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Ride London newsletter claiming echinacea effective against flu and cold sores

To quote the Ride London newsletter  I just received in my inbox "echinacea is effective against flu and the cold sore-causing herpes virus" yet here it says that  "Two studies funded by the National Center for Complementary and Alternative Medicine did not find any help for a cold from echinacea in either children or adults".

Which one is fake news?

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Jack Sexty | 6 years ago
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Hey people,

Sorry this is late, but you may have noticed we've got an answer to this question and it's now on the site... http://road.cc/content/feature/235783-echinacea-effective-against-cold-a...

Cheers! 

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Jack Sexty | 6 years ago
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Hey folks - just to let you know I've got in touch with a medical professional who is going to provide me with an answer to this question, we'll post it here and on our live blog tomorrow! 

Cheers,

Jack

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Yorkshire wallet | 6 years ago
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I'm usually fairly sceptical of some of the 'natural' routes to fixing things but sometimes there's a reason why medical companies don't bother with certain things.......they can't patent it. 

Why spend money proving something you can't guarantee all the profits for or may hurt your established expensive product? 

The whole system is screwed as regards medicine. When I went to America last year I was shocked how much simple medicines cost. £0.30 for paracetemol in the UK......£8 in New York. This wasn't unusual, everything in the chemist was shockingly expensive. I'm on Levothyroxine (T4), some days if the energy levels as low I wish I could try T3 but the NHS supplier charges about £800 a packet so the doc says no way......In Greece it's about £8. Medicine eh, funny stuff and a crook's paradise. 

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Canyon48 replied to Yorkshire wallet | 6 years ago
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Yorkshire wallet wrote:

I'm usually fairly sceptical of some of the 'natural' routes to fixing things but sometimes there's a reason why medical companies don't bother with certain things.......they can't patent it. 

Why spend money proving something you can't guarantee all the profits for or may hurt your established expensive product? 

The whole system is screwed as regards medicine. When I went to America last year I was shocked how much simple medicines cost. £0.30 for paracetemol in the UK......£8 in New York. This wasn't unusual, everything in the chemist was shockingly expensive. I'm on Levothyroxine (T4), some days if the energy levels as low I wish I could try T3 but the NHS supplier charges about £800 a packet so the doc says no way......In Greece it's about £8. Medicine eh, funny stuff and a crook's paradise. 

That's just bonkers.

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CygnusX1 | 6 years ago
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I suggest you put the claims to the test by taking echinacea then engaging in activities exposing you to the herpes virus. angel

Don't blame me if the results are visits to the clap clinic and divorce lawyers though!

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Drinfinity | 6 years ago
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I'm sorry, 'herbal medicine', "Oh, herbal medicine's been around for thousands of years!" Indeed it has, and then we tested it all, and the stuff that worked became 'medicine'. And the rest of it is just a nice bowl of soup and some potpourri, so knock yourselves out.

Dara Ó Briain

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hawkinspeter | 6 years ago
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There's scant evidence for echinacea being effective. There was a shady (some conflict of interest from 2 of the researchers) double-blind study that showed some evidence that it could reduce the severity of the cold, but didn't reduce the numbers of colds caught; this involved taking it every day (ill or not). In the lab, echinacea shows anti-inflammatory properties but there's no evidence of that in humans.

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Pub bike replied to hawkinspeter | 6 years ago
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hawkinspeter wrote:

There's scant evidence for echinacea being effective. 

On balance I don't think Ride London should have made these claims.

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Simon E replied to Pub bike | 6 years ago
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hawkinspeter wrote:

There's scant evidence for echinacea being effective. 

Agree with this (and the rest of your comment).

The same could be said for virtually all supplements, multivitamins, so-called 'superfoods' etc on the market. But people love a 'quick fix' and want to believe the hype. Changing lifestyle habits is much harder so they just pop the pills and hope for the best...

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Canyon48 replied to Simon E | 6 years ago
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Simon E wrote:

hawkinspeter wrote:

There's scant evidence for echinacea being effective. 

Agree with this (and the rest of your comment).

The same could be said for virtually all supplements, multivitamins, so-called 'superfoods' etc on the market. But people love a 'quick fix' and want to believe the hype. Changing lifestyle habits is much harder so they just pop the pills and hope for the best...

I Just don't get it, people get fat then pay to be on these crazy diet schemes and take pills. The diets don't work in the end and they blame the diet or the pills, not their sedentary lifestyle and two takeaways a week.

Absolutely baffles me.

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Bluebug | 6 years ago
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Echinacea helping is fake news.

People get upset when they are told  the simple measure of washing  and drying their hands after going to the toilet but my class did an experiment at school when we grew what was on our  hands after doing or touching certain things. 

In short if you  wash your hands you decrease the number of nasty stuff on them so you are less likely to get infections from them. 

If you are nutrient deficient, then after being tested and getting the test result number  with range - which getting tested in the first place can be hard if you have some of the GPs myself, friends' and family have put up with - then you need to  supplement to be  and stay optimal.  Myself and  friends' of different ethic backgrounds due to being mostly office based have had vitamin D deficiencies but the guidelines  have been/are discriminatory especially against men. 

 

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ktache | 6 years ago
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I tried zinc and selenium supplements for a bit, said to help boost the imune system.  

Eating well and getting lots of sleep (ahem...) can never hurt.

The main one is good hygene, was those hands properly and often, and try to not touch those mucus membranes of the eyes, nose and ears.

And get a flu jab, 8 quid at Tescos.  I spent more on decongestants and analgesics for my last cold to make it a little more bearable.

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Leviathan | 6 years ago
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Pull me a pint of homeopathic lager for the ride.

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Deeferdonk replied to Leviathan | 6 years ago
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Leviathan wrote:

Pull me a pint of homeopathic lager for the ride.

One pint of fosters coming up.

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alansmurphy replied to Deeferdonk | 6 years ago
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Deeferdonk wrote:

Leviathan wrote:

Pull me a pint of homeopathic lager for the ride.

One pint of fosters coming up.

 

Neither of you should be allowed near a bar!

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Grahamd replied to Leviathan | 6 years ago
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Leviathan wrote:

Pull me a pint of homeopathic lager for the ride.

Now if you used both bidons...

 

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fenix | 6 years ago
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Your link also said studies have had mixed results.
I am not aware of any harm from using it so if you think it works go for it.

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