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Cyclocross bike brakes - change from cable to hydraulic disc brakes?

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Is it easy to change a CX bike from cable to hyrdaulic disc brakes?  Is it just the cables and pistons etc or do I have to change the levers as well?

 

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mattydubster | 6 years ago
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I've been thinking of going hydro for ages on my gravel bike too - for me it's likely to be SRAM as you can still get post mount quite easily.  My biggest problem though is that i'd have to go 11 speed with the SRAM which will mean a new cassette and chain as well at the very least...money money money...

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fustuarium | 6 years ago
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Depends on your bikes age as well. IIRC if it's post mount you'll only be able to do newer 11 speed Tiagra (or is it 105?) for post mount, and no Sram options.

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TypeVertigo replied to fustuarium | 6 years ago
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fustuarium wrote:

Depends on your bikes age as well. IIRC if it's post mount you'll only be able to do newer 11 speed Tiagra (or is it 105?) for post mount, and no Sram options.

The only post-mount option available now is the BR-RS785 caliper. Shimano have rebranded it as a "cyclocross use" unit on their website.

That said, you can match the hydraulic-brake road STI levers with any Shimano MTB brake caliper - and those are all post-mount. The BR-RS785 and its earlier BR-R785 brother are basically rejiggered BR-M785 Deore XT MTB brake calipers (RS785 just gets rid of the banjo hose fitting).

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sizbut | 6 years ago
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Having two identical bikes except for one being fully cable TRP Sprye and the other hybrid TRP HyRd - the hybrid is a big step up in stopping power despite still using steel cable (and despite using the same pads and discs). However, it is a bit more on or off, ie. less modulation. Suspect full-hydraulic gives you the full set of power and modulation.

You really need to give some idea of what you're trying to fix by thinkig of going to hydro. 

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TypeVertigo replied to sizbut | 6 years ago
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sizbut wrote:

Having two identical bikes except for one being fully cable TRP Sprye and the other hybrid TRP HyRd - the hybrid is a big step up in stopping power despite still using steel cable (and despite using the same pads and discs). However, it is a bit more on or off, ie. less modulation. Suspect full-hydraulic gives you the full set of power and modulation.

You really need to give some idea of what you're trying to fix by thinkig of going to hydro. 

Very interesting observations and thanks for the contribution. I myself am on Spyres on my TCX with post-mount hardpoints, and have been mulling over the HyRd or JuinTech R1 "cable-actuated hydraulic brake" route.

There's life left in my 10-speed 105 groupset yet, so I'm not particularly interested to go the full hydraulic route. Unless you're matching Tiagra 4700 hydraulic STI levers with either a Shimano MTB caliper or an older BR-R/RS785 unit, it seems like going full hydraulic automatically calls for a wholesale jump to 11-speed.

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kil0ran | 6 years ago
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Giant do an upgrade kit for around £120 - replaces your stem with the hydro resorvoir and includes all hoses and calipers. Potentially an absolute steal at that price

If not take a look at the Yokozuna/Juin Tech R1 hybrids recently reviewed here. Having just gone from mechanical to these the difference is very noticeable and a worthy upgrade. Big advantage is that they're a direct swap for your mechanicals, will probably take no more than 15 minutes to fit and adjust. Similar price to the Giant system

To go full hydro you're looking at £300 and a lot of work as you need to replace the levers.

 

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Morat | 6 years ago
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You'll need levers cables and calipers to do it properly. I've got one bike on cable brakes and one one Hydro. Cable work fine when set up properly (take it to the LBS and save yourself an afternoon of twiddling) but I much prefer hydraulic.

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BBB | 6 years ago
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Hybrid systems make no sense whatsoever. They cannot physically offer better feel, power and modulation because still rely on a steel cable... The only single advantage is self adjustment for pad wear.

Correctly designed, executed and set up mechanical system can be at least as good as hydraulics. Personally I prefer my Paul Klamper with Campy levers to a typical drop bar hydraulic system e.g. from Shimano.

 

 

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HalfWheeler replied to BBB | 6 years ago
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BBB wrote:

 

Hybrid systems....cannot physically offer better feel, power and modulation because still rely on a steel cable... 

Correctly designed, executed and set up mechanical system can be at least as good as hydraulics

Hate to set the cat among the pigeons but is this not a contradiction? 

For the record you're right about the hybrid systems but I'd differ on the hydraulics, they're infinitely better than cable or hybrids regardless of how well the mechanicals are set up. I've got TRP Spyres on the X bike, a big improvement on the Shimano ones that were fitted originally but they're not in the same league as hydraulics.

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surly_by_name replied to BBB | 6 years ago
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BBB wrote:

Correctly designed, executed and set up mechanical system can be at least as good as hydraulics. Personally I prefer my Paul Klamper with Campy levers to a typical drop bar hydraulic system e.g. from Shimano.

Bollocks. Although I imagine that if you pay near on £200 for a pair of mechanical brakes you have to believe they work as well as hydros or you'd feel a bit ... well, foolish, I imagine.

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mike the bike | 6 years ago
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As Halfwheeler hints, a solution which will be much cheaper and easier would be to fit TRP's HyRd brakes, which are cable operated as far as the calliper but hydraulic thereafter.  They won't be as utterly brilliant as  full hydraulic but I've heard people say they are much better than cable-only discs.

You would be able to keep your existing levers, so saving the major expense of swapping to full hydro.

I would also say don't listen to anyone telling you that such-and-such cable brakes are 90% as good as hydraulic.  No they are not.  They are just not.  Nowhere near.  A mile off. 

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HalfWheeler | 6 years ago
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I know there are some hydraulics that are cable activated, kinda neither fish nor fowl, but most hydraulic brakes have no cables. The brakes are activated by fluid running from a reservoir on the brake lever to the calipers. So you'll need the whole shebang; levers, hose and calipers.

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