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So used to picking teams for a stage race, I swear I have absolutely no idea how to do this one.

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ray silvester [1836 posts] 2 years ago
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Just like the spring classics.....unlimited transfers between the races in both purist and standard.

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Ghedebrav [1099 posts] 2 years ago
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No Paris-Tours?  2

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Ghedebrav [1099 posts] 2 years ago
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ray silvester wrote:

Just like the spring classics.....unlimited transfers between the races in both purist and standard.

...and always pick Greg Van Avermaet.

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Twybaydos [449 posts] 2 years ago
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Wow such value!!

I hope my purist team does as well as it did in spring classics to put me back in the top 5, rather than the spirit of a purist contest

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Him Up North [235 posts] 2 years ago
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Is Kreuziger cleared to race?

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TERatcliffe26 [4693 posts] 2 years ago
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Him Up North wrote:

Is Kreuziger cleared to race?

He is going to ride Poland 100% as of right now. As for CSS I cannot confirm yet, the startlist that is currently up is the initial official startlist, but is likely to change, and will look at it tomorrow night

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Joelsim [1975 posts] 2 years ago
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My money is on Contador.

Or Wiggins.

Or maybe even Lance for this one.

Nah, I'll stick with Kreuziger.

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Ghedebrav [1099 posts] 2 years ago
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TERatcliffe26 wrote:
Him Up North wrote:

Is Kreuziger cleared to race?

He is going to ride Poland 100% as of right now. As for CSS I cannot confirm yet, the startlist that is currently up is the initial official startlist, but is likely to change, and will look at it tomorrow night

Surely he can't be riding both?! Or will Oleg Tinkoff drive him through the night from San Sebastian to Gdansk in one of his non-existent Aston Martins?

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Joelsim [1975 posts] 2 years ago
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Can't afford Sagan in this one. There is too much other choice.

Nor Valverde.

Probably a mistake on both counts, but heh!

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Him Up North [235 posts] 2 years ago
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Joelsim wrote:

Can't afford Sagan in this one. There is too much other choice.

Nor Valverde.

Probably a mistake on both counts, but heh!

They're first and second favourites at the bookies, but I'm not including them either. I tried following the money and got barely half a team before running out of funds. Doesn't seem right to pick three hot favourites and six fillers.  39

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stenmeister [338 posts] 2 years ago
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Quite a hilly course so I am going for some climbers.

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Ghedebrav [1099 posts] 2 years ago
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May well end up with egg on my face here, but really don't know about Sagan for this one. At top dollar he won't be in my squad. I'm not aware that he has any form in this race at all.

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Him Up North [235 posts] 2 years ago
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Sagan's never ridden CSS so is a bit of an unknown quantity. Muddying the waters further is the fact that this year the race finishes with a circuit of the town including a short, steep incline to punch up.

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Stumps [3460 posts] 2 years ago
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Picking the riders who have just finished the Tour is a risk, after 3 weeks and x amount of miles in their legs will this one be a stage to much ?

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enrique [2383 posts] 2 years ago
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Ghedebrav wrote:

No Paris-Tours?  2

Is it too late to add that?... That's a nice race....  7 I know I asked last year, too, but these two are very climber friendly affairs, the Gran Premio Città di Peccioli - Coppa Sabatini and the Giro dell'Emilia, and they're very much more 'Classics' and European than Montreal and Quebec, can we add those, too?...Please?  4

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enrique [2383 posts] 2 years ago
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Him Up North wrote:

... I... got barely half a team before running out of funds...

Can we go back to a 150 budget for all races except the Tour, please?  4

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Ghedebrav [1099 posts] 2 years ago
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Montreal & Quebec are both WT though, no? Therefore should get the nod over anything .HC around the same time.

Saying that, and at the risk of opening an enormous can of worms, I do think there's a case for both Paris-Tours and Milano-Torino...

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enrique [2383 posts] 2 years ago
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Ghedebrav wrote:

Montreal & Quebec are both WT though, no? Therefore should get the nod over anything... I do think there's a case for both Paris-Tours and Milano-Torino...

I'm not against either, but, just like we have a core of races for the Spring Classics, I think we should have a core of races for the Autumn/Fall Classics... Here's where Wikipedia comes in handy...  4

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enrique [2383 posts] 2 years ago
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Ghedebrav wrote:

... I... think there's a case for both Paris-Tours and Milano-Torino...

I agree...  39 That competition is called the 'Autumn Classics'... Shouldn't it be composed mainly, if not only of, 'Classics' races? That's what the name of the competition implies, doesn't it? Otherwise, just call it Fall Races... I think we should give a nod to the fact that Paris-Tours and Milano-Torino are considered 'Classics' and have them included... I don't understand why they're being excluded...  39 Is there a reason why?...  39 They're important and prestigious and the start lists shouldn't be that hard to get... Why are they being excluded?...  39 And didn't we have both of them last year?... And who gets to decide or propose what races get included in the 'Fall Classics' and why do they get changed around so much each year? Why don't you stick to the actual 'Fall Classics'? And why does it get named 'Fall'or 'Autumn' Classics if it isn't composed of 'Fall' or 'Autumn' Classics?  45

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Dux89 [194 posts] 2 years ago
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The circuit races (ie. Vattenfall, etc.) tend to be a bit more predictable, but CSS kicks off this fantasy competition with a wide-open race! Nobody even close to odds-on favorite here.

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dave atkinson [6297 posts] 2 years ago
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enrique wrote:
Ghedebrav wrote:

... I... think there's a case for both Paris-Tours and Milano-Torino...

I agree...  39 That competition is called the 'Autumn Classics'... Shouldn't it be composed mainly, if not only of, 'Classics' races? That's what the name of the competition implies, doesn't it? Otherwise, just call it Fall Races... I think we should give a nod to the fact that Paris-Tours and Milano-Torino are considered 'Classics' and have them included... I don't understand why they're being excluded...  39 Is there a reason why?...  39 They're important and prestigious and the start lists shouldn't be that hard to get... Why are they being excluded?...  39 And didn't we have both of them last year?... And who gets to decide or propose what races get included in the 'Fall Classics' and why do they get changed around so much each year? Why don't you stick to the actual 'Fall Classics'? And why does it get named 'Fall'or 'Autumn' Classics if it isn't composed of 'Fall' or 'Autumn' Classics?  45

who gets to decide? we do. the logic in this case is extremely simple: those six races are the WorldTour ones. we don't include every race, so there will always be some in and some out. We do try and include every WorldTour race though.

And no, you didn't get either Paris-Tours or Milan-Torino last year.

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Twybaydos [449 posts] 2 years ago
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Guys - Simon Gerrans is definitely in the Orica team for San Sebastian tomorrow but greyed out in the game. I know I can pick outside of highlighted riders, but the last thing we want is people throwing their tenners out the pram because they couldn't be arsed to look at the startlist online. Leigh Howard is out.

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TERatcliffe26 [4693 posts] 2 years ago
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As you seem to focus on the word classics, whether they are true classics based on the word classics maybe up for debate, but in the instance of Autumn classics in a game scenario it sounds better/more professional than Autumn one day races, no?

On the budget it suggested 129 so think yourself lucky.

The races haven't changed an awful lot, they are grouped differently as its easier to group the 6 races, whereas we had individual races and a double header for these last year. And only one race differs with the addition of Vattenfall.

You can make a case to add/remove many races, in this instance we just stuck to the WT races, as simple as that.

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TERatcliffe26 [4693 posts] 2 years ago
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Twybaydos wrote:

Guys - Simon Gerrans is definitely in the Orica team for San Sebastian tomorrow but greyed out in the game. I know I can pick outside of highlighted riders, but the last thing we want is people throwing their tenners out the pram because they couldn't be arsed to look at the startlist online. Leigh Howard is out.

Give us chance, they've only released the full startlist today, I updated last night and ive only just got in from work. I will do another update in the next half hour.

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enrique [2383 posts] 2 years ago
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enrique wrote:

...I think we should give a nod to the fact that Paris-Tours and Milano-Torino are considered 'Classics' and have them included... They're important and prestigious and the start lists shouldn't be that hard to get... Why are they being excluded?...

I just get nostalgic with the word 'Classics'. It invokes memories of a particular kind of race. It means something, it refers to a particular set of races... I just wonder why we don't include those romantic, historic races... Is it too much trouble at the end of the year? I think they're more beautiful than World Tour races and they would fit in nicely in the competition... Especially one named 'Autumn Classics'... Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining about what you name the competition, I just think they would be pretty cool races to run in the competition... I'm not complaining...  4 No, really  4 God knows I'm tired of all this clicking and selecting riders that won't honor my request to do well in a race... I just wonder why such beautiful, historic races that are 'Classics' to many folks don't get the nod of approval to be selected for this competition...

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enrique [2383 posts] 2 years ago
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TERatcliffe26 wrote:

... On the budget it suggested 129...

What are the parameters of the formula you guys are using?... Did Dave come up with the formula?...  39 Does it use the size of the field?... The average value of the entire field? The distribution of those values?... It's kind of weird to see you write 'it' suggested a particular number... The formula establishes a relationship between the values which, obviously, the person who created the formula predetermined a base value for, just like someone determined the highest value a rider should have in the game is 40.0 credits and the lowest value should be 3.0 credits, the formula you are using has established a certain relationship between how it will solve for what the formula creator 'thinks' the budget value should be, based on the criteria the formula creator finds relevant and inserts into the formula itself...  39 It'd be nice to see that formula, I have to believe it's fairly simple and probably uses two or three variables, maybe just the size of the field and the average value of the riders in the field and some sort of relationship that sets these values to be around 150 for a certain average rider value, can you share it?...  39

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TERatcliffe26 [4693 posts] 2 years ago
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enrique wrote:
TERatcliffe26 wrote:

... On the budget it suggested 129...

What are the parameters of the formula you guys are using?... Did Dave come up with the formula?...  39 Does it use the size of the field?... The average value of the entire field? The distribution of those values?... It's kind of weird to see you write 'it' suggested a particular number... The formula establishes a relationship between the values which, obviously, the person who created the formula predetermined a base value for, just like someone determined the highest value a rider should have in the game is 40.0 credits and the lowest value should be 3.0 credits, the formula you are using has established a certain relationship between how it will solve for what the formula creator 'thinks' the budget value should be, based on the criteria the formula creator finds relevant and inserts into the formula itself...  39 It'd be nice to see that formula, I have to believe it's fairly simple and probably uses two or three variables, maybe just the size of the field and the average value of the riders in the field and some sort of relationship that sets these values to be around 150 for a certain average rider value, can you share it?...  39

I don't know any details about the formula.

Alls I can say with these races is took into account all riders on all the rosters for the teams in todays race, and teams that are competing in other races within the competition (that being done once th riders values for all those teams had been set based on all the up coming stages being lumpy) Therefore I upped the budget as not all riders would be riding, and thus there may be more expensive riders racing, or there may not. Todays budget looked about right.

Oh also the formula doesn't take into account 3 credit riders, so actually provides you with more budget than if it did include those riders.

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enrique [2383 posts] 2 years ago
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TERatcliffe26 wrote:

... I don't know any details about the formula.... I upped the budget... and thus... Todays budget looked about right... the formula doesn't take into account 3 credit riders, so actually provides you with more budget than if it did include those riders.

Out of curiousity...  39 How do you run the formula? Is it part of the game or is it in an Excel spreadsheet outside of it? Do you put all the riders in the competition into the database and then tell it to suggest a budget based on those riders and then you decide whether to 'up' it or not?... Do you then enter the number you think is 'fair' into the game?...  39 Thanks for responding... The way the game is run is really interesting to me...

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TERatcliffe26 [4693 posts] 2 years ago
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I just select the teams and then set the rider values. Once they are set I just ask it to recommend the budget, it does its thing and gives me a number. Its in the game engine.

If I think the number is acceptable I can put that in as the budget, or change it if we wish. In this instance due to the volume of riders it was always going to suggest lower than if we had the startlists for all 6 races, and no difference of teams from race to race, so I upped it slightly

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enrique [2383 posts] 2 years ago
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TERatcliffe26 wrote:

... Its in the game engine....

Dave is one smart guy...  41 Thanks, TER... Dave, how does the algorithm for the budget value work?...  39 No astrophysics, please...  1

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