Boonen for 4 in a row? Who will shine in place of Cancellara? The 'Hell of the North' beckons.

by Alan Tullett   April 1, 2012  

With Cancellara out (I'm sure we all wish him a speedy recovery) who is going to challenge OPQ and Boonen?

I'm keeping Boonen and Pozzato and maybe Sagan if he rides, but the 4th eludes me. Thoughts anyone? Doesn't have to be the real rider you're going to pick if you don't want to give too much away Wink Wink .

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is peter sagan and florencio out for definite?

posted by londonplayer [671 posts]
4th April 2012 - 17:12

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Peter not definitely out, he's still listed as a sub, but no Flo

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posted by Gkam84 [8639 posts]
4th April 2012 - 17:46

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thanks gkam

posted by londonplayer [671 posts]
4th April 2012 - 17:46

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I'd hold off on making any changes if you can, because i see a few riders that are in the Vuelta Ciclista al Pais Vasco, so might not ride P-R

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posted by Gkam84 [8639 posts]
4th April 2012 - 17:47

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Gkam84 wrote:
Peter not definitely out, he's still listed as a sub, but no Flo

Oh shit. I might have 5 not in P-R and 4 transfers. Please ride Peter, forget all I said about overdoing it!

On the leaving-it-late front; some crashes in Scheldeprijs as well. Maybe some more broken collarbones.

Kittel won from Farrar by the way.

posted by Alan Tullett [1423 posts]
4th April 2012 - 17:56

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Unlucky Alan, I've got 6 transfers and only 4 none riders so far Devil

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posted by Gkam84 [8639 posts]
4th April 2012 - 18:15

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4 of my riders are 'greyed out', but if i pick replacements now, they'll cry off with a bit of a cold.
Crying Crying Crying Angry Angry Angry

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posted by JAndrewHill [1206 posts]
4th April 2012 - 18:51

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allezrider wrote:
Provisional start list at http://www.letour.fr/2012/PRX/RIDERS/us/engages.html. Looks like I'm going to need all my transfers...

Me too. I don't get this.

Why is Van Avermaet 'grayed out' in the game when he appears in the provisional start list as riding?...

And why would Liquigas put in Sagan as a substitute instead of a primary rider?

Voeckler, Florencio and Sabatini had a decent race at Flanders... why aren't they riding Roubaix?...

And why is Vandenbergh a substitute?

And why aren't Hoste and Devolder riding?... Crap!...

What's going on?...

You know who I am.

posted by orli [76 posts]
4th April 2012 - 22:28

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sagan, preliminary as they dont want to over do it, but injuries mean he should ride

again with others, they dont want to over do it, and remember the next 3 after roubaix all occur within a week!

Its tough, i planned well though, Devolder and Sagan not racing, but planned for that and know my 4 transfers so long as no injuries occur

posted by TERatcliffe26 [3749 posts]
4th April 2012 - 22:32

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And why aren't Hoste Hoste's team are not invited so he along with Canc are definitely out. We'll see about the others in a few more days. No-one should confirm their team till Sat night unless they have to.

I hope Florencio rides though, but it was always going to be difficult to second-guess the team managers and Canc's injury has changed everything.

posted by Alan Tullett [1423 posts]
5th April 2012 - 7:54

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I very much doubt Florencio will ride Alan. He's not listed as a sub, So i think he'll be resting

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posted by Gkam84 [8639 posts]
5th April 2012 - 11:49

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Currently looking at

Goss
Boonen
EBH
Pozzato
VanMarcke
Van Summeren
Wynants
Boeckmans
Sutton

1 transfer left so may switch Wynants/Boeckmans if no-one else pulls out.

posted by silas chime [207 posts]
5th April 2012 - 13:11

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It looks like I might have a greyed-out DS then, but it's not the worst thing as only 2 of my 5 DSs have scored in any stage of the Classics so far. This is a competition where the stars really are the stars.

posted by Alan Tullett [1423 posts]
5th April 2012 - 17:45

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abudhabiChris said it last year:

abudhabiChris wrote:
I understand... we have unlimited transfers and categories [for the World Championships], which is good... and maybe how the Classics should work next year in my view... with nothing other than a 2 per team limit)... can you... confirm... we will have unlimited transfers... between them [the two world championship evemts]?

And drheaton said it, too:

drheaton wrote:
... Perhaps losing the 4/5 split could be something that is added... next year?

I'm up for having unlimited transfers and getting rid of the limits and restrictions on star riders and DSs if only for the Classics...

You know who I am.

posted by orli [76 posts]
5th April 2012 - 19:41

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Riders should worry if I pick them.. they either crash or win. Had two crashes and 1st & 2nd last week. 4 transfers may not be enough Crying

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posted by ragtag [152 posts]
6th April 2012 - 11:21

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I've no choice, as I wasn't with the programne and missed the 4 transfer rule, so I have Sagan and Canc out, my DS is a mess. But waiting till morning of race, because its going to rain, and I suspect withdrawals.

posted by thefatcyclist [558 posts]
6th April 2012 - 13:23

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Do you get free transfers if picked riders withdraw now (I've used all transfers already).

Matti Breschel is looking doubtful. Sad

posted by veseunr [276 posts]
6th April 2012 - 19:59

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veseunr wrote:
Do you get free transfers if picked riders withdraw now (I've used all transfers already).

Matti Breschel is looking doubtful. Sad

Thats why you make your transfers on the night before the race.

Lesson Learnt, I hope. Devil Devil

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posted by Raleigh [1727 posts]
6th April 2012 - 20:03

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Whats with all these people wanting free transfers now rides have dropped out injured or for whatever reason.

Its a transfer limit for a reason, or else why not just give everyone unlimited

posted by TERatcliffe26 [3749 posts]
6th April 2012 - 22:24

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Agreed, although I don't remember nearly this many people asking this last year.

Perhaps the rules, or just the communication of the rules re the classics, could be looked at for next year. Personally I have no real issues with how its being implemented this year and know full well that I don't get free transfers for greyed out riders but I don't really care because I bothered to pick riders with a good chance of riding both the Tour of Flanders and the Paris-Roubaix.

posted by drheaton [3428 posts]
6th April 2012 - 22:40

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Has anybody else picked up on Grieple being taken to hospital on Thursday? He's still showing on the start list (not that that means anything yet). Sagan (P) is no longer showing as a reserve either, unless they're going to swap him in for his bro and hope nobody notices!

posted by allezrider [47 posts]
6th April 2012 - 23:06

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allezrider wrote:
Has anybody else picked up on Grieple being taken to hospital on Thursday? He's still showing on the start list (not that that means anything yet). Sagan (P) is no longer showing as a reserve either, unless they're going to swap him in for his bro and hope nobody notices!

Not noticed, but he wont be anywhere near my team anyway. Toying between a few options now leukemans is out.

Think they did that with the sagans on a race earlier (not one on the game, maybe E3 or one like that)

posted by TERatcliffe26 [3749 posts]
6th April 2012 - 23:20

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Provisional team picked, got 30 credits left, could easily "upgrade" Flecha and Ballan for EBH and Hushovd but not sure its really worth it, something to mull over before the deadline.

posted by drheaton [3428 posts]
7th April 2012 - 8:42

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I can understand why people are asking for additional transfers. Three of my riders who rode in Tour of Flanders aren't riding tomorrow - Sagan, Florencio and Cancellera. Luckily, I've been able to swap them out for riders who I wanted to put in in any case.

The question therefore is presumably - should you automatically be given an additional free transfer for each rider that is greyed out? You would then though give an unfair competitive advantage to teams like mine. I would effectively have 7 transfers.

On the basis that the Pro Teams are potentially selecting completely different teams for the ride tomorrow, everyone should get 9 transfers. It seems bad that people should score lower because they haven't been able to transfer people in. Failing that, greyed out riders should be given a +1 transfer.

I'm open to comments/observations on this.

posted by londonplayer [671 posts]
7th April 2012 - 12:58

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drheaton wrote:
Provisional team picked, got 30 credits left, could easily "upgrade" Flecha and Ballan for EBH and Hushovd but not sure its really worth it, something to mull over before the deadline.

Personally I'd stick with what you've got, probably my choice as well but waiting to make sure everyone I want is really going to ride. Using up credits isn't that important.

posted by Alan Tullett [1423 posts]
7th April 2012 - 13:02

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londonplayer wrote:
I can understand why people are asking for additional transfers. Three of my riders who rode in Tour of Flanders aren't riding tomorrow - Sagan, Florencio and Cancellera. Luckily, I've been able to swap them out for riders who I wanted to put in in any case.

The question therefore is presumably - should you automatically be given an additional free transfer for each rider that is greyed out? You would then though give an unfair competitive advantage to teams like mine. I would effectively have 7 transfers.

On the basis that the Pro Teams are potentially selecting completely different teams for the ride tomorrow, everyone should get 9 transfers. It seems bad that people should score lower because they haven't been able to transfer people in. Failing that, greyed out riders should be given a +1 transfer.

I'm open to comments/observations on this.

Yeh but thats just the luck of the draw, why should someone have say 7 transfers to my 4 just because they have more greyed out riders?
Everyone has the same 4 transfer rule
I planned well (1 rider greyed out) have 4 transfers, could have had 6 if i had wanted to save from last time as as i only needed to make 1 change, but chose to make more.

There is no way it would be fair just to hand out transfers for greyed out riders, that woud be unfair.

I also wouldn't say they are completely changing rosters, defo less than 50% of riders have changed. And some have been unfortunate/enforced in the case of leukemans nad breschel due to injury

So its either the way it is, with transfers which is fine by me as it makes it tactical, the harder the better, why make it easy? Or have unlimited transfers.
And if i didnt have a full team then that would be tough, as its the current rules.

posted by TERatcliffe26 [3749 posts]
7th April 2012 - 14:18

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Alan Tullett wrote:
drheaton wrote:
Provisional team picked, got 30 credits left, could easily "upgrade" Flecha and Ballan for EBH and Hushovd but not sure its really worth it, something to mull over before the deadline.

Personally I'd stick with what you've got, probably my choice as well but waiting to make sure everyone I want is really going to ride. Using up credits isn't that important.

In the end I decided greater strength in depth was worth more than two big names. Final team is:

Boonen, Ballan, Flecha, Pozzatto, Vansummeren, Devolder, Paolini, Iglinsky, Willems with 14 credits left. Ideally I should have saved some transfers as my 4 pre Flanders were all poor but c'est la vie.

posted by drheaton [3428 posts]
7th April 2012 - 15:43

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Nice team drheaton, very similar to mine, I have 3 different riders to you

posted by TERatcliffe26 [3749 posts]
7th April 2012 - 21:32

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After 4 of the last 5 stages have been nothing short of utter s*** for me, especially as i spent hours working out my teams so i'm not sure if i want to continue as i've gone from 1st in my region to 8th Crying

Picked my team for tomoro so will wait and see what happens. Gone for;

EBH
Boonen
Thor
Flecha
Steegmans
Iglinsky
Wynants
Vanmarcke
Guarnieri.

If you must break the law, do it to seize power: in all other cases observe it. Gaius Julius Caesar.

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posted by stumps [2638 posts]
7th April 2012 - 22:49

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Thor Hushovd (BMC)
Tom Boonen (OPQ)
Pablo Lastras (MOV)
Filippo Pozzato (FAR)
Johan Vansummeren (GRM)
Kris Boeckmans (VCD)
Valentin Iglinksiy (AST)
Maarten Tjallingii (RAB)
Stijn Vandenbergh (OPQ)

Ok thats my team

I made a couple of changes last minute (now) just in from the pub, so i may regret them, I was going to have, so you can all slate me if these guys win

Heinrich Haussler and Maxim Iglinsky instead of Pozzato and Tjallingii Thinking

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posted by Gkam84 [8639 posts]
8th April 2012 - 3:12

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