Jersey & Bib Shorts - Matching or not?!?

by DeeJayJay   August 20, 2014  

Simple question - When heading out on a training ride, should my jersey and shorts match, same brand, colour etc?!? The only reason I ask is because a read a thread yesterday and came across the the term FKW (full kit w****r). Having not heard this before has prompted my inquiry. I by no means head out in matching socks, shorts, jersey, gloves and cap etc, but am now interested in other cyclists thoughts...

Thanks in advance.

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Well..... It wasn't my intention to open the proverbial 'can of worms'... I think the general consensus is wear what ever you want, as long as its not white bib shorts!! Thanks to all who took time to put their thoughts in to words and sentences...

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posted by DeeJayJay [13 posts]
21st August 2014 - 9:07

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My thoughts on Rapha resentment.... its the same as resenting the owners of Porsches and Ferrari's.

On one level (a big one) its pure envy... envy that you can afford to spend so much money on cycle clothing (car), envy that you have the balls to go, "sod it, I know there are cheaper options out there that are just as good, but I want Rapha (A Porsche)"... on the other level, its resentment... its seeing someone with the balls, and with the money, making the obvious, boring choices. If you can afford Rapha, you can afford anything, so why buy Rapha? Its resenting the lost opportunity.

Oh and for me personally, I hate the way Rapha has singlehandedly doubled the cost of lycra.

Not too many years ago a premium cycling top was £50. Now that's the standard cost across the board (Aldi aside). The materials/designs haven't changed, and from my insight into the industry the costs haven't changed, only the margins given to retailers/manufacturers has increased.

Rapha as a brand helps make cycling expensive... it provides the affluent an avenue to spend their cash, an avenue readily jumped on by other manufacturers, and suddenly a race bike costs £5-10k instead of £1-4k and we all have to have more awkward conversations with the wife.

posted by Jimmy Ray Will [294 posts]
21st August 2014 - 9:13

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Jimmy Ray Will wrote:
My thoughts on Rapha resentment.... its the same as resenting the owners of Porsches and Ferrari's.

On one level (a big one) its pure envy... envy that you can afford to spend so much money on cycle clothing (car), envy that you have the balls to go, "sod it, I know there are cheaper options out there that are just as good, but I want Rapha (A Porsche)"... on the other level, its resentment... its seeing someone with the balls, and with the money, making the obvious, boring choices. If you can afford Rapha, you can afford anything, so why buy Rapha? Its resenting the lost opportunity.

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Glad to see I started an off-topic discussion Devil

I think lots of people who can afford Rapha (I certainly can) wouldn't dream of wearing it, with the possible exception of the rain jacket or winter tights. Why? Because everyone will think you're dangerous. Why's that? Well in my case, it's because of the guys from Rapha CC (which really exists) who clip the bends and go down like skittles in Regent's Park on regular occasions. They might also think you're a bit of a show-off, just a lots of people who can afford a Ferrari (not me this time) wouldn't dream of driving something so vulgar. Apparently Rapha do nice potions for your legs and "chamois area" though.

Anyway, I think retro is cool. I saw a guy this morning in a Mapei jersey and black shorts. Looked pretty decent I thought.

Of course, it doesn't really matter what I think.

posted by deblemund [105 posts]
21st August 2014 - 9:44

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Wear what you want, you're a cyclist, you look ugly no matter what you wear!

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posted by sm [347 posts]
21st August 2014 - 9:51

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Its like anything to do with personal presentation / image / etc : there's lots of emotional baggage goes with it all. Do you care about making a 'positive' impression? Do you want to deliberately ignore the 'conventional' standards of 'smartness' or 'trendiness' ? Do you want to project yourself as 'sensible and functional' or 'trendy and high performance' ? 'Hero' or 'anti-hero' ? 'Look at this great gear' or 'forget the gear its irrelevant' ? Personally, I just like to try and have comfortable gear and keep it coordinated. Its just clothing at the end of the day, and you wont get any agreement in the general population about 'how should you dress'.

posted by edster99 [176 posts]
21st August 2014 - 9:57

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drfabulous0 wrote:
I bought a bunch of Rapha gear a while back because I liked it and worked for a "retail partner" so got a discount. Now I think twice about wearing it because everyone thinks I'm a douche.

People who genuinely think you're a douche for wearing a particular brand must be, well, massive douches. And who cares what they think?

Anyhoo, like someone else above I usually go for mainly black bibs and then whatever takes my fancy when I'm in the market for a new jersey. I don't have any team kit myself, but it's not that I wouldn't wear it on principle or anything, I just generally don't like it as much as other stuff.
That said, I wouldn't wear a WC or leaders jersey!

posted by Chuck [386 posts]
21st August 2014 - 10:06

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I wear Rapha, no-one has ever commented on it.

Last night I would have considered trading a very loud baby for a really nice bike.

posted by notfastenough [3239 posts]
21st August 2014 - 10:38

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I think your clothing should match to an extent but it's easier if you just stick to black shorts. I wear a variety of Garmin jerseys and as they are made by Castelli I can match them with the Castelli shorts and socks that also go with my other non-team Castelli gear.

I used to wear a Brazil football jersey when I was young, now I wear team cycling gear. I bet football fans all round the world don't get stick for wearing team gear along the lines of 'You can't wear a Real Madrid jersey because you don't play for them!!!'

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posted by stenmeister [58 posts]
21st August 2014 - 11:06

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Ordered a new rapha rain jacket yesterday and cannot wait for it to arrive. Jealousy is the only reason I can see there being any haters out there for rapha. I am never one to spend money for the sake of it, but I will spend it when I feel I'm getting a quality product, regardless of the name on it

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posted by evo360 [1 posts]
21st August 2014 - 11:40

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Rather a MAMIL than a MAMIM (middle aged man in Micra)...wear what you like withpride and rejoice in the freedom that is leg powered transport/recreational/fitness vehicle

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posted by The _Kaner [444 posts]
21st August 2014 - 11:41

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I can’t afford Rapha if I could I would probably be clad head to foot in the stuff as I think it looks good and appears to be of very good quality Cool

Edit: Although it I don’t think it comes in “Fat Git” size Big Grin

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posted by Wesselwookie [139 posts]
21st August 2014 - 11:50

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Can we all talk about helmets now? Wink

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posted by Gizmo_ [871 posts]
21st August 2014 - 12:10

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Gizmo_ wrote:
Can we all talk about helmets now? Wink

I use Kask (Not in Sky Colours though) Big Grin

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posted by Wesselwookie [139 posts]
21st August 2014 - 12:47

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Final comment on Rapha... the fact there are haters is the result of great marketing. If you want to get people 'loving' your brand, you have to behave in such a way that people will hate your brand.

As long as you get enough people loving you, the haters can just go on hating...

Rapha have done a brilliant job.

posted by Jimmy Ray Will [294 posts]
21st August 2014 - 13:48

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'I bet football fans all round the world don't get stick for wearing team gear along the lines of 'You can't wear a Real Madrid jersey because you don't play for them!!!''

They do. But they still wear it. Probably because most football fans are simple-minded.

posted by andyp [918 posts]
21st August 2014 - 14:10

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Jimmy Ray Will wrote:
If you want to get people 'loving' your brand, you have to behave in such a way that people will hate your brand.

It worked for Geedubbya. Except only inbreds loved the brand.

posted by truffy [344 posts]
21st August 2014 - 14:13

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Among football fans "Full kit wankers" are generally despised. Wearing a top, especially when you're off to see your team, is part of the accepted culture. Wearing the shirt, shorts and socks is a major faux pas if you're over the age of 10.

posted by Al__S [558 posts]
21st August 2014 - 16:07

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I have a magic Help for Heroes jersey that protects me from harm when I'm out. I'm slightly uneasy about people reading words written across my backside (of my shorts, not my actual backside) so my shorts are plain. Now for the point... On 31st August I'm riding the #Londonbikeathon2014 for http://leukaemialymphomaresearch.org.uk/ so I'll be wearing their jersey. All contributions for the charity gratefully received Smile

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posted by middleagedmoaner [4 posts]
21st August 2014 - 16:19

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middleagedmoaner wrote:
I have a magic Help for Heroes jersey that protects me from harm when I'm out. ...

Love it. They really mess with black cab drivers' heads Smile

posted by deblemund [105 posts]
21st August 2014 - 22:07

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Wear what you want, if you are good you can wear anything and no one will care. People usually only make fun of people the other way round, fat men on zipp wheels and assos etc. But if they are happy, why not?

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posted by pants [79 posts]
26th August 2014 - 12:09

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Wesselwookie wrote:
I can’t afford Rapha if I could I would probably be clad head to foot in the stuff as I think it looks good and appears to be of very good quality Cool

Edit: Although it I don’t think it comes in “Fat Git” size Big Grin

There are a lot of guys who gave up the carbon clubs for carbon bikes round my way, who have the disposable income to ensure that Rapha is prolific in 'Fat Git' size. More power to them; cycling is great. I would also wear Rapha if I had the £££; it looks smart, understated and well-made. Not so sure about the pinker items though; there's a large club close by whose colours are pink and black; doesn't look the best.

Back to main subject; black shorts go with everything, buy a top that (you think) looks good on you.

posted by s_lim [122 posts]
26th August 2014 - 13:10

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evo360 wrote:
Ordered a new rapha rain jacket yesterday and cannot wait for it to arrive. Jealousy is the only reason I can see there being any haters out there for rapha. I am never one to spend money for the sake of it, but I will spend it when I feel I'm getting a quality product, regardless of the name on it

I've got loads of Rapha, the vast majority of which is from their sample sales - the Rapha Paul Smith rain jacket cost me £50 (I think Paul Smith socks cost about that!), pro-level base layers £10 each etc. The rain jacket I have is awesome, and does justify a rather higher cost than I paid.

middleagedmoaner wrote:
I have a magic Help for Heroes jersey that protects me from harm when I'm out. I'm slightly uneasy about people reading words written across my backside (of my shorts, not my actual backside) so my shorts are plain. Now for the point... On 31st August I'm riding the #Londonbikeathon2014 for http://leukaemialymphomaresearch.org.uk/ so I'll be wearing their jersey. All contributions for the charity gratefully received Smile

I reckon you could make a daily mail reader implode with that jersey, bravo!

As for lettering on your backside, my dad told me with glee about a cyclist "all in green" with this "ridiculous lettering saying 'liquid gas' across his bum(!)" I'd never even considered that when watching the liquigas-cannondale pro-team...

Last night I would have considered trading a very loud baby for a really nice bike.

posted by notfastenough [3239 posts]
26th August 2014 - 13:47

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Easiest thing is to always wear black shorts. Then they will match whatever top you have on.

Going out with non matching kit is fine - but you look a mess. Its up to you.

posted by fenix [24 posts]
27th August 2014 - 16:04

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I've never heard ''FKW" before.........it's reasonably funny.

I always go for matching bibs & shorts.......always a TDF team too. I'm not a pro but they look quality.

I had a yellow jersey & a pink giro jersey when I first started out & got so much abuse from fellow cyclists for them!

I was even refused race entry once because I was wearing the world champ jersey!

In a nutshell I'd say go matching bibs & top.......oh and cap, obvs Cool

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posted by Matty - PHS [14 posts]
27th August 2014 - 16:37

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andyp wrote:
'I bet football fans all round the world don't get stick for wearing team gear along the lines of 'You can't wear a Real Madrid jersey because you don't play for them!!!''

They do. But they still wear it. Probably because most football fans are simple-minded.

I wear my teams' jersey, but my team is Shrewsbury Town while my nearest league ground is Old Trafford, so I must be simple minded.

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posted by Crosshouses [197 posts]
27th August 2014 - 17:11

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£25 Sky jersey on sale. Can't think of a better quality one for the price. Couldn't care less what team it was.

I've had a couple of different jerseys from TK Maxx as well, always worth a look if you're passing.

posted by bjeato [5 posts]
27th August 2014 - 17:59

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What constitutes a full kit though is the question?

Is wearing full Castelli/Assos/Rapha not all that different to wearing full team kit?

I'm not a fan of team kits, even the retro ones, they just don't look as good as the manufacturers regular version of the kit. Why not just wear exactly the same jersey but without all the advertising?
I wear fairly plain retro jerseys that sometimes have a logo/print of the random event that the jersey was used for/bought from. Quality gear (some of it's almost as old as me) and top brands too. My bib shorts have two tiny sportful logos on the back and go with anything really.

I was following a guy the other day who was fully kitted out in Tinkoff-Saxo gear (It's really not the best looking kit is it, I like the team but still....), even down to the arm and leg warmers.....I don't think he had the helmet though. I thought for a second he may well have been part of the team....especially when he danced up the climb at a rate of knots!

Also, do people not realise you can get Rapha stuff pretty cheaply now and again? If it was a choice of being decked out in team gear or decked out in the high quality, understated, simple design of Rapha, then Rapha would win.....I don't even own a piece of Rapha clothing either, but judging by how good they're stuff is......it might happen at some point.

I've also passed someone wearing a Polka dot jersey, on a climb (couldn't have timed it better), I was going to make a comment in jest about taking the jersey off them, but they probably didn't know what they were wearing.

S13SFC wrote:
Retro jersey will plain shorts looks great. It's what I wear. Big Grin

Did we just become best friends?

posted by J90 [124 posts]
28th August 2014 - 0:45

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I wear red as a metaphor for lantern rouge! Wink

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posted by a_pilau [6 posts]
3rd September 2014 - 23:46

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I wear castelli shorts, I find they are the most comfortable over long rides. I wear anything for my top t shirts for short rides and baggy mtb shorts with under shorts. I have just got a Rubiks cube cycling top(from summit different). I like the bright colours, also I look quite dapper. Smile

posted by CXR94Di2 [149 posts]
4th September 2014 - 7:25

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J90 wrote:
What constitutes a full kit though is the question?
Is wearing full Castelli/Assos/Rapha not all that different to wearing full team kit?

Well FPKW is someone out in full team kit.
Wearing full Rapha/Castelli etc is different as you're not posing as a pro (or a cycling advertising board)

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posted by glynr36 [428 posts]
4th September 2014 - 8:09

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