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Yes Appollonio and Swift are sprinters but they are not going to be in the same class as Cav, Griepel and Goss (at least not this season) so should be reclassed as DS just as Bouhanni was in Oman yet he did better than Cav.
I appreciate it then comes down to the organisers deciding who is a star and who isn't which is making more work for them. It's difficult
My point was that where Sky are competing but Cav isn't in the squad Swift or Appollonio will be a sprinter and therefore where Dave et al are setting categories at the start of the season they need to sprinters. The fact that they're not in the same class is irrelevant, that's why they're cheaper!
Based on my provisional team for the Paris-Nice having a cap of 4 stars rather having to have 4 would actually be great and mean I don't have to pick Viviani
If Viviani wasn't there, I'm pretty sure alot of people would be mumping more about the star riders
Its the price hike for some i find annoying, just cause they went up a hill on a stage a couple of times with the big guys, doesn't make him a star, Taaramae is 27.7 this year, thats going to put people off him for a start, ok he was great last season when he got the chance, but he's not a star yet and them just because Roy was in aload of breaks and climbed a few mountains, he's now 23.3
Totally agree with Gkam, as for viviani, i will say he is in my paris-nice team as i expect him to top 3 on stage 2, but ive had to plan the rest of my team so i can have enough credits to get him out after that stage as its id say another 7 credits needed to put in another so called star rider that is likely to score any points throughout the rest of the race. So none of my star riders will be above 30 credits, as an average of mid/high 20's for just 4 riders is not alot as you cant really have a high 30's guy and a decent team due to the lack of 10-20 credited star riders compared to the overall number of credits
hey man you know you dont need no ticket you just get on board .... .... ....
Have to agree with you on that. I used them a lot last year but probably won't this. But we'll have to look for the new star domestiques. Gallopin has already done well, even though I had him in the wrong tour.
Think the restricted points cuts down on the options for DSs which was a big part of the fun last year, as we all know who the star riders are. It's discovering new riders and having them come good that gives me the greatest buzz. Like coming downstairs on Stage 2 of the TDU and finding out W Clarke had gone on a break and won. I'm pretty sure his 65 points is the highest individual score on a stage so far. I was on cloud 9 all day. I'd be reluctant to spend too much on a DS now until I'm sure they're going to score a bit.
One option would be to keep the game more or less the same with maybe a few less star riders and have separate budgets for star and domestique riders.
Maybe 100 for 4 stars and 50 for 5 domestiques with some of the stars becoming more expensive domestiques around about 15 points e.g. Roy, Taaramae and maybe a few others.
Any changes would have to be for next year of course.
As the Tours get more interesting these problems might seem less important. Recently it's only been worthwhile to pick about 4 out of 8/9 sprinters and AR riders. Soon it won't be so simple.
I agree, bumping the likes of Roy and Taaremae up to star rider status soesn't sit well with me, making them more expensive I agree with but possibly making them 20 credit DSs might have worked better.
Of course with the 4 and 5 split as it is it would be very difficult to fit any DS over, say, 18 credits into your team and still be able to pick anything like a half decent set of star riders. I have three 10-15 credit DSs in my provisional P-N team but to fit them in I've had to pick two sub-15 credit stars. Trying to fit one or two 20 credit DSs into my team really wouldn't work as it stands.
It's a bit early in the season to be suggesting changes though and I'm looking forward to seeing how things work out over the first lots of proper week long tours (with a mix of sprints and climbs rather than the flat ToQ and ToO) and the Giro, that'll be the real test of the new rules and I think if they work well for the Giro, TdF and Vuelta alot of the quirks that are thrown up during the shorter tours and classics can, and will, be forgiven.
This is a free, fun to play GAME! If you don't like it, don't play it.
Mate, your right this is a game, but if you take the time to look and read through the comments and see who submitted them you will see people who play the game on a regular basis, many since its inception, and who are offering ideas on how to make the game easier and more fun for everyone.
Point taken ?
There is ALWAYS ONE, do us ALL a favour, go read the above posts, no-one is saying they don't like it, yes its a game.
But as some of us played last year aswell and can see the changes and differences between both, we are merely commenting on them and suggesting possible changes for the future of this years game or next years
I you dont like what you read, DON'T REPLY
Just to say I'm a new player and I find it fairly straightforward, and the star riders thing isn't at all off-putting. It would be easier to pick the riders I want if you were allowed to choose either 3 or 4 star riders, but its the same rules for everyone and I'm really enjoying the research trying to suss out the relative merits of the cheaper domestiques. My modest aim for Paris-Nice is top 10 in East Anglia - bring it on!
I am a newbie but have picked up the game easily. I havn't followed cycling before and ive scored solid results average 140 finish top 100 on my second race found it really easy to pick up so Im all for the current set up.
My point, too bluntly put (apologies), was that this is just intended to be a bit of fun. There are various different forms the game could take, each of us has a different idea of what that may be. The rules, however, are the same for everyone so if there is a handicap or grey area it is the same for each player. I have played each year and am crap each time so I propose a system like horse racing where peolpe who do well are penalised! What, no takers.....
I like it!
In all seriousness we're not complaining about how the game works or the rules we're just trying to make suggestions on how to improve it.
The game is still relatively new and over time the rules will settle down and become consistent from year to year but while things are changing and while Dave is still open to suggestions some of us are providing feedback on how we think the game can be improved.
What's excellent about this game and road.cc is that they're willing to listen and act on these suggestions. You only have to look at my 'suggestions for 2012' thread from the back end of last year to see just how involved the players are and how much they want to help the game develop.
Even if nothing changes the fact that these ideas are considered by the guys behind the scenes is great and a huge plus for the game.
The reverse of last year, were good performers got bonuses as their riders value & team spend increased, by the end of the Giro I had close to 200pts to build my team instead of 175pt or so for most people.
For good reason it was removed for this season.
Happy to have handicapping system that is fair, because the top overall performers this year contain a lot of familiar names from last year. Losing a couple of points from the team budget for good performances in a race, should be enough.
Totally agree, I started the topic, because the 4 star rider rule made picking a team slightly more difficult for me. I wanted to see if other players thought the same and if enough players felt the same them hopefully Dave and the team behind the game would remove it some time in the future.
I was real happy to see the feedback from lots of players saying no, particularly from new players chrisdstripes & Dylan Churchill
The one issue that was raised here was the increase in number of star riders and that something needs to be done in the future.
We give feedback good & bad, because we enjoy playing the game and want to make it better. Sometimes our ideas are adopted, other times it is not.
The reverse of last year, were good performers got bonuses as their riders value & team spend increased, by the end of the Giro I had close to 200pts to build my team instead of 175pt or so for most people.
For good reason it was removed for this season.
Happy to have handicapping system that is fair, because the top overall performers this year contain a lot of familiar names from last year. Losing a couple of points from the team budget for good performances in a race, should be enough.
Totally agree, I started the topic, because the 4 star rider rule made picking a team slightly more difficult for me. I wanted to see if other players thought the same and if enough players felt the same them hopefully Dave and the team behind the game would remove it some time in the future.
I was real happy to see the feedback from lots of players saying no, particularly from new players chrisdstripes & Dylan Churchill
The one issue that was raised here was the increase in number of star riders and that something needs to be done in the future.
We give feedback good & bad, because we enjoy playing the game and want to make it better. Sometimes our ideas are adopted, other times it is not.
Do keep suggesting stuff as well. It's not like i'm the all-seeing eye or anything. just trying to make a game that's as good as possible.
It's just a game, damnit!
(please don't kill me )
Yeah, I liked this idea:
Or maybe give one extra transfer to the bottom 10% of the teams, as an incentive to stay and compete. I don't know. It would work for me!
Just to say one thing i would like to see brought in to the game is more stage rankings eg in ones local area there is a position each stage rather than just overall in the year
How about jerseys? Like, say I score in the top ten or twenty on a sprint stage, ( ) give 10 points to the person who had the most points down to 1 for 10th. Same with mountains. Then, when you click on my team, you can see where you are in the standings and who leads them. Another crazy idea
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