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jjlm [3 posts] 5 years ago
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I don't know where's my message...  3 I'll try again.

How does "Winning rider's team" 5 points bonus works? by UCI teams or by nationality?

For example, Nibali and Bennati will ride in the same team (Italy) or not (Liquigas - Leopard)?

Thanks in advance. I think it's very important to know this point...

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Gkam84 [9099 posts] 5 years ago
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Still to be put up, but i think there might be a switch from teams to nation's before the start and if that happens you'll only be able to pick two from each nation, but not a clue, Dave's keeping his cards close to his chest with this one

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stewieatb [296 posts] 5 years ago
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On a related note, this is the scoring given for the World TT:

Finish line: Points awarded on the line of a stage or day race. First across the line gets 20 points, down to 1 point for 20th position

Breakaway bonus: 5 points to any rider in a lead breakaway of less than 10 riders that's away at half distance

Team bonus: 5 points to every participating rider in the winning rider's team

How will you be judging who's in the breakaway, Dave?  3

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Gkam84 [9099 posts] 5 years ago
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The same as any other break in a one day, If 10 or less guys are away at half way then they get 5 points

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stewieatb [296 posts] 5 years ago
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Read it again Gkam, that's scoring given for the TIME TRIAL  10

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Gkam84 [9099 posts] 5 years ago
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Oh yeah, oppps, Well i want to judge it and the break away will be formed of my 9 riders  20

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TERatcliffe26 [4698 posts] 5 years ago
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i also think categories should be scrapped (especially for the TT) and we should be able to pick two riders from each nationality

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Gkam84 [9099 posts] 5 years ago
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Nah, Categories should stand, that way you can't fill your team with the AR TT specialists  3

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TERatcliffe26 [4698 posts] 5 years ago
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yh but none of the sprinters will be in the TT

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Gkam84 [9099 posts] 5 years ago
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I think there will be a handful of them

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Gkam84 [9099 posts] 5 years ago
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It just depends on the ranking, not all can put in a big team and the likes of Luxembourg can only enter the Schelcks

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stewieatb [296 posts] 5 years ago
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Don't the countries have to enter a 14-man squad, and select their riders for each event from there? So they'll probably have to enter some sprinters but none of them will do particularly well...

Edit: 14 is a ballpark figure, I can't remember how many it actually is.

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stewieatb [296 posts] 5 years ago
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Well, you're only allowed to enter as many people in each race as the number of your nationals who have gained World Tour ranking points - so Luxembourg can enter two people if only Frandy have points.

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Simon_MacMichael [2481 posts] 5 years ago
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Not quite - since Luxembourg are in top 10 of World Tour, they are guaranteed 6 places in the road race, even though they only have the 2 riders with ranking points. GB ended up with 3 last year because we were outside top 10  26

List of how many riders qualified per country here:

http://www.uci.ch/Modules/BUILTIN/getObject.asp?MenuId=MTI2Mjc&ObjTypeCo...

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Gkam84 [9099 posts] 5 years ago
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Nice work Simon, been looking for that kinda list for a while, BUT

Eritrea 5 enrolled of whom 3 starters
Islamic Republic of Iran 9 enrolled of whom 6 starters

Do these country's even have enough to fill them out?

Its like this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_national_road_cycling_championships

How long do you have to be a citizen of Aruba to enter their cycling championship  19

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Tuarts [6 posts] 5 years ago
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Ever heard of Tarbiz Petrochemical CT? Mehdi Sohrabi who has more wins than Cavendish this year? Bit insulting questioning whether they can fill out a team. Same applies for Eritrea, one of the strongest national teams on the Africa Tour.

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Tuarts [6 posts] 5 years ago
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stewieatb wrote:

Well, you're only allowed to enter as many people in each race as the number of your nationals who have gained World Tour ranking points - so Luxembourg can enter two people if only Frandy have points.

No, Read the rules:

However, a nation with fewer than 9
riders classified in the individual UCI WorldTour ranking on 15 August 2011 shall start
the number of riders that are classified. A nation with fewer than 6 riders classified in
the UCI WorldTour ranking will, nonetheless, start 6 riders

http://www.uci.ch/Modules/BUILTIN/getObject.asp?MenuId=MTkzNg&ObjTypeCod...

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Gkam84 [9099 posts] 5 years ago
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No sorry i haven't, but i looked them up, so Sohrabi races on the UCI Asia Tour, we get NO coverage of that in this country and nor do we get any Africa tour

Are you trying to tell me that Sohrabi is better than Cav??

I didn't mean to insult anyone, it was a genuine question as i dont know much about Iran and Eritrea cycling wise and the later is not surprising because of this

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In its 2010 Press Freedom Index, Reporters Without Borders classified the media environment in Eritrea at 175 out of 175, the lowest possible rating, and below that of totalitarian North Korea at 174

BUT i looked up the cycling and found this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tour_of_Eritrea

If it wasn't so damn hot over there, i dare say i could cover 700 miles in 10 stages, not taking away from it, i love to see cycling being the most popular sport in a country and it also says they have nearly 100 professional eritrean cyclists, BUT how many could even cope with a one day race like the Milan – San Remo?? I use that because its not far off the length of the world champ course

So now i want to know DAVE, will i be able to pick an Eritrean cyclist in my team?

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Tuarts [6 posts] 5 years ago
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Gkam84 wrote:

No sorry i haven't, but i looked them up, so Sohrabi races on the UCI Asia Tour, we get NO coverage of that in this country and nor do we get any Africa tour

So it doesn't exist then? Of it has no relevance at all? I see no coverage where I am either but this is the internet age, results are everywhere and whilst yeah, I don't look specifically all the time for stage results from Asia or Africa either, I am open to checking out results of cycling everywhere, not just just focused solely on the World Tour.

Gkam84 wrote:

Are you trying to tell me that Sohrabi is better than Cav??

Did I say that? I said he had more victories than Cav.

Gkam84 wrote:

I didn't mean to insult anyone, it was a genuine question as i dont know much about Iran and Eritrea cycling wise and the later is not surprising because of this

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In its 2010 Press Freedom Index, Reporters Without Borders classified the media environment in Eritrea at 175 out of 175, the lowest possible rating, and below that of totalitarian North Korea at 174

BUT i looked up the cycling and found this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tour_of_Eritrea

If it wasn't so damn hot over there, i dare say i could cover 700 miles in 10 stages, not taking away from it, i love to see cycling being the most popular sport in a country and it also says they have nearly 100 professional eritrean cyclists, BUT how many could even cope with a one day race like the Milan – San Remo?? I use that because its not far off the length of the world champ course

You're not paying any attention to what I wrote. You posted that you don't think they have enough riders to fill squads of 6 and 3. I showed it was clearly a belligerent ignorance viewpoint, that these nations have been doing well on their own Continental Tour and have more than enough riders who can race. I gave you an example of Iranian rider who has done well this season and I mentioned that the Eritrean teamhave been racing well on the Africa Tour, not what their countries media standards are, not how many cyclists they have registered with the UCI. Actually get off Wiki and look. The UCI site has all the race for this season here and you can find results on CQRanking like for this year's La Tropicale Amissa Bongo here

Your flippant statements about the heat directly contradicts your your third sentence. Why are you trying to hold them to the same pedestal as WorldTour riders? Again, I was only mentioning them in the context of their respective Continental Tours and being more than capable of filling riders for in the spots allocated, I never got into discussing whether they can last long or at all in the WC with cyclists from the bigger nations but then that's not really the point of the World Champs to begin with, nor the point I was originally raising.

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dave atkinson [6299 posts] 5 years ago
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to answer the original question, there will be *no* team bonus in the TT and the bonus for the the road race will be based on *national* teams

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TERatcliffe26 [4698 posts] 5 years ago
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so dave does that mean we can pick say four sky riders? so long as only two are of the same nationality?

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drheaton [3318 posts] 5 years ago
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dave_atkinson wrote:

to answer the original question, there will be *no* team bonus in the TT and the bonus for the the road race will be based on *national* teams

No team bonus for the TT is actually quite a good rule and I'd like to see that brought in for every ITT next year.

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dave atkinson [6299 posts] 5 years ago
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drheaton - duly noted. doesn't really make sense in an ITT

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dave atkinson [6299 posts] 5 years ago
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TERatcliffe26 wrote:

so dave does that mean we can pick say four sky riders? so long as only two are of the same nationality?

nope. the game logic is all written so that you can only have two riders from one team. so that rule still applies for the worlds.

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drheaton [3318 posts] 5 years ago
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dave_atkinson wrote:
TERatcliffe26 wrote:

so dave does that mean we can pick say four sky riders? so long as only two are of the same nationality?

nope. the game logic is all written so that you can only have two riders from one team. so that rule still applies for the worlds.

So does that mean the game will stop me from having Cav, Geraint Thomas and Wiggins if that's what I want?

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TERatcliffe26 [4698 posts] 5 years ago
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i think that means we will be able to do that drheaton

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dave atkinson [6299 posts] 5 years ago
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yes you will.

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drheaton [3318 posts] 5 years ago
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Sorry, got a little confused as team bonuses will be done by nation but limits are in place by team. Glad I can stock up on Brits, Belgians and Norwegians though, that's useful.

This is probably something that could be improved on for next year, especially with the Olympics (which I hope will be included in the fantasy comp). Limiting people to two per nation and scrapping limits per 'pro team' would be better for World Champs and Olympic events.

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dave atkinson [6299 posts] 5 years ago
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Sorry, got a little confused as team bonuses will be done by nation but limits are in place by team

not as confused as i'll be when i do the scores, no doubt  1

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drheaton [3318 posts] 5 years ago
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Also, when I've been looking at previous top 10s for the TT there are some riders in there who aren't in the current full rider lists. I assume that once the final teams are announced they'll be added in?

EDIT: Scratch that, the guys retired.

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