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Oregon imposes "sin" tax of $15 on new bicycles

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Chris Hayes | 6 years ago
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Highly contentious and slightly tangential to the article, but I think I'd pay a road cycling tax in exchange for segregated infrastructure.  Okay, I could easily make an argument the other way, but with taxation comes representation.  As part of the major city transportation overhauls we need, this could make sense:  widespread congestion and emission zones; 'green' public transport, etc. 

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hawkinspeter replied to Chris Hayes | 6 years ago
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Chris Hayes wrote:

Highly contentious and slightly tangential to the article, but I think I'd pay a road cycling tax in exchange for segregated infrastructure.  Okay, I could easily make an argument the other way, but with taxation comes representation.  As part of the major city transportation overhauls we need, this could make sense:  widespread congestion and emission zones; 'green' public transport, etc. 

To my mind, I already pay tax for providing suitable infrastructure. However, that tax is then used mostly to provide roads that aren't always that suitable for cycling on, despite the fact that cyclists pay the same proportion of tax and cause far less damage to roads and the environment and lessen the burden on the NHS. (I wouldn't mind paying for decent cycling infrastructure as long as I can opt out of the proportion of income tax that gets spent on making dangerous road junctions.)

The other day, I thought it'd be nice if vehicles were taxed in proportion to how much damage they cause to the road infrastructure. What would be nice would be sections of main roads that have sensors to weigh the vehicles. Combine that with license plate readers and you can figure out the approximate weight of each individual vehicle (including cargo) and then charge the owner/driver a tax based on the fourth power of their weight (which is proportional to the damage caused to roads). I reckon that would mean that cars would pay almost nothing and the economics of using large lorries would change as it might prove more cost effective to divide the load into several lighter vehicles. It'd depend on how high the tax rate would be set.

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FluffyKittenofT... replied to hawkinspeter | 6 years ago
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hawkinspeter wrote:

The other day, I thought it'd be nice if vehicles were taxed in proportion to how much damage they cause to the road infrastructure. What would be nice would be sections of main roads that have sensors to weigh the vehicles. Combine that with license plate readers and you can figure out the approximate weight of each individual vehicle (including cargo) and then charge the owner/driver a tax based on the fourth power of their weight (which is proportional to the damage caused to roads). I reckon that would mean that cars would pay almost nothing and the economics of using large lorries would change as it might prove more cost effective to divide the load into several lighter vehicles. It'd depend on how high the tax rate would be set.

Ideally all the various external costs of motoring would be charged for separately, which would incentivise more efficient behaviour (including using a bike when possible).

So congestion charging for the cost of using scarce road-space (which would obviously be negligable or zero on empty rural roads and would vary continuuously with time-of-day and traffic level), another charge to cover air pollution (depending on fuel and vehicle type) and another part for road wear that varied with weight-of-vehicle as you describe, another to cover the cost of accidents, hefty parking charges that accounted for the opportunity-cost/rental value of the land being parked on, etc...

Instead, car-use seems to be the one area where otherwise conservative people turn into socialist supporters of subsidies and sloppy accounting.

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FluffyKittenofT... replied to Chris Hayes | 6 years ago
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Chris Hayes wrote:

Highly contentious and slightly tangential to the article, but I think I'd pay a road cycling tax in exchange for segregated infrastructure.  Okay, I could easily make an argument the other way, but with taxation comes representation.  As part of the major city transportation overhauls we need, this could make sense:  widespread congestion and emission zones; 'green' public transport, etc. 

I am not sure that hypothecated taxes ever work out. They always end up going into the general revenue pot. I also don't think a tax like this would make any difference to the motorist attitude that cyclists 'don't pay for the roads'.

Why not a tax on shoe sales to pay for pedestrian infra?

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PaulCee52 | 6 years ago
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Does the state have any other sales tax on bicycles,or is this the only tax they would pay?

Obviously, in the UK, we are paying 20% VAT on every cycle-related purchase, which amounts to twice the figure of the Oregon proposal (and makes a mockery of the 'cyclists don't pay tax' argument, but let's not go down that particular badly designed path...)

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ktache | 6 years ago
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VeloUSA it's only $15.

Much as I am against this tax, it might just encourage people to keep their old bike going a little longer, maybe helping the LBSs to earn from the repair and replacement business.

Don't forget the second hand market, it's not all about new bikes.

I am a little biased, I have not had a brand new bike since september 1992.

 

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don simon fbpe replied to ktache | 6 years ago
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ktache wrote:

VeloUSA it's only $15.

Much as I am against this tax, it might just encourage people to keep their old bike going a little longer, maybe helping the LBSs to earn from the repair and replacement business.

Don't forget the second hand market, it's not all about new bikes.

I am a little biased, I have not had a brand new bike since september 1992.

 

Unfortunately people don't think like that and they will look for the easiest way NOT to pay the tax irrespective of the benefits they bring.

I like the idea of telling pedestrians to get off the cycle path because they haven't fucking paid for it!!!

 

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VeloUSA | 6 years ago
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Nothing new here. It's just another way government politicians get consumers to pay money - they call it taxes, or fees, or tolls, and so on - for their pet projects, salary increases, and too make up for lost sales tax revenue when people buy goods over the internet. What politicians fail to see is small businesses getting hurt. Instead of buying from your local LBS people will shop the internet to save the $200.

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IanEdward | 6 years ago
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Hmm, think people should be reserving judgement, the proof could be in the pudding, i.e. better cycle paths and infrastructure?

I'm sure the local councils in the UK could do a lot more if they had the money, but it's not their fault theire funding is being cut.

Sustrans do a great job but how many of us can honestly say we're paying members?

I often think the Scottish Government could be a lot more forward thinking about supporting Scottish tourism, find some way of levying a small 'tax' on tourists, but use it to improve facilities and make the whole experience more pleasant for everyone, instead of the current situation (e.g. on Skye) where you have bus loads of tourists having to piss and crap in the bushes next to local attractions etc. Apologies for the tangent but I think it's an example of where Oregon's thinking, as controversial as it might be, could actually be a positive step.

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Bikebikebike replied to IanEdward | 6 years ago
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IanEdward wrote:

Hmm, think people should be reserving judgement, the proof could be in the pudding,

And as Poirot circled the dinner table he continued: "Yes, the killer is someone sitting at this very table.  Someone who had plotted and carried out an almost perfect crime."  

He continued his perambulation of the table and diners.  "I say almost, because they didn't realise that the portholes of the boat would be locked, meaning that the revolver could not be disposed-of in the short time available.  So, this cunning rogue placed it in the only place it could possibly be hidden to avoid discovery..."

And with this, the moustachioed Belgian plunged his hand deep into the plum duff, grabbed the concealed gun and raised it high above his head.  "The large dessert was the only place the police wouldn't search immediately.  So Mr Jenkins, for it was you, decided to place the murder weapon there.  Truly the proof is in the pudding!"

 

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TheHungryGhost | 6 years ago
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Can you run a special offer? Bike only $199 if you buy these $700 lights

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StraelGuy | 6 years ago
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One word. And that word is 'Fucktards'.

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