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Joelsim [1975 posts] 2 years ago
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Given my chances are all but over in the Dauphine after picking Kwia over Froome and losing 49 points on that one alone, when is Suisse opening please?

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Twybaydos [448 posts] 2 years ago
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Please be aware that as stage 7 is a time trial around the city of Worb, listed as from Worb - Worb, this may be the most dubstep bike race ever

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Gkam84 [9086 posts] 2 years ago
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That is NOT the startlist, that is what pro cycling thinks is going to be the startlist apart from Sky which has a green tick.

I shall be sticking with this http://www.tourdesuisse.ch/fileadmin/user_upload/News/Fahrerliste__Teams...

Until such times as they release the final startlist. That is their provisional list released on 3rd June

http://www.tourdesuisse.ch/en/news/news_detail/article/provisorische-sta...

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Joelsim [1975 posts] 2 years ago
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Twybaydos wrote:

Please be aware that as stage 7 is a time trial around the city of Worb, listed as from Worb - Worb, this may be the most dubstep bike race ever

That sounds like an excellent excuse to take some drugs.

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Twybaydos [448 posts] 2 years ago
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When is tour de Suisse opening? If it starts Saturday am and I'm going on the piss Friday night I would like to do my team Thurs night if poss.

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Ghedebrav [1100 posts] 2 years ago
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Twybaydos wrote:

Please be aware that as stage 7 is a time trial around the city of Worb, listed as from Worb - Worb, this may be the most dubstep bike race ever

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Funniest thing I've ever read on road.cc!

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Ghedebrav [1100 posts] 2 years ago
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Twybaydos wrote:

When is tour de Suisse opening? If it starts Saturday am and I'm going on the piss Friday night I would like to do my team Thurs night if poss.

By the way, very much this ^^^^^^

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tony kappler [80 posts] 2 years ago
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To Dave or Gkam,

"Information on scoring" question again. (Am I the only guy who looks at this?).

Firstly, there are no "scoring notes for this competition" listed. (eg 35,30,25 etc).

Secondly, in the "points competition (Tour)" (ie 5 down to 1), is this for the main points comp or the intermediate sprint comp? Last year you scored the int sprint comp, but I read your "inf on scoring" as implying the main points comp.
And since riders score main comp points in the prolog, this implies that the winning prolog rider will score 35+10+5.

I'm presuming there is no young rider comp as per last year. The inclusion of this category in the "inf on scoring" may lead players to assume there is, and possibly lead to choices biassed towards young riders.

Cheers

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farrell [1950 posts] 2 years ago
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Twybaydos wrote:

Please be aware that as stage 7 is a time trial around the city of Worb, listed as from Worb - Worb, this may be the most dubstep bike race ever

You, sir, are bloody brilliant.

I just had to make the Worb-Worb noise, out loud, at my desk.

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Gkam84 [9086 posts] 2 years ago
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There is no youth rider cat. I have removed it

Points will be based on intermediate sprints and NOT on finish line points. I forgot to put the scoring information in, so I've asked Dave if he can stick it in for me. Sorry about that.

So basically, there will be no points for sprints on the first stage as it is an ITT

I can't find last years results on the official site, so not 100% sure there was a combat award either, but leaving it in to be on the safe side. If they decide to score a young riders this year. I will add that back in. As they have no scoring information or jerseys listed on their site. Lets assume it hasn't changed.

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enrique [2341 posts] 2 years ago
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Is Dennis Vanendert in the game database?...

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frank [5 posts] 2 years ago
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Gkam84 wrote:

Points will be based on intermediate sprints and NOT on finish line points.

Excuse the ignorance, but does that mean that if there's a break, those folks in it are more liable to get these points? And, does the Tour de France also have more than one 'Points' jersey?

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Joelsim [1975 posts] 2 years ago
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It does frank.

The Tour will have points, mountains and youth classifications.

Finish line points are not counted in the stage scoring although they do count towards the actual 1st to 5th place points in the classifications as above ie 5 points for the top rider in the standings at the end of the stage.

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enrique [2341 posts] 2 years ago
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This budget sucks... What's wrong with 150 for both the Dauphine and the Tour de Suisse? Are you guys going off of a formula based on the rider field or just your own discretion?...  45 By the way, was a formula used for the Giro or the Dauphine? Or were both arrived at by discussion between the game manager and the Boss man?...  39

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TERatcliffe26 [4621 posts] 2 years ago
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The formula calculates the budget based on the field, and then we set the budget. The budget is the same for all at the end of the day

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enrique [2341 posts] 2 years ago
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TERatcliffe26 wrote:

The formula calculates the budget based on the field, and then we set the budget...

So, out of curiosity, what did the formula suggest for the Giro, the Dauphine and the TDS?  39 ...

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TERatcliffe26 [4621 posts] 2 years ago
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enrique wrote:
TERatcliffe26 wrote:

The formula calculates the budget based on the field, and then we set the budget...

So, out of curiosity, what did the formula suggest for the Giro, the Dauphine and the TDS?  39 ...

I do not know, as I was not running the set up for any of those.

What I can say though, is take the TdS at 140,compared to the giro at 180, there were a much greater amount of riders in the 30-40 bracket at the giro compared to TdS, also a much greater amount of 3 credit riders. Whether you see them to be valuable at there price is another matter.

My opinion is that the budget for the TdS seems about right, maybe 1 or 2 credits too low, but it may have suggested 141 or 142, in which case it would have been put at 140.

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enrique [2341 posts] 2 years ago
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I think we should just take a look at the highest valued riders in each competition and use them to set the budget... So here would be my formula for the TDS:

38.1 Peter Sagan
30.9 Cadel Evans
30.8 Rui Faria Da Costa
29.4 Bauke Mollema
3.0
3.0
3.0
3.0
Total 144.2

That simple (!) Doesn't that look beautiful?  4 Just take the 4 highest valued riders, cram them in and surround them with 3.0 riders and you got your budget!... Sounds fair to me!  4 Maybe round up to the highest number...  39

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dave atkinson [6223 posts] 2 years ago
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or maybe you just play the budget you get, and quit moaning  105

it suggested 136. i'm happy to give you a special low budget, enrique, if you like

dauphine and giro were both ~145 IIRC. giro was deliberately high to see how it affected things. we normally round up. it's only a suggestion based on a simple algorithm

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Gkam84 [9086 posts] 2 years ago
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This will be your scoring notes

Finish line points
35, 30, 25, 22, 20, 18, 16, 14, 12, 11, 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1
KOM points
The number of scoring riders on a KOM climb is the maximum number of points available. So if five riders score, the first rider will receive 5 points down to 1 point for the fifth rider
Sprint points
6, 4, 2 points for the first three riders on any intermediate sprint
Sprints jersey
The sprints jersey competition overall will be scored as the points competition jersey.

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Gkam84 [9086 posts] 2 years ago
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Joelsim wrote:

It does frank.

The Tour will have points, mountains and youth classifications.

Finish line points are not counted in the stage scoring although they do count towards the actual 1st to 5th place points in the classifications as above ie 5 points for the top rider in the standings at the end of the stage.

No....Finish line points won't be counted and it will be the intermediate sprints and the sprints jersey that will be scored

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VVV73 [408 posts] 2 years ago
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Gkam84 wrote:

There is no youth rider cat. I have removed it

Points will be based on intermediate sprints and NOT on finish line points. I forgot to put the scoring information in, so I've asked Dave if he can stick it in for me. Sorry about that.

So basically, there will be no points for sprints on the first stage as it is an ITT

I can't find last years results on the official site, so not 100% sure there was a combat award either, but leaving it in to be on the safe side. If they decide to score a young riders this year. I will add that back in. As they have no scoring information or jerseys listed on their site. Lets assume it hasn't changed.

lucky I popped in here, or would never know~!

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VVV73 [408 posts] 2 years ago
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Gkam84 wrote:

This will be your scoring notes

Finish line points
35, 30, 25, 22, 20, 18, 16, 14, 12, 11, 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1
KOM points
The number of scoring riders on a KOM climb is the maximum number of points available. So if five riders score, the first rider will receive 5 points down to 1 point for the fifth rider
Sprint points
6, 4, 2 points for the first three riders on any intermediate sprint
Sprints jersey
The sprints jersey competition overall will be scored as the points competition jersey.

thought forum wasn't linked to fantasy so how do the non- forums readers find out about all this ????????
What game says is still confusing
Sprint points
6, 4, 2 points for the first three riders on any intermediate sprint

Sprints jersey
The sprints jersey competition overall will be scored as the points competition jersey.
NICE WORK all with 1 day to go, great work *claps*
Have we had a drama (cock-up) free tour yet this year ?

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Gkam84 [9086 posts] 2 years ago
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It isn't linked, want to read it in the game....GO HERE

http://fantasy.road.cc/stages?sid=8601

1 day to go?? When it opened you had over 38 hours to pick a team....

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enrique [2341 posts] 2 years ago
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Dave Atkinson wrote:

... i'm happy to give you a special low budget, enrique, if you like...

No, no, no... I'll take a higher one please... Wasn't the Giro fun for everyone?... I guess I don't take stress and hard decision-making too well...  39

C'mon, Dave, don't you like my simple idea below?..

enrique wrote:

I think we should just take a look at the highest valued riders in each competition and use them to set the budget... So here would be my formula for the TDS:

38.1 Peter Sagan
30.9 Cadel Evans
30.8 Rui Faria Da Costa
29.4 Bauke Mollema
3.0
3.0
3.0
3.0
Total 144.2

That simple (!) Doesn't that look beautiful?  4 Just take the 4 highest valued riders, cram them in and surround them with 3.0 riders and you got your budget!... Sounds fair to me!  4 Maybe round up to the highest number...  39

It's just a few more credits!  1

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enrique [2341 posts] 2 years ago
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VVV73 wrote:

Sprints jersey
The sprints jersey competition overall will be scored as the points competition jersey.

For what it's worth I'd rather the Points Competition count the Finish Line Points just to try to be consistent with the Tour de France and always use the one that rewards the points at the stage finish no matter what race is going on...

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Gkam84 [9086 posts] 2 years ago
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When I did the calculations. It came up with 136....I was going to set it at 135...so you already have 5 extra points  38

Because there are two different jerseys and not a combined points in the TdS that is why I'm scoring the sprints, otherwise it is just rewarding those home first ever day. They already get rewarded.

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chrisdstripes [1726 posts] 2 years ago
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Can I just ask - there are still 257 riders available for this race as the final startlists haven't yet been applied. So - can you trust your algorithm that sets the budget? I don't care either way, and I hate people moaning about budgets - its your game and you can set whatever budgets you like, its the same for all of us. But you seem to be implying that the budget is set at least in part based on the values of the riders that are riding, and at the moment there are still 12 riders listed for a number of teams (AG2R, Astana, Belkin) so that might throw off the calculation no? I actually think 140 is fine for this race, its just that the thought occurred to me and I wondered if it had occurred to you too, and whether you've looked at it and it doesn't seem to make any difference.

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chrisdstripes [1726 posts] 2 years ago
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enrique wrote:
VVV73 wrote:

Sprints jersey
The sprints jersey competition overall will be scored as the points competition jersey.

For what it's worth I'd rather the Points Competition count the Finish Line Points just to try to be consistent with the Tour de France and always use the one that rewards the points at the stage finish no matter what race is going on...

For what its worth I agree with Gkam, if a race has a separate intermediate sprints jersey we should score that and not the points jersey. Its only the 5,4,3,2,1 points per day, and especially with tight budgets its better to give the low-priced riders more chances to score points.

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Joelsim [1975 posts] 2 years ago
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No Spartacus for me tmw.  17

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