. Should have played safe. I would have made up a bit of ground. Have to bring in Purito now (who I like - don't know why I ever left him out) but won't change the other stars and maybe change one DS. Keep 2 transfers spare for later.

Yeah Rujano has to go, Sella too, but I don't know who to bring in to help me move up. I think at this point I run the risk of having exactly the same team as those above me and not going anywhere.

Basso will be popular this window, Henao too, anyone whoever didn't have Rodriguez will get him if they can so I'm just faffing around the edges really, the core of my team (Rodriguez, Henao, Hesjedal, Tiralongo, Pozzovivo, Golas) is probably the same as most other teams and won't change now until the TT. I either take huge risks or just hope I get lucky with a breakaway or on the remaining sprint and TT stages.

Once you start chasing breaks you know you're finished! If they come by chance while you play sensibly that's great, like Rubiano and Golas did for me. It was stage 5, I think, that lost it for me when I had Farrar and Hushovd and some other sprinters who all went out the back. Lost about 80-100 points on that one stage.

By the end of a Tour everyone's team is pretty similar but you still have a small chance. I, however, have none and even if I had played a bit safer I'd still be too far behind.

At least I still have my top place in East Anglia and amazingly I'm still top 20 on GC and above TERatcliffe26. Wink Wink

Could go for a stage win. Maybe the TT Thinking Thinking

Been a good couple of days racing though and I've enjoyed watching it. Fun having Carrara in the break as well even if he scored only 2 points.

posted by Alan Tullett [1293 posts]
20th May 2012 - 23:36

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darren13366 wrote:

Thanks Gkam. I thought I'd read that Goss and Renshaw didn't start on Saturday. I shall be patient...

Sorry you are correct, Those two didn't start stage 14

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posted by Gkam84 [8138 posts]
20th May 2012 - 23:42

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God I'd forgotten how dull Basso can be to watch, yet somehow he's contrived to climb the GC ladder whilst actually losing yet more time. Obviously others have lost still more. He stays as he might just bore his rivals to death. Yawn

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posted by seanieh66 [192 posts]
21st May 2012 - 6:17

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He's unspectacular but effective, he knows that Rodriguez is great on small steep climbs so he limits his losses and will make time up on the others when we get to the really hard stages and the TT.

From a fantasy point of view though he's a pain in the arse as he won't get loads of points but will be consistently up there.

Edit: Also, how do you think Wiggins and Evans win races? They grind out the results, stay close to the proper climbers on the hills and blow them away in the TT, yes they're a better version of Basso but it's the same idea.

posted by drheaton [3350 posts]
21st May 2012 - 8:31

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drheaton, spot on, Basso merely follows which makes him a v good allrounder whereas the likes of Wiggo, Evans and Bertie have that extra bit in their armoury and can put the hammer down and drill it or destroy a field on the tt.

Basso is still a brilliant rider he just gets things done differently.

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posted by stumps [2427 posts]
21st May 2012 - 9:18

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Grand Tour's tend to have the toughest stages towards the end and Basso tends to linger lower down the GC Order until he reaches these and so picks up less GC top 10 pts per stage than perhaps a Cuddles or Wiggo who can take advantage of an early TT.

posted by ray silvester [1520 posts]
21st May 2012 - 10:02

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stumps wrote:
drheaton, spot on, Basso merely follows which makes him a v good allrounder whereas the likes of Wiggo, Evans and Bertie have that extra bit in their armoury and can put the hammer down and drill it or destroy a field on the tt.

Basso is still a brilliant rider he just gets things done differently.

Exactly, although if any of the really top draw GC contenders were at this year's Giro I doubt Basso could win it. The fact that Basso is still favourite is probably a reflection of the quality of the field more than anything else. It's a shame that the Giro is run so close to the start of the TdF because it really thins out the people hoping to compete for the win. If they ran the Giro even a week or two earlier in the season (or pushed the tour back a bit) you may get people racing both of them to win rather than using the Giro as a warm-up for the tour.

ray silvester wrote:
Grand Tour's tend to have the toughest stages towards the end and Basso tends to linger lower down the GC Order until he reaches these and so picks up less GC top 10 pts per stage than perhaps a Cuddles or Wiggo who can take advantage of an early TT.

Agreed, and with this year's Giro being more TdF like in having more sprint stages clustered at the start of the race it means Basso won't be a high scorer until the back end of the race, although I don't really expect him to win any stages, just be close enough to the winners so that he can take it in the TT. From a fantasy point of view he's consistently mediocre whereas Rodriguez and Hesjedal have provided more points earlier in the race but I suspect they'll fall away a bit in the next few stages (maybe not J-Rod but definitely Hesjedal).

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21st May 2012 - 10:29

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