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My first Tour and it looks like tactics during this need to be adapted from the usual fayre.

Still over a week and a half away, which is less than ideal.

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AWPeleton [3325 posts] 2 years ago
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The first week should be fairly simple to read with nigh on every stage flattish so the sprint teams will be to the fore.

HOWEVER this is the tour so anything can happen with every team wanting to be involved and have their share of the limelight.

I cant wait for it to start  4

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Joelsim [1975 posts] 2 years ago
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I think you need to look at the parcours. Sprints wont be as iften as expected in the first week

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Ghedebrav [1100 posts] 2 years ago
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Yeah, the second stage will almost certainly not be a sprint; a very demanding stage. Even the first might suite Sagan over Cav & co,

S3 into London will be a proper sprint, but it's not long from there to the cobbles, where I imagine Fabs will be after a stage win.

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AWPeleton [3325 posts] 2 years ago
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Totally agree about stage 2. All the other stages upto 7 seem straight forward, yes there's the cobbles section but this is not a classics race, its the tour and the jersey holders teams wont want to lose it.

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Joelsim [1975 posts] 2 years ago
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Yep, 2 and 5 shouldn't be sprints for sure, and it wouldn't surprise me if a couple of the others aren't either.

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TERatcliffe26 [4621 posts] 2 years ago
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For me its set a sprint team, and then work backwards....

How many penalties, and who do you go for?

stage 2 is a must have Sagan in, and then its the best of the rest. Also though you have to keep in mind the intermediate sprints.
Ive got a couple of strong guys in such as Bennett and Bennati, but equally Greipel can be strong and if the breakaway wins it could still be a sprint for 5th place down.

As for stage 5, again don't think it will be a full n sprint and again Sagan is a no brainer (unless you wanna risk). and then maybe someone like Terpstra, and Degenkolb, but I still think someone like Greipel will do ok over cobbles.

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livestrongnick [2118 posts] 2 years ago
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Might be worth factoring long range forecasts have rain for thr opening stages!  35

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Nix [73 posts] 2 years ago
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Joelsim [1975 posts] 2 years ago
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This tour gets harder for picking a team the more I look at it. With several flat stages you would think it would be relatively easy, but the sprinters are expensive. Stage 2,5,7,8,9 are anyone's guess plus a risk of breakaways in the others.

Choices, choices.

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AWPeleton [3325 posts] 2 years ago
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My hardest decision is whether to go Cav or Sagan in my purist team.

If Cav then it free's up another 4+ points towards a better rider....  39

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Joelsim [1975 posts] 2 years ago
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I would have thought that was a no-brainer

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TERatcliffe26 [4621 posts] 2 years ago
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Sagan surely?

Ive gone Sagan and Modolo as my sprinters

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Joelsim [1975 posts] 2 years ago
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Ive got 5 or 6 in mine.

At the moment.

None this morning.

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TERatcliffe26 [4621 posts] 2 years ago
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Think Im gonna go Sagan over Cav for stage 1 in standard too to give me another transfer for stage 2. As I did have the combo of Cav/Bennati, now going Sagan/Haussler. Struggling to find much value at the sort of 8-15 range for sprinters, but plenty when i comes to lumpy/mountains, especially in the say 9-17 range.
Also can't decide on Kittel or Kristoff, and I can't get Demare in. Kittel is good don't get me wrong, but from a fantasy point of view he can be so hit and miss

Can't decide on purist, got 7 pretty much set in stone, although im worried about my sprint options. Can't seem to be able to have the balls to do it without Contador/Froome and go with another sprinter, as I only have Sagan and Modolo.
Do I drop Contador for say Talansky, and be able to bring Demare for my other mid priced climber.

Decisions

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Joelsim [1975 posts] 2 years ago
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This is how my Purist is looking at the moment. It will obviously change during the course of this week. A lot.

Peter Sagan (CAD)
Alexander Kristoff (KAT)
Arnaud Demare (FDJ)
Sacha Modolo (LAM)
Danny Van Poppel (TFR)
Rein Taaramae (COF)
Arnaud Gerard (BSE)
Alessandro De Marchi (CAD)
Thomas Voeckler (EUC)

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TERatcliffe26 [4621 posts] 2 years ago
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Almost opposite to mine

Contador
Bardet
JVDB
Sagan
Modolo
Voeckler
Bideau
Nieve/Frank
Voss/Ladagnous

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Joelsim [1975 posts] 2 years ago
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TERatcliffe26 wrote:

Think Im gonna go Sagan over Cav for stage 1 in standard too to give me another transfer for stage 2. As I did have the combo of Cav/Bennati, now going Sagan/Haussler. Struggling to find much value at the sort of 8-15 range for sprinters, but plenty when i comes to lumpy/mountains, especially in the say 9-17 range.
Also can't decide on Kittel or Kristoff, and I can't get Demare in. Kittel is good don't get me wrong, but from a fantasy point of view he can be so hit and miss

Can't decide on purist, got 7 pretty much set in stone, although im worried about my sprint options. Can't seem to be able to have the balls to do it without Contador/Froome and go with another sprinter, as I only have Sagan and Modolo.
Do I drop Contador for say Talansky, and be able to bring Demare for my other mid priced climber.

Decisions

Out of the 13 bunch sprints that Cav & Kittel have been involved, Cav has only won 2.

Kittel, looking at his PCS stats, has only failed to win one sprint that he has contested this year. This doesn't include those that he has been dropped before the sprint has commenced/crashed.

Basically if he is there in the final straight, odds-on he will win it.

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TERatcliffe26 [4621 posts] 2 years ago
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Should have clarified, when I said hit and miss with Kittel, I was referring to him making it to sprints you should expect him to contest, ie, I see Kristoff contesting more sprints than Kittel (and Cav for that matter, although Cav always seems to have another gear at the tour), same can be said for Greipel as I see him as stronger these days, with a little less top end.

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Joelsim [1975 posts] 2 years ago
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Kreuziger out of the tour for irregular passport readings that have failed to be explained.

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AWPeleton [3325 posts] 2 years ago
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Joelsim wrote:

Kreuziger out of the tour for irregular passport readings that have failed to be explained.

ha, he's contador's wing man. Massive loss to their team  4

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Joelsim [1975 posts] 2 years ago
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Huge. Good job that other bastion of clean riding Mick Rogers is on hand.

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AWPeleton [3325 posts] 2 years ago
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Perhaps Bjarne could ge this bike out again, it would make a canny threesome !

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Joelsim [1975 posts] 2 years ago
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AWPeleton [3325 posts] 2 years ago
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Part of his comments on facebook:

"Since my return from Italy I have not trained much, I was very tired and still feel the effects of this 3-week race. I do not feel ready to compete in the Tour de France. Yesterday I got a phone call from Bjarne Riis, who said that my start in France has already been decided and that I have to go.

"I'm not happy with this decision. I believe that the Tinkoff-Saxo management does not care about my health. I'm 24 years old and I believe that riding two Grand Tours in a row at my age is too much. I hope I am wrong. However, I have concerns"

Obviously Tinkoff Saxo have the riders health at heart, perhaps Bertie could sort him out a little pick me up.

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Joelsim [1975 posts] 2 years ago
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I suspect most in the peloton could sort out a little help.

But given everyone else doing it, and the small matter of several thousand kms up damn great big mountains over 21 days, it's hardly surprising.

(And not as if it isn't rife in every other sport either).

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thefatcyclist [543 posts] 2 years ago
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Cavendish has bronchitis, I would think that it might be a problem for the first days maybe. Depending on how bad, probably hands day 1 to Kittle. There again if a breakaway gets really organised.

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Joelsim [1975 posts] 2 years ago
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I'm tempted to go without either for stage 1

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livestrongnick [2118 posts] 2 years ago
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I have no cav, kristoff or kittel  13

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Ghedebrav [1100 posts] 2 years ago
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I tend to follow the betting, but - showing my hand - I would prefer Sagan for stage one ahead of Cav/Kittel/Greipel.

Kristoff I think will be up there, maybe even podium. Demare is a bit of a question mark, as is Degenkolb (anyone else find it odd that Giant have brought him to essentially ride for Kittel? Or have they targeted other stages for him?).

My stage one squad has half an eye on stage two as well. That stage two looks amazing, and should mix things up on GC very early on.

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Joelsim [1975 posts] 2 years ago
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There are about 50 riders who could win stage 2. Cav and Kittel aren't two of them.

Degenkolb has his own stages to chase.

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