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Okay, so we want to run a season-long compo next year which will take in the three grand tours and some other races too. But which races?

It's been suggested that the classics are a good place to start. here's the classics list off of wikipedia:

Milan – San Remo (Italy)
Ronde van Vlaanderen (Belgium)
Gent–Wevelgem (Belgium)
Paris–Roubaix (France)
Amstel Gold Race (Netherlands)
Flèche Wallonne (Belgium)
Liège–Bastogne–Liège (Belgium)
Gent-Wevelgem (Belgium)
Clásica de San Sebastián (San Sebastian Classic) (Spain)
Paris–Brussels (France/ Belgium)
Paris–Tours (France)
Giro di Lombardia (Italy)

Others under consideration are:

Tour Down Under
Tirreno Adriatico
Tour of California
Tour de Suisse
Dauphiné Libéré
World Champs

The idea would be to have a season-long compo with the three grand tours available as a standalone event too. sound good? any more suggestions? the more the merrier.

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JC [155 posts] 5 years ago
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I liked the fantasy TdF last year. But the Vuelta was a pain in the backside - I'd prefer to keep it simple without the riders 'prices' changing all the time.  7

Obviously, with the press coverage, it is easier to track and manage for the Grand Tours, a season long com (in addition to the stand alone comps sounds good)  3

I'd imagine that a lot of team changes/ transfers between events would be required as teams and team rosters change a lot between races.  26

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Fringe [1047 posts] 5 years ago
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the list of races sounds good to me, possibly to much as it means i will be spending even more time than my wife deems necessary at this computer sorting out transfers, great!

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jova54 [644 posts] 5 years ago
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As a complete road racing novice I really enjoyed the fantasy events and I'm looking forward to doing better next year.

Would it be possible to offer the chance to have more than one entry per User Name?

I liked the idea of having a fixed team for the Vuelta but I also manted to be in the GC but was too lazy to set up an alternative User Name.

Given the issues with the changes you made for the Vuelta, perhaps maintaining the same rider value throughout a race but updating the values between races. This would mean that you would have to limit the selected events to those which don't clash.

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LabMonkey [97 posts] 5 years ago
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I have posted on the forum a number of times about the 2011 season long game, but I will add my thoughts here again.

In my opinion, the classics, the three grand tours and the world champs are a must. These are typically the biggest races of the year.

Trying to incorporate many of the week long stage races may prove problematic as some overlap. Especially if you consider three other important stage races - Paris-Nice, Tour de Pologue and the Eneco Tour.

I think you should give a starting budget at the start of the season which can be increased/decreased over the course of the season with good/bad transfers.

Keep the fluctuating prices between stages for all the stage races.

Impose price increases for say the top 20 in a one day race.

Any 'money' made from good performances in a race then carrys over and adds to the budget for next race in the calender.

Just my two cents...

Can't wait for the game to begin!

LabMonkey / Jon

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dave atkinson [6139 posts] 5 years ago
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I think we can safely say that we'll be picking races that don't overlap, as i'm not keen on making too much work for myself  1

here's some thoughts from my brain:

1) it *won't* be possible to enter more than one team per user account, sorry. it's too difficult to control

2) there will be unlimited changes between different races, and limited transfers available during stage races

3) rider values will probably continue to change, possibly based on a simpler formula than before, but we won't be complicating our lives with overengineered team pickers that, erm, don't work very well.

4) i reckon 3 grand tours + classics + worlds + a couple of the more interesting week tours is the way to go. dauphiné, tour de suisse maybe

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LabMonkey [97 posts] 5 years ago
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dave_atkinson wrote:

i reckon 3 grand tours + classics + worlds + a couple of the more interesting week tours is the way to go. dauphiné, tour de suisse maybe

Deal - That sounds great!

Maybe add the Tour Down Under to break up the January boredom.

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James Warrener [1080 posts] 5 years ago
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You want to try and add something different from the other online management games such as those listed below...

http://www.depontieu.net/cobble/
http://velogames.com/
http://fantasy.cycling-games.com/game/

...I agree with going for the big classics and tours but unlimited transfers between races means most people could end up with a pretty similar team.

How about picking a team in Jan and having an May and August transfer window?

Of course it would make it a lower scoring competition but it will make it more equal for those who dont have time to make loads of transfers regularly.

It might increase the skill factor if you have less opportunities to put bad decisions right.

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dave atkinson [6139 posts] 5 years ago
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hmm. but surely there's as much skill in making good transfers as there is in making good initial selections?

maybe we could run a similar transfer strategy in the spring classics, say, as we do in the big tours, so you can't change your whole team every time.

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James Warrener [1080 posts] 5 years ago
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That would work for me.

So it is like a transfer window rather than wholesale changes.

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LabMonkey [97 posts] 5 years ago
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dave_atkinson wrote:

hmm. but surely there's as much skill in making good transfers as there is in making good initial selections?

maybe we could run a similar transfer strategy in the spring classics, say, as we do in the big tours, so you can't change your whole team every time.

How about four transfers between each classic then? Just like on rest days during the Vuelta game?

That way we will need to pick an all round 'classics team' but it will also allow some specificity for each race.

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dave atkinson [6139 posts] 5 years ago
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sounds like it might be a plan  1

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LabMonkey [97 posts] 5 years ago
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dave_atkinson wrote:

sounds like it might be a plan  1

Just had a thought though... most teams don't send the same riders to all of the classics, so you would need to decide whether to give free transfers (out of our teams) to riders who are not seleced by their tems to race a subsequent classic.

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dave atkinson [6139 posts] 5 years ago
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nah, think you'll just have to own that one  1

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dave atkinson [6139 posts] 5 years ago
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to expand on that rather flippant statement, what i'm looking for is an elegant and simple solution to the problems of transferring riders throughout the season and during the grand tours, and the solution i'm leaning towards is:

1) limited transfers between classics
2) limited transfers within stage races
3) a free transfer window before each grand tour, as many changes as you want
4) no free transfers within stage races for riders that drop out - you just gotta pick a new one

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henryrobertshaw1 [38 posts] 5 years ago
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couldn't you just select an entire squad of say 20-25 riders at the start of the season, then have a limited number of transfers per month to make up for injuries etc...

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dave atkinson [6139 posts] 5 years ago
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henryrobertshaw1 wrote:

couldn't you just select an entire squad of say 20-25 riders at the start of the season, then have a limited number of transfers per month to make up for injuries etc...

Well, yes. but there are some issues with doing that. specifically, we'll be running the three grand tours as separate competitions as well as incorporating them into an overall year-long game.

So if you come in just for the TdF and you pick a squad/team then, you're at a big advantage over someone who's been playing since january; it's not a level playing field.

We think we're close to a solution on that though. we're thinking it through right now  1

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James Warrener [1080 posts] 5 years ago
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Two games ?

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LabMonkey [97 posts] 5 years ago
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Has the final decision on races and rules been made yet?

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dave atkinson [6139 posts] 5 years ago
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Not yet. but we'll firm it up in the next couple of weeks and make an announcement about it on the site. I *can* tell you that...

1) it will be a season long game and separate games for the three grand tours, which will count toward your overall season

2) it'll kick off with the Milan-San Remo

more soon!

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LabMonkey [97 posts] 5 years ago
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It must be almost time for some more information on the game - I am itching to get my provisional team list underway.

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James Warrener [1080 posts] 5 years ago
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haha, me too.

I have some riders in mind.

Really trivial Dave but on the football one on www.premierleague.com and on one of the online cycling ones (sorry can't remember which one), you can design a kit.

Can we have a kit design for our team?

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JC [155 posts] 5 years ago
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 37 V. bored at work today.
Any news on the games?

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James Warrener [1080 posts] 5 years ago
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Just picked my team over on Cobblestone... This is for up to the first transfer window in March.

If I could replicate that in the game on here I would be happy with that squad.

Position Rider
1 Nibali Vincenzo [Liquigas - Doimo]
2 Cavendish Mark [Team Htc - Columbia]
3 Schleck Andy [Team Saxo Bank]
4 Porte Richie [Team Saxo Bank]
5 Tondo Volpini Xavier [Cervélo Test Team]
6 Hoogerland Johnny [Vacansoleil Pro Cycling Team]
7 Wiggins Bradley [Sky Professional Cycling Team]
8 Löfkvist Thomas [Sky Professional Cycling Team]
9 Burghardt Marcus [Bmc Racing Team]
10 Hinault Sébastien [Ag2R - La Mondiale]
11 Swift Ben [Sky Professional Cycling Team]

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LabMonkey [97 posts] 5 years ago
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I think they are ignoring us... we are the supergeeks of the bike world! Haha

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James Warrener [1080 posts] 5 years ago
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It looks that way...

I can set up a temp mini league on cobblestone to cover us until the road.cc competetion starts if anyone is interested.

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dave atkinson [6139 posts] 5 years ago
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we're not ignoring you... we're busy beavering away  1

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James Warrener [1080 posts] 5 years ago
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 4 No wuzzers then... I will wait and plan my team

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dave atkinson [6139 posts] 5 years ago
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the road.cc game is slated to launch mid feb, to give you a month to make your picks before the first scoring race, the milan san remo.

all good things and that  1

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LabMonkey [97 posts] 5 years ago
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Thats great - that will stop me checking the website every few hours.

Could you leak a definitive race list to upease our excitement?

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dave atkinson [6139 posts] 5 years ago
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Milano-San Remo
Gent – Wevelgem
Ronde van Vlaanderen
Paris - Roubaix
Amstel Gold Race
La Flèche Wallonne
Liège - Bastogne - Liège
Giro D'Italia
Criterium du Dauphiné Libéré
Tour de Suisse
Tour de France
Clasica Ciclista San Sebastian
GP Ouest France - Plouay
Vuelta a España
Grand Prix Cycliste de Québec
Grand Prix Cycliste de Montréal
World Championships TT
World Championships Road race
Giro di Lombardia

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