TdF Stage 2

by Gkam84   July 3, 2011  

Thats the TTT underway

1. GARMIN 24.48 (5 men)
2. BMC 24.52 (7 men)
3. SKY 24.52 (5 men)
4. LEOPARD-TREK 24.53 (5 men)
5. HTC 24.53 (6 men)
6. RADIOSHACK 24.58 (7 men)
7. RABOBANK 25.00 (7 men)
8. SAXO BANK 25.16 (6 men)
9. ASTANA 25.20 (7 men)
10. OMEGA PHARMA 25.27 (7 men)
11. FDJ 25.34 (7 men)
12. EUROPCAR 25.38 (7 men)
13. AG2R 25.41 (8 men)
14. QUICK STEP 25.44 (6 men)
15. LIQUIGAS 25.45 (6 men)
16. SAUR-SOJASUN 25.50 (6 men)
17. LAMPRE 25.52 (5 men)
18. KATUSHA 25.52
19. MOVISTAR 25.57 (9 men)
20. VACANSOLEIL 26.03 (7 men)
21. COFIDIS 26.08 (8 men)
22. EUSKALTEL 26.10 (6 men)

I'll update times as they finish and reorder them, but no running commentary from me again, trying to encourage others to join in, so feel free, but i've got the times covered Big Grin

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Come on Garmin-Cervelo and Thor! Applause

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posted by Argy [147 posts]
3rd July 2011 - 13:39

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I want to see Sky, HTC, Garmin and Omega in the top 4, but i guess if you rider is dropped from the team, your not going to score the same as the team

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posted by Gkam84 [9039 posts]
3rd July 2011 - 13:44

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Garmin-Cervelo is on fire! Hypnotized

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posted by Argy [147 posts]
3rd July 2011 - 13:44

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Not really, if you see the teams that went ahead, hardly the favourites times they are beating, wait till the big guns come at the end and then see how the times hold up

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posted by Gkam84 [9039 posts]
3rd July 2011 - 13:47

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Gkam84 wrote:
Not really, if you see the teams that went ahead, hardly the favourites times they are beating, wait till the big guns come at the end and then see how the times hold up

Fair point! I am just hopeful! I have Thor in my team! strategic change! Day Dreaming

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posted by Argy [147 posts]
3rd July 2011 - 13:49

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Yeah i have him aswell, but i cant see that time standing up to Sky and HTC

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posted by Gkam84 [9039 posts]
3rd July 2011 - 13:52

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Yeah i have him aswell, but i cant see that time standing up to Sky and HTC

Time will tell geezaaaaaaaa! Wink (lets hope you are wrong for the sake of both our fantasy teams! Big Grin )

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posted by Argy [147 posts]
3rd July 2011 - 13:56

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My teams alright, i have 2 sky, 2 htc, 2 garmin and 2 omega Big Grin

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posted by Gkam84 [9039 posts]
3rd July 2011 - 13:58

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Gkam84 wrote:
My teams alright, i have 2 sky, 2 htc, 2 garmin and 2 omega Big Grin

GET IN THOR!!!! Big Grin

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posted by Argy [147 posts]
3rd July 2011 - 14:33

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I hate TTTs

posted by Stefan [58 posts]
3rd July 2011 - 14:34

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Boost, Bernie Eisel down on 1st corner, i know a few people have him in their team cause they couldn't afford Tony Martin Devil

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posted by Gkam84 [9039 posts]
3rd July 2011 - 14:38

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Boost, Bernie Eisel down on 1st corner, i know a few people have him in their team cause they couldn't afford Tony Martin Devil

Eisel is in my team! G1!! Angry

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posted by Argy [147 posts]
3rd July 2011 - 14:46

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All my "2nd" men for the teams seem to have been dropped apart from HTC, who are sitting in 4th with BMC looking good to beat them and Omega dying

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posted by Gkam84 [9039 posts]
3rd July 2011 - 15:10

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Gkam84 wrote:
All my "2nd" men for the teams seem to have been dropped apart from HTC, who are sitting in 4th with BMC looking good to beat them and Omega dying

Come on Thor! Applause Laughing

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posted by Argy [147 posts]
3rd July 2011 - 15:24

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Top 10 overall

Hushovd
Miller
Evans 1 sec
Thomas 4 sec
Gerdemann 4 sec
F Schleck 4 sec
Cancellara 4 sec
Hagen 4 sec
Quinziato 4 sec
A Schleck 4 sec

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posted by Gkam84 [9039 posts]
3rd July 2011 - 15:25

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Anyone know who crossed the line first for Garmin? It's 10 extra points for that right?

posted by drheaton [3429 posts]
3rd July 2011 - 15:58

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I had it as Thor

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posted by Simon_MacMichael [8498 posts]
3rd July 2011 - 16:01

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Cool, I had a look on le tour website but they're yet to post the individual stage standings.

posted by drheaton [3429 posts]
3rd July 2011 - 16:07

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I'm not convinced that it's right not to award points to riders who are dropped in every case. For example Garmin used a couple of riders to drive on the pace really hard early on then having them drop off after 10 km where the fresher riders could take over, moreover, what about Zabriskie who died at the end with less than 100 m left. I don't know what time he got but I'd guess it was quicker than the Omega-Pharma team time. Obviously this was part of their strategy and without killing these riders they would probably have had a slower time overall.

OTOH Eisel clearly did nothing for HTC and by binning it most likely cost them the win, it's almost a certainty that someone as strong as him would have saved them 6 seconds over 25 km.

Then what about Spartacus? He came bloody close to winning a TTT by himself. For sure he should get all Frank Schleck's points as Schleck did the square root of f all.

Ok so that last paragraph was a bit tongue in cheek but it's definitely true that some teams owe their finish position to riders who weren't in the first group over the line.

posted by Swirly [63 posts]
3rd July 2011 - 16:13

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I'm not convinced that it's right not to award points to riders who are dropped in every case. For example Garmin used a couple of riders to drive on the pace really hard early on then having them drop off after 10 km where the fresher riders could take over, moreover, what about Zabriskie who died at the end with less than 100 m left. I don't know what time he got but I'd guess it was quicker than the Omega-Pharma team time. Obviously this was part of their strategy and without killing these riders they would probably have had a slower time overall.

OTOH Eisel clearly did nothing for HTC and by binning it most likely cost them the win, it's almost a certainty that someone as strong as him would have saved them 6 seconds over 25 km.

Then what about Spartacus? He came bloody close to winning a TTT by himself. For sure he should get all Frank Schleck's points as Schleck did the square root of f all.

Ok so that last paragraph was a bit tongue in cheek but it's definitely true that some teams owe their finish position to riders who weren't in the first group over the line.

Swirly, great post! you cracked me up! Rolling On The Floor Rolling On The Floor Rolling On The Floor

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posted by Argy [147 posts]
3rd July 2011 - 16:18

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Going off the letour website it seems Dave Zabriskie dropped one second on Hushovd so the top 3 should have read: (1) 5 Garmin Riders. (2) Dave Zabrisike @ 1 sec. (3) 7 BMC riders @ 4sec.

Julian Dean would be another good example, broke himself over the first 8 km or so for the good of the team, without that effort he could most likely of stayed with them when they finished in 4th place. Compare and contrast to a plausible scenario for tomorrow: Bernie Eisel, anxious to make amends after spending the night being chased by Cav with a fondue fork, does his normal sterling effort hammering along at the front of the peloton and pulling off in the last few km to finish a couple of minutes down. The HTC train does its work well and Cav wins. Eisel gets 5 points for Cav's win.

I don't actually have any of the mentioned riders, I just think it's an interesting point worthy of disscusion.

posted by Swirly [63 posts]
3rd July 2011 - 16:35

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Swirly wrote:
I'm not convinced that it's right not to award points to riders who are dropped in every case. For example Garmin used a couple of riders to drive on the pace really hard early on then having them drop off after 10 km where the fresher riders could take over, moreover, what about Zabriskie who died at the end with less than 100 m left. I don't know what time he got but I'd guess it was quicker than the Omega-Pharma team time. Obviously this was part of their strategy and without killing these riders they would probably have had a slower time overall.

As long as the dropped riders finish within the time limit they DO get points for the final position of the team.

posted by Wig_Billy [577 posts]
3rd July 2011 - 16:55

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Wig_Billy wrote:

As long as the dropped riders finish within the time limit they DO get points for the final position of the team.

You're right, I'm completely mis-remembering what happened in the Giro TTT.

Apparently Frank Schleck swallowed a bee, having once done this with a wasp I also retract my previous statement about him. Chapeau to him to stick on the back of a fast train after that.

Still Bernie Eisel didn't really deserve any points did he...

posted by Swirly [63 posts]
3rd July 2011 - 18:16

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Swirly wrote:

Still Bernie Eisel didn't really deserve any points did he...

Just for the comedy value then i say yes, but i would have loved to see him put Cav in the barriers Devil

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posted by Gkam84 [9039 posts]
3rd July 2011 - 21:36

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I am feeling a little smug as i picked Velits as my highroad guy . . . whoopy doo

J Andrew Hill

Its a marathon, not a snickers

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posted by JAndrewHill [1229 posts]
3rd July 2011 - 22:34

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