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Hi there,

Any one got any insight on these Deda 30mm AL wheels?
http://www.dedaelementiruote.com/en/WD30ALCL.htm

Look like they will tick the box when it comes to a low weight alloy training wheel with an aero advantage.

At 1450g I am seriously tempted by these hoops!

Any real word experience would be great.

Thanks.
Mike

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Gkam84 [9086 posts] 1 year ago
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Here is a review of the CCL's but I know nothing of the AL's

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Mrmiik [162 posts] 1 year ago
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Gkam84 wrote:

Here is a review of the CCL's but I know nothing of the AL's

Thanks. Yup, I saw this review. CCLs look good, info on the ALs would be grand.

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notfastenough [3685 posts] 1 year ago
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A new local LBS can source these and I also thought they looked interesting, but I've drawn a blank on finding out much about them.

This was what led me in the direction of the Wheelsmith Aero 38 clinchers mentioned in the Aithein thread - they are an extra £180 sterling, but are handbuilt and come with a lot of positive experiences. Additionally, (and I don't know how much difference this would make, it might be marketing BS) the Deda are a v-section rim shape, so potentially susceptible to crosswinds, whereas the Wheelsmiths are a bulbous U-shape described as being similar to the Enve 3.4 smart wheel system, so potentially less susceptible to crosswinds. Admittedly they are also 8mm deeper, which may cancel out any benefit in this area.

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vadido [24 posts] 1 year ago
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What kind of price?

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notfastenough [3685 posts] 1 year ago
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Chicken cycles have them at £559.

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vadido [24 posts] 1 year ago
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That's a lot for training wheels. Did you consider the Shimano Ultegra wheels?

http://www.wiggle.co.uk/shimano-ultegra-6800-wheelset/

not aero but do you need that for training?

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Mrmiik [162 posts] 1 year ago
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Price I'm looking at is £410.

For a sub 1500g wheelset.

Ok take away training - replace with 'fun wheels from March till October'. Happy to ride dogs in winter.

And no to the Shimano wheels - thanks! :-p

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vadido [24 posts] 1 year ago
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What don't you like about them?

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Mrmiik [162 posts] 1 year ago
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For that price I'd simply get Zondas - lighter, better looks and (perhaps) stiffer ride for the money.
From reviews of the Shimano ones, don't think they are what I am looking for.
Don't worry - I had already considered them and ticked them off the list.

Thanks!

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Mrmiik [162 posts] 1 year ago
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Well I've ordered the Dedas. I can give feedback to anyone interested in a few weeks.

Thanks, Mike

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notfastenough [3685 posts] 1 year ago
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Yes please! Definitely interested to hear more about them.

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Gordy748 [110 posts] 1 year ago
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18/ 20 spoke counts on alloy wheels? With radial F and NDS and 1x DS spoke pattern?? I hope you're not heavy.

Having such low spoke counts is an easy way of losing weight as well as getting the wheels more aerodynamic (less spokes = less of the egg beater effect). For not much more you could get Rolfs that are even lighter.

For both the Dedas and the Rolfs, though, the problem is durability. Hit and kink the rim on, say, a gutter or pothole, and with so few spokes it becomes really hard to realign the rim back into shape. It's worse with the Rolfs but with 18 on the front it will be hard to get the wheel repaired in the event of an accident.

I know the spoke and hub manufacturer, and I think the rims are KinLins; all are reputable so the build quality will be OK. Are they inverted spokes with the nipples on the inside? If so then replacing them will be difficult and expensive, plus you'll need someone who knows their stuff. Try to make sure you get spare spokes with the wheels as inverted spokes are very rare.

30 mm rims don't qualify as aero rims. They will help to stiffen up the wheel to compensate for the lack of spokes but you're not going to see much aero advantage from them.

Overall, I'd rate these as good value-ish race wheels if you're a junior or an aspiring lightweight Cat 4 racer, but I wouldn't use them for training (durability) or if I were a sprinter (stiffness).

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realdeal [21 posts] 1 year ago
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1450g Italiany weight will be closer to 1600g. Deda are one of the worst for this but they do make reasonable quality stuff.
Can't really comment on the hubs but they do look like all the weight is in the rim ,so you would have to take your weight into consideration. For a few extra shillings you're into handbuilt territory, something I can heartily recommend.

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Mrmiik [162 posts] 1 year ago
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Thanks for the feedback. I'm around the 64kg mark. Gordy748, the info is much appreciated and gives me something to think about! From the road cc review of the Deda carbon wheels, they came in under the listed weight - so that boosted my confidence.

All my past deda kit (stems and seatposts) have always been pretty accurate on the weight - maybe I've been lucky so far?

Saying all that my first option was actually a set of Wheelsmith Race24s - I just did not want to have to wait for them. Maybe I should reconsider and wait...

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realdeal [21 posts] 1 year ago
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All the wheelbuilders I spoke to told me it's better to have weight in the spokes as this builds a stiffer wheel than one with all the weight in the rim. I suppose it's swings and roundabouts, but performance doesn't necessarily look racy if you know what I mean!

If you're thinking of something hand built, or just looking for a bit of advice on wheels give Harry Rowland a try. I've got 2 sets from him and the build quality is superb.

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Mrmiik [162 posts] 1 year ago
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Re spoke count.

In the past two months my Zondas (16F 21R) have come out of two accidents perfectly true. First hitting a car side on 10mph - front wheel into side door.

Second, being hit by a car - impact in rear wheel.

If I'm not mistaken Zondas have alloy spokes, and the Dedas have steel which I understand to be stronger? For my weight, should I be worried about low spoke count...?

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Mrmiik [162 posts] 1 year ago
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Oh dear...

So I bottled it. Slept on it and cancelled the Deda order - didn't want to be a wheel tester!

Gone and ordered a set of Wheelsmith Race24s. Cannot wait for them.

M

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notfastenough [3685 posts] 1 year ago
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Well let us know what you think of those, anyway!

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Mockenrue [6 posts] 1 year ago
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Mrmiik wrote:

If I'm not mistaken Zondas have alloy spokes, and the Dedas have steel which I understand to be stronger? For my weight, should I be worried about low spoke count...?

Zondas have steel spokes. I've owned a pair for a couple of years; I weigh 75kg and they have been no trouble at all. Great value for money wheels.