5 point bonus for team members

by londonplayer   April 24, 2012  

I think I'm right in saying that I've played Fantasy Cycling since it started - 2010? - and I just wanted to pitch something.

The points scoring system has changed a lot since last year. You now get 50 points for a first place over 20 last year. I think that was a good idea to change it so that when you guess the winner, you get a really high score, deservedly so. But I think I'm right in saying that you still only get 5pts for a team member which is exactly the same as the old scoring system. Surely you should get 10 points?

What does everyone else think? If you get 10 points for last man home, then.....

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It's only 50 points for one day races, stage races 35 for the winner.

I agree the 5 points is low compared to last man home but it's an added extra and not something most people plan for really. It's useful but not terrible as it is.

Personally I'd like to see 5, 4, 3, 2 and 1 points for the team members of the top 5 (or maybe 5, 3 and 1 for top 3) as they do just as much work as the winners team in most cases.

Again, it'd be a nice bonus but I don't think it'd affect the game overly much by changing it or keeping it the same.

posted by drheaton [3429 posts]
24th April 2012 - 11:29

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When we go back to stages I think 5 will seem adequate. I did score quite a few points this way in the classics. Maybe 6/7 races I got it. Only Gerrans win in the MSR caught me out. The last man home is irrelevant now and only happens by chance.

As for extra points for 2nd and 3rd team members I think it overcomplicates things a bit, but at the end of the year it could be put forward.

posted by Alan Tullett [1437 posts]
24th April 2012 - 15:33

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5 points is fair, because if you think about it, Its far easier to pick a couple of riders from each team, so 4 stars with a chance of winning and 4 team mates of them.

Last place home is purely luck, your not going to pick a rider just because you think they will come home last, if your playing that tactics then your never going to get big points. Look at me lately, most of the classic's i had 2nd last home, not because i picked a rider to come in last, just luck, then i got 10 points in LBL

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posted by Gkam84 [8825 posts]
24th April 2012 - 15:53

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Gkam84 wrote:
5 points is fair, because if you think about it, Its far easier to pick a couple of riders from each team, so 4 stars with a chance of winning and 4 team mates of them.

Last place home is purely luck, your not going to pick a rider just because you think they will come home last, if your playing that tactics then your never going to get big points. Look at me lately, most of the classic's i had 2nd last home, not because i picked a rider to come in last, just luck, then i got 10 points in LBL

You lucky bugger! I've had the penultimate one a couple of times but never the last. I don't know why we bother having it now as there's nothing tactical in it like team members.

posted by Alan Tullett [1437 posts]
24th April 2012 - 22:17

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Is Cav too expensive to pick if you're going for last man home? Big Grin Big Grin Big Grin
And should you get =5 pts if you pick a rider from the same team as last man home. . .

So all those who picked Wiggo for Romandie today would get -5. lol

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posted by JAndrewHill [1225 posts]
26th April 2012 - 19:01

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Pate home again last today, same as yesterday Wink

But if you wanted more bonus's, what about taking the 10 points for last place, scrapping that and replacing it with 5 points for every rider home in the last group

So Romandie today would have been

Pate, Cav and Roy. Anymore than 10 riders in the last group and no-one scores Devil

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posted by Gkam84 [8825 posts]
26th April 2012 - 19:11

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Gkam84 wrote:
Last place home is purely luck, your not going to pick a rider just because you think they will come home last, if your playing that tactics then your never going to get big points. Look at me lately, most of the classic's i had 2nd last home, not because i picked a rider to come in last, just luck, then i got 10 points in LBL

It's luck in one-day races, but not necessarily in stage races. There were a couple of times last year (when we had the old lanterne rouge system) that you knew that a rider who had suffered a bad crash but was determined to ride on was going to have an absolute mare the following day. I know I picked up 10 points a couple of teams through that.

Tactically, you could argue that selecting such a rider (for a potential 10 points) has a greater chance of success than selecting a domestique to make up the numbers simply because his team mate has a chance of winning the stage.

With the scoring now on last man on the stage, there might be more of those tactical switches going on in the Grand Tours.

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posted by Simon_MacMichael [8020 posts]
26th April 2012 - 19:17

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It's also useful as a barometer of potential breakaway performance.

I picked up a Sanchez during the Tour of Catalunya who got last place one day and was in the breakaway the next.

posted by drheaton [3429 posts]
26th April 2012 - 19:28

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Correct me if im wrong, but wasn't last years 10 points based on last in the GC, not on each stage, therefore was easier to predict. Now its more luck than judgement

posted by TERatcliffe26 [3888 posts]
26th April 2012 - 20:00

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TERatcliffe26 wrote:
Correct me if im wrong, but wasn't last years 10 points based on last in the GC, not on each stage, therefore was easier to predict. Now its more luck than judgement

Yup but I'm talking about situations when a new rider took over the overall lanterne rouge slot after he'd had a crash or whatever the day before, and taken it gently and come in last on the stage the next day.

That will still happen at times, and if you've picked such a rider when it does, that's judgment, not luck Wink

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posted by Simon_MacMichael [8020 posts]
26th April 2012 - 20:04

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drheaton wrote:
It's also useful as a barometer of potential breakaway performance.

I picked up a Sanchez during the Tour of Catalunya who got last place one day and was in the breakaway the next.

Mark my words and come back to berate me if i'm wrong tomorrow

Jeremy Roy, Tour de Romandie, he's a known break guy and has good climbing legs. So unless he is ill, he'll be in the break tomorrow.

But yeah, its slightly more difficult now its not based on GC, which makes it harder and its down to luck, out of the three guys today, it could have been any one of them that their timing chip rolled over the line last Wink

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posted by Gkam84 [8825 posts]
26th April 2012 - 21:01

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