Giro D'Italia


Raleigh, April 24, 2012

So, the time has come. The first Grand Tour of 2012.

No previous winner, obvs, as Contador was banned.

Grainy Thomas will make an appearance, as will the Manx Express, in an attempt to gain the last points jersey that he hasn't won.

Pinotti's leading BMC.

I think that Basso will try and do well, as will Fuglsang.

Normal Italian Wildcards and net app: Giocattoli, Colnago-CSF Inox, Farnese Vini-Selle Italia, Team NetApp.

Jose Rujano is a personal favourite

Relatively straightforward Danish TT and two stages to start with.

Would love to hear your thoughts with regards to your teams.

Scarponi will presumably go for it?

I think I prefer the Giro to the TdF. Much classier.

I don't like the way that a sprinter like Cav does the stages he feels like racing, then pulls out out of choice. That raises an eyebrow for me.

posted by londonplayer [649 posts] 24th April 2012 - 21:25

Prefer to keep my teams/opinions abit closer to my chest on this one (at least till it has started)

posted by TERatcliffe26 [2794 posts] 24th April 2012 - 21:33

I think that I prefer the Giro as well, much more low key, and more interesting stages.

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posted by Raleigh [1512 posts] 24th April 2012 - 21:42

I wish it was sooner. Love my weekends when races are on.

Don't buy upgrades. Ride up grades.

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posted by obutterwick [438 posts] 24th April 2012 - 21:49

Romandie is on this weekend Wink and it should be a good race

posted by TERatcliffe26 [2794 posts] 24th April 2012 - 22:34

Decisions decisions Thinking

Still got plenty of time to have a play about with my team and after a dismal classics season i need something special for the giro.

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posted by stumps [1552 posts] 24th April 2012 - 23:01

I have my team decided, just got to wait for the teams to put out who they are sending Devil

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posted by Gkam84 [6458 posts] 24th April 2012 - 23:37

Same, I have my team and first 2 transfers planned

posted by TERatcliffe26 [2794 posts] 25th April 2012 - 8:08

Is Vino really riding?

posted by ray silvester [775 posts] 27th April 2012 - 16:15

Thinking I went to the stages page and saw that there are two stage ones Confused I believe I am correct in saying that there are not two time trials in a row

posted by bubby016 [93 posts] 29th April 2012 - 1:41

You sure your not confusing Wink

Stage 1: Herning
Stage 2: Herning

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posted by Gkam84 [6458 posts] 29th April 2012 - 2:23

Stage 1 is a TT in Herning
Stage 2 starts in Herning, leaves and then finishes back there

posted by TERatcliffe26 [2794 posts] 29th April 2012 - 9:58

OK....Here goes

Hushovd
Thomas
DeGendt
Pozzato
Larsson
Bobridge
Phinney
Slagter
Rasmussen

posted by ray silvester [775 posts] 29th April 2012 - 12:27

Jakob Fuglsang didn't start in the 3rd stage of the 2012 Tour de Romandie because of an inflammation of the articular capsule and ligament of his left knee. The RadioShack-Nissan team management and medical staff have decided to remove the Danish rider from the team's roster for this year's Giro d'Italia. Nerd

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posted by livestrongnick [753 posts] 29th April 2012 - 15:00

TERatcliffe26 wrote:
Stage 1 is a TT in Herning
Stage 2 starts in Herning, leaves and then finishes back there

I know, but if you click on stage 1, it says it is a 9 km TT, which is correct. But, if you click on stage 2, it says the same thing, which is incorrect.

posted by bubby016 [93 posts] 29th April 2012 - 20:42

I just checked to see if I was wrong and realized that all the stages are supposedly stage 1.

posted by bubby016 [93 posts] 29th April 2012 - 20:45

I got my info from cycling fever if that makes a difference? as all seems correct on there

posted by TERatcliffe26 [2794 posts] 29th April 2012 - 20:50

The organisers don't seem to have an issue with Cav (or others) pulling out of race early, if they did they would design a route that didn't have pretty much all the sprint stages in the first half and the mountains in the second half.

I reckon there's a degree of complicity between RCS and the teams there, it's in the interests of the organisers to attract the biggest-name sprinters, but not to break them by expecting them to complete the race (in which case teams would just leave them at home).

BTW, unless they change the rules, Cav will never win the Giro points jersey - it doesn't load the points in favour of flat stages the way the TDF and Vuelta do.

I'll flag up the stage issue to Dave tomorrow unless he sees it before.

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posted by Simon_MacMichael [6264 posts] 29th April 2012 - 20:56

Simon, that's interesting. Seriously.

How come cyclists like Cav stick around to the end stage for the TdF and Vuelta but not the Giro then? Surely winning the points jersey in the Giro is just as prestigious as the 2 other grand tours?

posted by londonplayer [649 posts] 30th April 2012 - 0:30

I would guess that it simply comes down to scheduling. It's rough to finish the Giro and then have to turn around the for the Tour, but finishing the Tour is the ultimate prestige, so if you drop out of that then what are you racing for? (well, somewhat complicated by the Olympics this year, but that's another matter) As for the Vuelta, it's the last hurrah as far as Grand Tours go, so it makes sense to hang in there for the jersey.

posted by frankiejay [157 posts] 30th April 2012 - 0:51

Will teams be required to have a gc contender, sprinter, and climber like last year or are we free to pick any four star riders that we'd like?

posted by widgetkicker [31 posts] 30th April 2012 - 6:59

Surely the lure of the Champs Elysees is what entices any sprinters to stay in LeTour whilst it's a TT finale in the Giro.

posted by ray silvester [775 posts] 30th April 2012 - 7:28

Its the fact that in the Giro unless you as a sprinter won every single sprint stage, and hope the other stage in are spread around enough, then the sprinter will never have enough points to win the giro points jersey.

If im correct the TdF and the Vuelta are organized by the same organization, however the one for the Giro is different. Which is why they ultimately differ on points as the Giro doesn't share any unity with the other two GT's

posted by TERatcliffe26 [2794 posts] 30th April 2012 - 8:29

ray silvester wrote:
Is Vino really riding?

Unconfirmed as far as I can tell - Astana still have 13 riders on their "longlist". Fuglsang still listed though and he's definitely out so I'd take the list with a small pinch of salt for now - presumably all will be confirmed in a couple of days and our list will be updated.

posted by chrisdstripes [845 posts] 30th April 2012 - 8:42

widgetkicker wrote:
Will teams be required to have a gc contender, sprinter, and climber like last year or are we free to pick any four star riders that we'd like?

any four you like

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posted by Dave Atkinson [6074 posts] 30th April 2012 - 9:36

bubby016 wrote:
I just checked to see if I was wrong and realized that all the stages are supposedly stage 1.

the stage details below the scroller at the top are all correct, i've made the scroller reflect the stage you're on too now

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posted by Dave Atkinson [6074 posts] 30th April 2012 - 9:55

I've had a fiddle about with my team and basically got 3 teams sorted. All 3 are very similar except i've got a big problem with the following:

Renshaw or Goss
Pozzato or Thomas
Swift or De Gendt.

Looking at the bigger picture as well for breakaways and the time trial. Any comments would be appreciated. Thinking

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posted by stumps [1552 posts] 30th April 2012 - 14:53

I would go for Goss over Renshaw. Goss seems to be in good form with 4 2nd places and the points jersey in Tour of Turkey this week and Renshaw may be on lead-out duty for Bos rather than Rabobank's main sprinter.

I think Thomas should pick up points in the opening time trial and Sky should do well in the TTT.

De Gendt will probably pick up points in a breakaway at some stage, so would be a good choice.

I'll probably go with Thomas on the first stage TT, and transfer Goss in for the flat stages that follow.

Looking forward to the first week as there seems to be quite a lot of good value sprinters and time trialers.

Not sure who's going to win GC doesn't seem to be any outright favourites

posted by NeilG83 [135 posts] 30th April 2012 - 16:56

Taylor Phinney might go well in the TT

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posted by JAndrewHill [953 posts] 30th April 2012 - 17:34

Italians man Italians. 1199 stage wins

posted by thefatcyclist [514 posts] 30th April 2012 - 20:04

Danes man Danes they're great Danes . . . but not Fuglsang

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posted by JAndrewHill [953 posts] 30th April 2012 - 21:00

stumps wrote:
I've had a fiddle about with my team and basically got 3 teams sorted. All 3 are very similar except i've got a big problem with the following:

Renshaw or Goss
Pozzato or Thomas
Swift or De Gendt.

Looking at the bigger picture as well for breakaways and the time trial. Any comments would be appreciated. Thinking

One thing - if Cav's found form he could win 3 or 4 stages - so if its a close decision between a Sky rider and a non-Sky rider then the prospect of a few 5-point bonuses might sway it? Other than that, all of the above riders seem like good picks to me, although personally I'd see Renshaw as too much of a risk as he's not really done anything at Rabobank so far. Which is not to say he won't...

posted by chrisdstripes [845 posts] 1st May 2012 - 9:59

My usual tactic with Cav is to pick him up once he's won a stage as he usually doesn't win the first of a tour.

My team is pretty much finished but at the minute is very TT heavy so I'm not massively happy with it, currently 6/9 are picked for TT skills, the rest being sprinters. It's a gamble (I did really well in the Paris-Nice TT with this tactic) but if it doesn't pay off then I'm way out of shape for the first 5 stages or so. Will probably tweak it to add some balance as the week goes on.

posted by drheaton [2400 posts] 1st May 2012 - 10:03

Just a question. If I pick my team now and save it, will I be able to make unlimited changes to it before the race starts? Thanks.

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posted by Debarrio [75 posts] 1st May 2012 - 10:36

Yes, unlimited transfers until the first deadline.

However, the amount of changes you make may come into play should you tie for a prize (fewest transfers is one of the deciding factors in who wins it), so I wouldn't go wild with your transfers!

posted by drheaton [2400 posts] 1st May 2012 - 10:41

Thanks drheaton, Appreciate it.

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posted by Debarrio [75 posts] 1st May 2012 - 10:47

drheaton wrote:
My usual tactic with Cav is to pick him up once he's won a stage as he usually doesn't win the first of a tour.

My team is pretty much finished but at the minute is very TT heavy so I'm not massively happy with it, currently 6/9 are picked for TT skills, the rest being sprinters. It's a gamble (I did really well in the Paris-Nice TT with this tactic) but if it doesn't pay off then I'm way out of shape for the first 5 stages or so. Will probably tweak it to add some balance as the week goes on.

Mine is very similar - totally reliant on a good Prologue. 5 TTers, 2 sprinters that can prologue, and 2 other sprinters. I agree on Cav, I was initially thinking of bringing him in for stage 2, but decided yesterday I would bring in 2 DS sprinters instead and wait to see which stars look good before bringing one in for stage 3. Its not that high-risk though, provided at least a couple of guys do well in the prologue...

posted by chrisdstripes [845 posts] 1st May 2012 - 10:51

chrisdstripes wrote:
Mine is very similar - totally reliant on a good Prologue. 5 TTers, 2 sprinters that can prologue, and 2 other sprinters. I agree on Cav, I was initially thinking of bringing him in for stage 2, but decided yesterday I would bring in 2 DS sprinters instead and wait to see which stars look good before bringing one in for stage 3. Its not that high-risk though, provided at least a couple of guys do well in the prologue...

I don't know, a little rain, one crash or broken bike and all of a sudden you go from 5 top 10 finishers to nothing at all. That's risky, picking 2 TTers and 7 sprinters/ds team mates of sprinters is the safe option as you may get some points on the prologue but mainly you'll be set for the first two sprint stages and may not need to make (m)any transfers during the first week.

posted by drheaton [2400 posts] 1st May 2012 - 11:50

Well I have 4 TT DS's, 2 star TT's, a Star sprinter, a star sprinter that can TT, and a DS sprinter. Then may plan will be to take out the two Star TT's for sprinters for stage 2 leaving me 5 Sprinters and 4 others which will all be DS TT's (and for me there is a lack of depth in the DS sprinters) (although the way I have gone means I ont have the ideal DS sprinter for stgae 2, but will be in for stage 3), so going that way to me could maximise points from stage 1 and also not be too shaby for stage 2, and then can have 7 sprinters by stage 3, but then my transfers for the TTT will be to bring in people for stage 6, but from teams that should do well in the TTT.

I know I have just spilled my tatcics, but no names mentioned. And im always in a position to change my tactics. Also My DS TT's are capable of going in a break, or being in sort of the the 12-20 kinda position at the end of a sprint stage if they wish to be

posted by TERatcliffe26 [2794 posts] 1st May 2012 - 13:00

Looking at the scoring per stage, there is no information available. I believe TT & TTT do not score ? Am I correct? Surprise

Points scored on this stage

No scores are available for this stage
Information on scoring

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posted by Marky Legs [82 posts] 1st May 2012 - 13:13

It just means the scoring isn't up yet or not confirmed.

Usually for ITT stages it's standard scorgin (35 for 1st down to 1 for 20th) but with some tweaks for spring/mountain classifications, for TTTs it's usually 10 pts for each member of the 1st team down to 1pt for each of the 10th team (although that may change this year as the normal scores have done).

These stages WILL score and will be counted towards the overall, just be patient and rules will no doubt appear before too long.

posted by drheaton [2400 posts] 1st May 2012 - 13:23

Marky Legs wrote:
Looking at the scoring per stage, there is no information available. I believe TT & TTT do not score ? Am I correct? Surprise

Er, no Big Grin

Bit of a work in progress but Dave now has all the info he needs to fill in the blanks, so it's a case of 'watch this space'

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posted by Simon_MacMichael [6264 posts] 1st May 2012 - 13:24

Yeah, its risky, but I'm feeling lucky! I'll still have 6 decent sprinters in by the beginning of stage 2, and probably Cav or Goss for stage 3, so I'm hoping the worst case scenario (rain halfway through the prologue) is still not that bad. Tho' I'm willing to accept that my dire performance in the Romandie game may be an indicator that I have no idea what I'm talking about! Wink

posted by chrisdstripes [845 posts] 1st May 2012 - 13:29

chrisdstripes wrote:
Yeah, its risky, but I'm feeling lucky! I'll still have 6 decent sprinters in by the beginning of stage 2, and probably Cav or Goss for stage 3, so I'm hoping the worst case scenario (rain halfway through the prologue) is still not that bad. Tho' I'm willing to accept that my dire performance in the Romandie game may be an indicator that I have no idea what I'm talking about! Wink

I came dead last in the TdR after two shocking TTs and a a handful of even worse stages in between...

It can go two ways in my opinion, it pays off and you get 150 points, a nice lead on those who've picked sprinters and a buffer that'll allow you to move in your sprinters through stages 2, 3 and 5. The TTT also helps as you can leave in TTers with that in mind.

It can also go terribly wrong (see my 1 point for stage 1 of the TdR after picking a TTing team) and you're even more screwed as you've got no decent sprinters and no time to draft them in before the sprint stages...

It's high risk, high reward and could pay off big time so I might just load up on TTers and take the chance.

posted by drheaton [2400 posts] 1st May 2012 - 15:59

I think the key word is Balance (and having a plan in mind, that can be adjusted)
and sticking to your gut and not changing your mind based on what others may post on here (not that I do that, but alot will take tips from here)

posted by TERatcliffe26 [2794 posts] 1st May 2012 - 16:36

TERatcliffe26 wrote:
I think the key word is Balance (and having a plan in mind, that can be adjusted)
and sticking to your gut and not changing your mind based on what others may post on here (not that I do that, but alot will take tips from here)

Agreed. My main problem is that I seem to be rubbish at calling the hillier stages - so I've decided to take risks early! I'll shut up now... Big Grin

posted by chrisdstripes [845 posts] 1st May 2012 - 16:52

The TT is only a few kms so a decent sprinter or a strong ds might be a better option than an all out TTer.

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posted by stumps [1552 posts] 1st May 2012 - 18:42

Question: Am I right that GC standing after each stage earns 10-1 points?

If so and I end up with the rider who wins the TT, I may very well keep him thru stages 2-3 assuming he's somewhat unlikely to be dropped on the flats.

posted by frankiejay [157 posts] 1st May 2012 - 18:44

Well I have
A TT who finished in top 3 recently.
A star sprinter.
The must have italian DS who's really a sprinter
A wild Dane (look we need danes not italians)
A recent TT winner.
2 green TT speacialist, hopefully over injury.
A lead out for a star sprinter.
A Danish computer programmer (apparently)
A DS who's really an all rounder, bit of a TT, bit of a sprinter.
The fastest sprinter in the bunch...apparently (and that's not CAV)
A Star TT who has done well in the Giro for years.

That should be enough riders.

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posted by JAndrewHill [953 posts] 1st May 2012 - 19:25

I reckon TER will know my squad by the clues above....and probably pick 9 completely different riders to guarantee points

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posted by JAndrewHill [953 posts] 1st May 2012 - 19:27

and are any of the purists picking the star climber from last year . . . and i don't meam the Italian . . . or the dope.
(Does dope mean something good now. . . listening to will i am on the voice, dope is in)

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posted by JAndrewHill [953 posts] 1st May 2012 - 19:30

TERatcliffe26 wrote:
Well I have 4 TT DS's, 2 star TT's, a Star sprinter, a star sprinter that can TT, and a DS sprinter. Then may plan will be to take out the two Star TT's for sprinters for stage 2 leaving me 5 Sprinters and 4 others which will all be DS TT's (and for me there is a lack of depth in the DS sprinters) (although the way I have gone means I ont have the ideal DS sprinter for stgae 2, but will be in for stage 3), so going that way to me could maximise points from stage 1 and also not be too shaby for stage 2, and then can have 7 sprinters by stage 3, but then my transfers for the TTT will be to bring in people for stage 6, but from teams that should do well in the TTT.

I know I have just spilled my tatcics, but no names mentioned. And im always in a position to change my tactics. Also My DS TT's are capable of going in a break, or being in sort of the the 12-20 kinda position at the end of a sprint stage if they wish to be

2 star TTs. . . one must be De Gendt, and the other possibly swifty....sounds very similar to my squad. and there is only one DS sprinter that i've found. If I had 0.1 more money, I could bring Matt Goss in for stage 2 . . . I think Dave valued the riders perfectly to stop me doing that. . . so i may resort to Renshaw.

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posted by JAndrewHill [953 posts] 1st May 2012 - 19:36

What does everyone think of the highest placed Canadian rider at last years Tour?

Could be his best tilt at a GT we've seen?????

Also,
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posted by Raleigh [1512 posts] 1st May 2012 - 20:43

Astana seem to have confirmed their line-up if anyone's interested. No Vino or Iglinsky, but some interesting ones especially for weeks 2 and 3...

According to Cycling Fever, its...

Dyachenko, Gasparotto, Kangert, Kreuziger, Petrov, Ponzi, Seeldraeyers, Tiralongo, Zeits.

posted by chrisdstripes [845 posts] 2nd May 2012 - 8:08

No Kiserlovski? That's a surprise...

posted by drheaton [2400 posts] 2nd May 2012 - 8:40

That means i need a change.....

You are half right on my TT stars

I swear you have more than 9 riders there

I am struggling with your team, but I think I can make out that you have Larsson
One of them could be Phinney, I cant think who else is a DS that can sprint/TT
Interesting choice on the computer programmer!! too expensive for my team, but may be a decent shout
A wild Dane? im correct in saying that isn't a Star, and so think I know who that is
2 green TT specialist? If you mean a greenedge TT specialist it could be the same as mine, or it could be who I think it is.
I think I have the fastest sprinter in the bunch too

posted by TERatcliffe26 [2794 posts] 2nd May 2012 - 8:43

drheaton wrote:
No Kiserlovski? That's a surprise...

I knew there was someone else missing - yes that is a surprise - assuming Cycling Fever has the correct info which it usually does. I guess its Gasparotto and Tiralongo for stage wins and Kreuziger for GC...

posted by chrisdstripes [845 posts] 2nd May 2012 - 11:01

And no Gavazzi or Guarnieri. So Astana won't be competing in the sprints.

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posted by Debarrio [75 posts] 2nd May 2012 - 14:46

TERatcliffe26 wrote:
That means i need a change.....

I cant think who else is a DS that can sprint/TT

Nizzolo maybe??

posted by chrisdstripes [845 posts] 2nd May 2012 - 14:52

I see that Rui Costa and Quintana (MOV) are still on the roster. I'm pretty sure they won't be riding the giro.

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posted by Debarrio [75 posts] 2nd May 2012 - 15:43

Why would Quintana not be riding? He's listed on the official startlist. Rui Costa isn't

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posted by Gkam84 [6458 posts] 2nd May 2012 - 15:50

There should be a prize for the person who uses the MOST transfers. ; )

posted by DCDave (not verified) [80 posts] 2nd May 2012 - 16:56

chrisdstripes wrote:
TERatcliffe26 wrote:
That means i need a change.....

I cant think who else is a DS that can sprint/TT

Nizzolo maybe??

What about Chicci, Belletti, Ulissi ????

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posted by stumps [1552 posts] 2nd May 2012 - 17:25

Well it might be all star sprinters and all DS TT . . . initially anyway . . . TER must have picked Jacapo

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posted by JAndrewHill [953 posts] 2nd May 2012 - 18:08

and
A recent TT winner
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A lead out for a star sprinter might be the same welshman..

I reckon there are 3 green TT specialist DS . . . so i've gone for a black one instead.

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posted by JAndrewHill [953 posts] 2nd May 2012 - 18:13

Gkam84 wrote:
Why would Quintana not be riding? He's listed on the official startlist. Rui Costa isn't

Because DS Unzue says so himself:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/movistar-names-giro-ditalia-line-up
Wink

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posted by Debarrio [75 posts] 2nd May 2012 - 23:27

stumps wrote:
chrisdstripes wrote:
TERatcliffe26 wrote:
That means i need a change.....

I cant think who else is a DS that can sprint/TT

Nizzolo maybe??

What about Chicci, Belletti, Ulissi ????

Guardini?

posted by ray silvester [775 posts] 3rd May 2012 - 10:12

ray silvester wrote:
stumps wrote:
chrisdstripes wrote:
TERatcliffe26 wrote:
That means i need a change.....

I cant think who else is a DS that can sprint/TT

Nizzolo maybe??

What about Chicci, Belletti, Ulissi ????

Guardini?


Isn't Andrea a girls name?
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posted by JAndrewHill [953 posts] 3rd May 2012 - 18:29

Ok, my team is done Big Grin

Mikel Nieve (EUS)
John Gadret (ALM)
Jan Bakelants (RSN)
Roberto Ferrari (AND)
Christian Vande Velde (GRM)
Dario Cataldo (OPQ)
Mads Christensen (SAX)
Tom Leezer (RAB)
Jack Bobridge (GRE)

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posted by Gkam84 [6458 posts] 3rd May 2012 - 19:47

Swifty's gone broke his shoulder. Anyone need to make a change?

posted by chrisdstripes [845 posts] 3rd May 2012 - 20:20

chrisdstripes wrote:
Swifty's gone broke his shoulder. Anyone need to make a change?

yep...

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posted by Mikeh789 [121 posts] 3rd May 2012 - 20:46

Gkam84 wrote:
Ok, my team is done Big Grin

Mikel Nieve (EUS)
John Gadret (ALM)
Jan Bakelants (RSN)
Roberto Ferrari (AND)
Christian Vande Velde (GRM)
Dario Cataldo (OPQ)
Mads Christensen (SAX)
Tom Leezer (RAB)
Jack Bobridge (GRE)

Is that your pursuit team Wink

posted by TERatcliffe26 [2794 posts] 3rd May 2012 - 20:58

Got one last decision to make on my purist team, Rujano and Basso, Kreuziger + someone like Pozzato or Hushovd and someone like Pozzato (ie 20ish credits).

Part of me wants to load up on possible GC guys but Basso's a big question mark, I doubt he's got it in him to win another but the Giro is his race and he definitely wants it.

Any thoughts? Effectively a budget of 55.5 credits for two stars.

EDIT: Also, could pick up Cav and a 15 credit star, not sure on that one, it's hit or miss whether Cav will win 3-4 stages that he'd need to outscore a possible GC contender. Assuming 3 wins and 2 top 10s Cav might get 150 points tops, a GC guys with 3-4 top 10 places should get close to that with possible extra mountain points.

posted by drheaton [2400 posts] 4th May 2012 - 8:53

Here are my boys:

Mark Cavendish (SKY)

Geraint Thomas (SKY)

Ryder Hesjedal (GRM)

Ivan Basso (LIQ)

Domestiques

Dennis Vanendert (LOT)

Tom Jelte Slagter (RAB)

Gianni Meersman (LOT)

Arnaud Demare (FDJ)

Peter Stetina (GRM)

'It never gets easier, you just get faster.'

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posted by Tigs [1 posts] 4th May 2012 - 13:44

drheaton - Tough call - I don't envy you purists. I think Kreuziger could finish on the podium, but he could conceivably score hardly any points in the first two weeks, whereas some of the punchier climbers could score stage and GC points much earlier and end up outscoring the top finishers by the end. I think you're right on Cav - probably too many stages where he wouldn't score. And there's always a chance he'll quit halfway through to focus on the TDF...

posted by chrisdstripes [845 posts] 4th May 2012 - 13:51

I think I've made my decision and I've gone for 5 guys which should finish top 10 GC but there could potentially be 8 top 10 GC riders. Likewise a few of those should score at least one stage win but I've gone climber heavy rather than trying to pick up sprint points.

That may change though in the next 12 hours...

posted by drheaton [2400 posts] 4th May 2012 - 14:12

I think pursuits need to go for stage winners. . . Cav, Rodriguez, Rujano, Cunego . . . but who's going to win the medium hill stages?

posted by Hugh Lupus [28 posts] 4th May 2012 - 14:29

Nah, you'll find as the tour goes on that a select group of 'GC contenders' will usualy score more than the likes of Cavendish or Goss. There are 5 high mountain and 6 medium mountain (if I counted correctly) stages this year. You'd expect the top 5 GC guys to be there or there abouts for most of those. Yes some of the MM stages will be sprint/breakaway wins but some of them also have very steep finishes and could be important for the GC.

posted by drheaton [2400 posts] 4th May 2012 - 14:52

I think I am happy with my squad for stage 1, but worried that I have 17.8m in the bank still . . . .

Can i loan some of my money to another player in return for a few pts maybe? Now there's an idea for Dave. . . how about i loan GKam 10M in return for 50% of the points he scores with the riders he buys with that money . . . hey wait, that's not a good idea with GKam. . . maybe if traded with drheaton. . .

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posted by JAndrewHill [953 posts] 4th May 2012 - 16:08

I have alot left in the bank rady for transfers for stage 2 Wink we could pool our money and have an extra rider and half the points he scores for the stage

posted by TERatcliffe26 [2794 posts] 4th May 2012 - 16:15

OK, changed things a bit. The squad now includes . . .

Popular sprinter with possible sleep issues
Celtic time trialler
Cheap sprinter from northern europe. Surely Dave got his value wrong
In form cheap Italian star.
American TT specialinst, hand with a needle.
Danish TT with drug problems
Bruce, the TT specialist
Another north european TT specialist
A kiwi TT specialist

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posted by JAndrewHill [953 posts] 4th May 2012 - 16:21

JAndrewHill wrote:
OK, changed things a bit. The squad now includes . . .

Popular sprinter with possible sleep issues
Celtic time trialler
Cheap sprinter from northern europe. Surely Dave got his value wrong
In form cheap Italian star.
American TT specialinst, hand with a needle.
Danish TT with drug problems
Bruce, the TT specialist
Another north european TT specialist
A kiwi TT specialist

So, you're going TT specialist heavy then? I think I'm going the other way now, banking on sprinters who might do well in the TT but should do well in stages 2 and 3 with a view for the TTT on stage 4 too. For now anyway...

posted by drheaton [2400 posts] 4th May 2012 - 16:29

The sprinters who have the best chances to do well in the opening TT are Farrar and Bennati in my opinion.

posted by arsene [157 posts] 4th May 2012 - 16:46

My purist team consists of
6 GC riders
1 TT specialist
1 allrounder whos good at hilly stages and sprinting
and only 1 true sprinter whos good at any kind of sprint stages and specializes in TTing currently. Wink

posted by arsene [157 posts] 4th May 2012 - 16:53

JAndrewHill wrote:
OK, changed things a bit. The squad now includes . . .

Popular sprinter with possible sleep issues
Celtic time trialler
Cheap sprinter from northern europe. Surely Dave got his value wrong
In form cheap Italian star.
American TT specialinst, hand with a needle.
Danish TT with drug problems
Bruce, the TT specialist
Another north european TT specialist
A kiwi TT specialist

So 2 obvious DS's are the same as mine, think I will have a DS TT that alot of others wont go for. so youve gone Gasparotto then. Cheap sprinter from northern europe??? if your on about who I think, he is part of my strategy to come in for stage 2. Celtic TT if I know who you mean, I have him too.

posted by TERatcliffe26 [2794 posts] 4th May 2012 - 17:01

I've gone for mainly an Iranian team, UCI points rich!

Also though, I have one rider whose middle names are: Nicki Sylvest

Devil

And one other rider who:
is a Danish professional road bicycle racer for UCI ProTeam Team Saxo Bank. He started his cycling career racing for Ordrup Cycle Club in the north of Copenhagen, and was reckoned to be a very talented climber and skilled all-rounder. As a teenager he joined Team PH, which later changed its name to Team GLS, where he rode with Matti Breschel and Chris Anker Sørensen, both of whom were also later teammates with him at Team Saxo Bank. He turned professional in 2007 with Team CSC, as the Saxo Bank team was then known.

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posted by Raleigh [1512 posts] 4th May 2012 - 18:02

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posted by Gkam84 [6458 posts] 4th May 2012 - 22:34

Haha - it's not Gasparotto

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posted by JAndrewHill [953 posts] 4th May 2012 - 23:05

here's my final clue, I have 2 riders in the first half of tomorrows startlist and the other 7 in the second half

posted by TERatcliffe26 [2794 posts] 4th May 2012 - 23:20

Have the stage prizes been announced anywhere. . . if the prize for stage 1 is a pair of socks and stage 2's is a bike, i might pick more sprinters. . .

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posted by JAndrewHill [953 posts] 4th May 2012 - 23:54

I'm still sticking with my team above Big Grin

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posted by Gkam84 [6458 posts] 5th May 2012 - 0:39

Lezyne goodies for the stage winners... Details today

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posted by Dave Atkinson [6074 posts] 5th May 2012 - 7:25

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posted by JAndrewHill [953 posts] 5th May 2012 - 10:18

Raleigh wrote:

And one other rider who:
is a Danish professional road bicycle racer for UCI ProTeam Team Saxo Bank. He started his cycling career racing for Ordrup Cycle Club in the north of Copenhagen, and was reckoned to be a very talented climber and skilled all-rounder. As a teenager he joined Team PH, which later changed its name to Team GLS, where he rode with Matti Breschel and Chris Anker Sørensen, both of whom were also later teammates with him at Team Saxo Bank. He turned professional in 2007 with Team CSC, as the Saxo Bank team was then known.

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posted by JAndrewHill [953 posts] 5th May 2012 - 10:19

Right off to work, Good luck everyone Wink

Geraint Thomas (SKY)
Filippo Pozzato (FAR)
Daniele Bennati (RSN)
Theo Bos (RAB)

Adriano Malori (LAM)
Alex Rasmussen (GRM)
Gustav Erik Larsson (VCD)
Taylor Phinney (BMC)
Jesse Sergent (RSN)

21.5 left in my budget for sprint transfers Big Grin

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posted by livestrongnick [753 posts] 5th May 2012 - 11:17

JAndrewHill wrote:
Raleigh wrote:

And one other rider who:
is a Danish professional road bicycle racer for UCI ProTeam Team Saxo Bank. He started his cycling career racing for Ordrup Cycle Club in the north of Copenhagen, and was reckoned to be a very talented climber and skilled all-rounder. As a teenager he joined Team PH, which later changed its name to Team GLS, where he rode with Matti Breschel and Chris Anker Sørensen, both of whom were also later teammates with him at Team Saxo Bank. He turned professional in 2007 with Team CSC, as the Saxo Bank team was then known.

Thinking

No, born June ninth.

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posted by Raleigh [1512 posts] 5th May 2012 - 11:25

My team consists of virtually all sprinters with one or two already picked for the hillier stages. The TT is only a short one so it should not cause to much problem for the sprinters.

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posted by stumps [1552 posts] 5th May 2012 - 11:33

I think you'll find 8km on your own for a sprinter is a long way, I don't expect to see them in the top 20

Raleigh, you are learning this deception nicely, but it still lacks a little, because the guy with a birthday on 9th June didn't turn pro until 2009 with Saxo. Wink

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posted by Gkam84 [6458 posts] 5th May 2012 - 12:12

There is one sprinter I expect to be in the top 20 Wink

posted by TERatcliffe26 [2794 posts] 5th May 2012 - 12:46

With 45 mins to go i will post my team, anyone who wants to copy go ahead but if you haven't decided your team yet then oh dear Crying

Marco Pinotti (BMC)
Matthew Goss (GRE)
Geraint Thomas (SKY)
Enrico Gasparotto (AST)
Peter Kennaugh (SKY)
Diego Ulissi (LAM)
Taylor Phinney (BMC)
Manuel Belletti (ALM)
Stef Clement (RAB)

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posted by stumps [1552 posts] 5th May 2012 - 12:46

I hope noone else has picked. . .

Mark Cavendish (SKY)
Geraint Thomas (SKY)
Theo Bos (RAB)
Sacha Modolo (COG)
Taylor Phinney (BMC)
Alex Rasmussen (GRM)
Jack Bobridge (GRE)
Stef Clement (RAB)
Jesse Sergent (RSN)

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posted by JAndrewHill [953 posts] 5th May 2012 - 13:31

Mine is heavily reliant on the TT - will be transferring 2 more sprinters in for tomorrow...
Just noticed I have 6 the same as you J Andrew Hill - fingers crossed right?

Farrar
Bennati
Thomas
Bos
Phinney
Rasmussen
Larsson
Bobridge
Sergent

posted by chrisdstripes [845 posts] 5th May 2012 - 13:42

As I predicted JAndrewHill you had Modolo, as he is due in my team for tomorrow, and the other 4 I thought were the same as who I have are
And as predicted none of you so far have gone for 1 of the riders I have

Goss (GRE)
Thomas (SKY)
Bennati (RSN)
De Gendt (VCD)

Rasmussen (GRM)
Phinney (BMC)
Demare (FDJ)
Clement (RAB)
Tuft (GRE)

posted by TERatcliffe26 [2794 posts] 5th May 2012 - 13:50

Seems a few names are appearing over and over

Marzio Bruseghin (MOV)
Thor Hushovd (BMC)
Geraint Thomas (SKY)
Romain Feillu (VCD)
Gustav Erik Larsson (VCD)
Alex Rasmussen (GRM)
Stef Clement (RAB)
Arnaud Demare (FDJ)
Taylor Phinney (BMC)

I already have my changes ready for the next few days aswell if everything today and tomorrow go to plan Nerd

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posted by Gkam84 [6458 posts] 5th May 2012 - 13:54

TERatcliffe26 wrote:
As I predicted JAndrewHill you had Modolo, as he is due in my team for tomorrow, and the other 4 I thought were the same as who I have are
And as predicted none of you so far have gone for 1 of the riders I have

Goss (GRE)
Thomas (SKY)
Bennati (RSN)
De Gendt (VCD)

Rasmussen (GRM)
Phinney (BMC)
Demare (FDJ)
Clement (RAB)
Tuft (GRE)

I was going for tuft, but replaced him with Rasmussen, with the plan to bring Goss in tommorrow - which i couldn't do with Tuft filling the second green place. But demare is interesting - he could do well tomorrow i think,

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posted by JAndrewHill [953 posts] 5th May 2012 - 15:19

Not done as well as I would have liked today!
1,2,3 but everyone has them
But will have 5 sprinters for tomorrow, as my plan always involved bringing in the two star sprinters you have, left the correct credits in the bank for it

posted by TERatcliffe26 [2794 posts] 5th May 2012 - 18:29

1 T PHINNEY (BMC) 10:26
2 G THOMAS (SKY) 10:35
3 A RASMUSSEN (GRM) 10:39
4 M BOARO (SAX) 10:41
5 E G LARSSON (VCD) 10:48
6 R NAVARDAUSKAS (GRM) 10:48
7 B LANCASTER (OGE) 10:49
8 M PINOTTI (BMC) 10:50
9 J SERGENT (RNT) 10:52
10 N OLIVEIRA (RNT) 10:53

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posted by Raleigh [1512 posts] 5th May 2012 - 18:34

Cool 158 i thinks Devil Big Grin bring it!!

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posted by livestrongnick [753 posts] 5th May 2012 - 18:34

I had 1,2,3,8 and 9.

AND PROBABLY LOADS OF OTHERS

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posted by Raleigh [1512 posts] 5th May 2012 - 18:35

11 BODNAR Maciej POL LIQ 10:55 0:29
12 HESJEDAL Ryder CAN GRM 10:55 0:29
13 KWIATKOWSKI Michal POL OPQ 10:55 0:29
14 CATALDO Dario ITA OPQ 10:57 0:31
15 NIZZOLO Giacomo ITA RNT 10:58 0:32
16 DE GENDT Thomas BEL VCD 10:58 0:32
17 TUFT Svein CAN OGE 10:59 0:33
18 VERMOTE Julien BEL OPQ 10:59 0:33
19 MALORI Adriano ITA LAM 10:59 0:33
20 SABATINI Fabio ITA LIQ 11:00 0:34
21 KREUZIGER Roman CZE AST 11:02 0:36
22 FARRAR Tyler USA GRM 11:02 0:36
23 KANGERT Tanel EST AST 11:02 0:36
24 COLEDAN Marco ITA COG 11:02 0:36
25 ROBERTS Luke AUS SAX 11:03 0:37
26 FLECHA GIANNONI Juan Antonio ESP SKY 11:03 0:37
27 BALLAN Alessandro ITA BMC 11:05 0:39
28 KEIZER Martijn NED VCD 11:05 0:39
29 BAKELANTS Jan BEL RNT 11:07 0:41
30 VELITS Martin SVK OPQ 11:07 0:41
31 INTXAUSTI ELORRIAGA Benat ESP MOV 11:08 0:42
32 ROSSELER Sebastien BEL GRM 11:09 0:43
33 IMPEY Daryl RSA OGE 11:09 0:43
34 BRUSEGHIN Marzio ITA MOV 11:09 0:43
35 VAN WINDEN Dennis NED RAB 11:09 0:43
36 ROHREGGER Thomas AUT RNT 11:09 0:43
37 STANNARD Ian GBR SKY 11:09 0:43
38 BRANDLE Matthias AUT APP 11:09 0:43
39 FELLINE Fabio ITA AND 11:10 0:44
40 VANDEVELDE Christian USA GRM 11:10 0:44
41 STETINA Peter USA GRM 11:11 0:45
42 DE GREEF Francis BEL LTB 11:12 0:46
43 MORENO FERNANDEZ Daniel ESP KAT 11:12 0:46
44 URAN URAN Rigoberto COL SKY 11:12 0:46
45 EISEL Bernhard AUT SKY 11:12 0:46
46 CASAR Sandy FRA FDJ 11:12 0:46
47 TIRALONGO Paolo ITA AST 11:13 0:47
48 CARUSO Damiano ITA LIQ 11:13 0:47
49 CAVENDISH Mark GBR SKY 11:13 0:47
50 SAMOILAU Branislau BLR MOV 11:13 0:47
51 AGNOLI Valerio ITA LIQ 11:14 0:48
52 KRISTOFF Alexander NOR KAT 11:14 0:48
53 CAPECCHI Eros ITA LIQ 11:15 0:49
54 BENNATI Daniele ITA RNT 11:15 0:49
55 KENNAUGH Peter GBR SKY 11:15 0:49
56 HUSHOVD Thor NOR BMC 11:15 0:49
57 HUZARSKI Bartosz POL APP 11:15 0:49
58 HERRADA LOPEZ Jose' ESP MOV 11:15 0:49
59 HOLLENSTEIN Reto SUI APP 11:16 0:50
60 MEERSMAN Gianni BEL LTB 11:16 0:50
61 KEUKELEIRE Jens BEL OGE 11:16 0:50
62 SLAGTER Tom Jelte NED RAB 11:17 0:51
63 DE MARCHI Alessandro ITA AND 11:17 0:51
64 MEIER Christian CAN OGE 11:17 0:51
65 VICIOSO ARCOS Angel ESP KAT 11:17 0:51
66 LEEZER Thomas NED RAB 11:18 0:52
67 GOLAS Michal POL OPQ 11:18 0:52
68 BULGAC Brian NED LTB 11:18 0:52
69 SCHORN Daniel AUT APP 11:18 0:52
70 RABOTTINI Matteo ITA FAR 11:18 0:52
71 VENTOSO ALBERDI Francisco J. ESP MOV 11:19 0:53
72 DE CLERCQ Bart BEL LTB 11:19 0:53
73 TOSATTO Matteo ITA SAX 11:19 0:53
74 NIERMANN Grischa Jan GER RAB 11:19 0:53
75 AMADOR BIKKAZAKOVA Andrey CRC MOV 11:19 0:53
76 BROWN Graeme AUS RAB 11:19 0:53
77 VEIKKANEN Jussi FIN FDJ 11:19 0:53
78 DYACHENKO Alexsandr KAZ AST 11:20 0:54
79 COLBRELLI Sonny ITA COG 11:20 0:54
80 POZZOVIVO Domenico ITA COG 11:21 0:55
81 BILLE Gaetan BEL LTB 11:21 0:55
82 GOSS Matthew Harley AUS OGE 11:21 0:55
83 HAEDO Lucas Sebastian ARG SAX 11:22 0:56
84 PAUWELS Serge BEL OPQ 11:22 0:56
85 FRANK Mathias SUI BMC 11:22 0:56
86 FAVILLI Elia ITA FAR 11:22 0:56
87 JORGENSEN Jonas Aaen DEN SAX 11:23 0:57
88 LAGUTIN Sergey UZB VCD 11:23 0:57
89 ULISSI Diego ITA LAM 11:23 0:57
90 DENIFL Stefan AUT VCD 11:24 0:58
91 SMUKULIS Gatis LAT KAT 11:24 0:58
92 SELVAGGI Mirko ITA VCD 11:24 0:58
93 MONTAGUTI Matteo ITA ALM 11:24 0:58
94 OROZ UGALDE Juan Jose ESP EUS 11:24 0:58
95 HAEDO Juan Jose' ARG SAX 11:25 0:59
96 SZMYD Sylvester POL LIQ 11:25 0:59
97 PAGANI Angelo ITA COG 11:25 0:59
98 SEUBERT Timon GER APP 11:25 0:59
99 BANDIERA Marco ITA OPQ 11:25 0:59
100 SEELDRAYERS Kevin BEL AST 11:25 0:59
101 BOBRIDGE Jack AUS OGE 11:26 1:00
102 BRUTT Pavel RUS KAT 11:26 1:00
103 MARCZYNSKI Tomasz POL VCD 11:26 1:00
104 DELAGE Mickael FRA FDJ 11:27 1:01
105 BATTAGLIN Enrico ITA COG 11:27 1:01
106 IGNATYEV Mikhail RUS KAT 11:28 1:02
107 HENAO MONTOYA Sergio Luis COL SKY 11:29 1:03
108 MOUREY Francis FRA FDJ 11:29 1:03
109 MAES Nikolas BEL OPQ 11:29 1:03
110 CUNEGO Damiano ITA LAM 11:29 1:03
111 PETROV Evgeni RUS AST 11:29 1:03
112 SERPA PEREZ Jose Rodolfo COL AND 11:30 1:04
113 RIGHI Daniele ITA LAM 11:30 1:04
114 SCHILLINGER Andreas GER APP 11:31 1:05
115 TXURRUKA Amets ESP EUS 11:31 1:05
116 HERMANS Ben BEL RNT 11:31 1:05
117 LOCATELLI Stefano ITA COG 11:31 1:05
118 PIRAZZI Stefano ITA COG 11:31 1:05
119 BALLONI Alfredo ITA FAR 11:31 1:05
120 GARATE Juan Manuel ESP RAB 11:32 1:06
121 BONNET William FRA FDJ 11:32 1:06
122 ROLLIN Dominique CAN FDJ 11:32 1:06
123 PONZI Simone ITA AST 11:32 1:06
124 DIETZIKER Andreas SUI APP 11:33 1:07
125 HANSEN Adam AUS LTB 11:33 1:07
126 WYSS Danilo SUI BMC 11:33 1:07
127 RUJANO GUILLEN Jose' VEN AND 11:33 1:07
128 KAISEN Olivier BEL LTB 11:35 1:09
129 FERRARI Roberto ITA AND 11:35 1:09
130 BEPPU Fumiyuki JPN OGE 11:36 1:10
131 CARRARA Matteo ITA VCD 11:36 1:10
132 DE NEGRI Pier Paolo ITA FAR 11:36 1:10
133 GAZVODA Gregor SLO ALM 11:37 1:11
134 LOSADA ALGUACIL Alberto ESP KAT 11:37 1:11
135 PARDILLA BELLON Sergio ESP MOV 11:37 1:11
136 BENEDETTI Cesare ITA APP 11:38 1:12
137 DUPONT Hubert FRA ALM 11:38 1:12
138 GUSTOV Volodymir UKR SAX 11:39 1:13
139 HUNT Jeremy GBR SKY 11:39 1:13
140 SANTAMBROGIO Mauro ITA BMC 11:39 1:13
141 SELLA Emanuele ITA AND 11:40 1:14
142 IZAGUIRRE INSAUSTI Jon ESP EUS 11:40 1:14
143 PERGET Mathieu FRA ALM 11:40 1:14
144 FAILLI Francesco ITA FAR 11:41 1:15
145 KUSCHYNSKI Aleksandr BLR KAT 11:42 1:16
146 BOS Theo NED RAB 11:42 1:16
147 SPEZIALETTI Alessandro ITA LAM 11:43 1:17
148 BERARD Julien FRA ALM 11:43 1:17
149 BONO Matteo ITA LAM 11:44 1:18
150 LONGO BORGHINI Paolo ITA LIQ 11:45 1:19
151 NIEMIEC Przemyslaw POL LAM 11:45 1:19
152 NIEVE ITURALDE Mikel ESP EUS 11:45 1:19
153 RASCH Gabriel NOR FDJ 11:45 1:19
154 GATTO Oscar ITA FAR 11:45 1:19
155 TSCHOPP Johann SUI BMC 11:46 1:20
156 RUBIANO CHAVEZ Miguel Angel COL AND 11:46 1:20
157 VANENDERT Dennis BEL LTB 11:46 1:20
158 SAEZ DE ARREGUI Adrian ESP EUS 11:46 1:20
159 RENSHAW Mark AUS RAB 11:46 1:20
160 PIETROPOLLI Daniele ITA LAM 11:47 1:21
161 CHICCHI Francesco ITA OPQ 11:47 1:21
162 DEMARE Arnaud FRA FDJ 11:48 1:22
163 LUND Anders DEN SAX 11:48 1:22
164 BELLETTI Manuel ITA ALM 11:49 1:23
165 BONNAFOND Guillaume FRA ALM 11:51 1:25
166 ZAUGG Oliver SUI RNT 11:52 1:26
167 GUARDINI Andrea ITA FAR 11:53 1:27
168 LASTRAS GARCIA Pablo ESP MOV 11:53 1:27
169 MINGUEZ AYALA Miguel ESP EUS 11:53 1:27
170 SANTAROMITA Ivan ITA BMC 11:53 1:27
171 BRAMBILLA Gianluca ITA COG 11:54 1:28
172 CABEDO Victor ESP EUS 11:55 1:29
173 FEILLU Romain FRA VCD 11:56 1:30
174 GASTAUER Ben LUX ALM 11:56 1:30
175 CHRISTENSEN Mads DEN SAX 11:56 1:30
176 MAZZANTI Luca ITA FAR 11:58 1:32
177 RODRIGUEZ Jackson VEN AND 11:58 1:32
178 ZEITS Andrey KAZ AST 11:59 1:33
179 SALERNO Cristiano ITA LIQ 12:00 1:34
180 CAZAUX Pierre FRA EUS 12:04 1:38
181 OCHOA Carlos Jose' VEN AND 12:05 1:39
182 VELASCO MURILLO Ivan ESP EUS 12:10 1:44

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posted by Raleigh [1512 posts] 5th May 2012 - 18:38

your missing a few. 198 riders today Thinking

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