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Curse my indecisiveness... After selling my bike, I am stuck in a rut now, deciding on the 4 Italian bikes here:

1. Bianchi Intenso - Looks good with the celeste. It's a C2C bike, meaning it caters towards long distance cycling. Exposed RD cable beneath the chain stay, takes some points off my list. Price wise, I can get the Wilier with 11 speed Ultegra by topping slightly a bit more...

2. Wilier GTR - Beautiful color scheme, a stand out among these 4 bikes. The carbon fork looks bland. Great cable routing, making it looks even better. IMO, the color may be a bit too loud for my taste...

3. Colnago AC-R - Love that black-white colored model. Really lousy wheels to start with. Brake calipers that is half-resin, half alu, doesn't inspire confidence on descent. External cable routing on top tube, this puts me off a lot, as well as the external cable routing beneath the chain stay after the BB. Cheapest bike among these 4, good price to value imo.

4. Pinarello Razha K - Always wanted to try out a Pinarello frame, now that it comes in an entry level carbon that doesn't cost 1 arm, 2 legs and a couple of kidneys, it sure looks like a good buy. The slanted(?) chain stay puts me off a lot. Doesn't give the same feel as the Razha which imitates the Dogma. The FD is clamped on the seat tube instead of brazed-on, this minus more marks on my list. Fully internal cable routing ensures a clean looking bike and easy to polish. Most expensive here.

Overall, Wilier seems like the best choice here but price wise, it is the second most expensive compared to the Pinarello. Next, if I go for the Colnago, I got some cash left and I was thinking of quick selling the wheels off and installing a cheap, made-in-Taiwan light carbon wheels.

I climb most of the time on my bike during the weekends. Short spins during the working weekday nights.

So what are the opinions?

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Super Domestique [1596 posts] 1 year ago
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Not much point in me replying then  3

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allez neg [497 posts] 1 year ago
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If it were me, it'd be the Bianchi. Decent grumpy (gruppo, but I liked the autocorrect)

Nice classical colour, classy looking all round.

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therevokid [911 posts] 1 year ago
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colnago with campag ... job done  4

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trevisotart [18 posts] 1 year ago
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get the pina you know it makes sense ! mind you I am biased  21

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daddyELVIS [654 posts] 1 year ago
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The Colnago would look great with an upgraded wheelset

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Flying Scot [908 posts] 1 year ago
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On looks alone, the Bianchi and Pinarello are spoilt by that god awful chainset from the worlds leading manufacturer of angling equipment.

Colnago and a few upgrades would be my choice of the 4.

As you have your heart set on Italian, why not go with an Italian groupset too?

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Miles253 [198 posts] 1 year ago
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I think the willier is prettiest, followed by the Colnago. But with these frame you always get substandard kit I feel, premium is for ItalianBrand. I would definitely put Campagnolo on it though, the lines just match better

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kenong [21 posts] 1 year ago
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Super Domestique wrote:

Not much point in me replying then  3

 1 Just couldn't make that decision...  102

Anyway, budget wise, Colnago is the best bet and seems like it's leading the pack now according to the replies here. Much thanks  4

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smiley_boy2501 [38 posts] 1 year ago
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Based purely on looks Willier or Colnago.

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Super Domestique [1596 posts] 1 year ago
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Oh go on then  4

Pina or if not then the Willier.

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fukawitribe [1430 posts] 1 year ago
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Normally say Wilier, but that Colnago is really nice..... mmmmmm

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notfastenough [3661 posts] 1 year ago
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Based just on looks, Colnago then Bianchi. However, the reality is that every one of these bikes will be good, but if you can get to ride them all, that will tell you which one to buy.

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fukawitribe [1430 posts] 1 year ago
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notfastenough wrote:

but if you can get to ride them all, that will tell you which one to buy.

..and you get to ride them all, which is not a bad way to spend the time.

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Ayoub Al Djinn [2 posts] 1 year ago
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I got the Bianchi it's an amazing frame, comfortable, stiff and light, and the kevlar inserts really seem to dampen out bumps from the forks and stays.

And it looks stunning too as paintwork is a pearlessent celest. Most people stop and comment on it.

It's let down by the components i think, I'm in the process of removing the FSA brakes and campy Veloce shifters and replacing with a silver Athena groupset and some Shamal Ultra wheels, plus super logic stem, bars and post when I can afford.

But its a matter of choice they are all fine bikes!

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surly_by_name [296 posts] 1 year ago
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I hate curved tubes, so I think the Bianchi is the best looking of the lot of them, although the crankset is minging. (I am a bit surprised by this. I normally hate celeste.) I don't understand why you would pay the Italian brand premium though. To put the size of that premium in context, you can get a Canyon Ultimate CF 9.0 (full ultegra 11 speed (mechanical), Ksyrium Elite S wheels) for £1899 or a Planet X N2A (full ultegra 6800, 50mm carbon clinchers) for $2k.

If you want an Italian brand on the outside of your Taiwanese (or mainland China) made carbon frame I guess it's worth it.

(I don't work for either Canyon or Planet X - although I've owned/own several bikes by both manufacturers. However, I've found that whenever I look at the price of a bike its useful to think "how much of a Canyon or PX would that amount of money buy me?".)

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kenong [21 posts] 1 year ago
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Dropped by a few lbs and had a thorough look through the bikes. This is what I found out: (based on my point of view, not everyone)

Pinarello Razha: The matt finishing is not that nice. The head tube is a big difference from the higher end frames. The external cable routing below the down tube is a big let down IMO. The bb is pf30 but looks like a downgraded version. The general look is fine, it has the Dogma feel to it. The rest of the components are nothing to shout about. It comes with a semi-compact crank, 52-36 combination.

Bianchi Intenso: Frame finishing is fine, it looks expensive. Cable routing is good. A nice choice but value wise, still weak compared to what Wilier can offer. The Wilier cost £55 more for 11 speed and better resale value for the components.

Wilier GTR: Color, finishing and overall looks good. The down tube, at the bottom part it is the tip of the triangle, would be better if it were flat and with some wordings or design. The down tube bottle cage screw area wasn't properly painted. Spotted the imperfection of the coloring on the 2 screw holes. Seems like this is on all the bikes (I only saw the lime-black version) Otherwise the frame looks clean and worth the price with the Ultegra 11 speed. Only the shifter, cassette, RD and FD are Ultegra. May not be easy to sell in the future since it's not a complete set but definitely holds a higher value compared to the other offerings.

Couldn't find the Colnago AC-R yet though...

Should I just settle for the Wilier GTR? It cost £275 more than the Colnago.

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Yorkshie Whippet [499 posts] 1 year ago
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Have you test ridden any of them?

Remember the parts can be changed overtime so the ride and frame are most important.
FWIW I'd my heart on the Willer until I saw a Ridley Fenix and still the GTR is a nice looking bike.

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glynr36 [637 posts] 1 year ago
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Find the Bianchi with a campag gruppo on it! Best of both worlds then, you don't want fishing tackle on an Italian bike.

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Super Domestique [1596 posts] 1 year ago
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What about the Razha K you were looking at?

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crikey [1252 posts] 1 year ago
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Personally, I'd be discounting all the comments from people who think buying Campagnolo gives them some kind of credibility over and above buying any other groupset.

When you've used a number of different groupsets, you can choose one you like, but all that silly one-upmanship based on something you can buy is a bit sad.

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glynr36 [637 posts] 1 year ago
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crikey wrote:

Personally, I'd be discounting all the comments from people who think buying Campagnolo gives them some kind of credibility over and above buying any other groupset.

When you've used a number of different groupsets, you can choose one you like, but all that silly one-upmanship based on something you can buy is a bit sad.

I think someones taking it all a little to seriously....

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kenong [21 posts] 1 year ago
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Super Domestique wrote:

What about the Razha K you were looking at?

Couldn't find it anywhere and it's the same with the Colnago too. Guess I just have to be patience and wait.

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trevisotart [18 posts] 1 year ago
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glynr36 wrote:

Find the Bianchi with a campag gruppo on it! Best of both worlds then, you don't want fishing tackle on an Italian bike.

Don't know about their group sets , some of the fishing tackle is not up to scratch !  21

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Super Domestique [1596 posts] 1 year ago
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kenong wrote:
Super Domestique wrote:

What about the Razha K you were looking at?

Couldn't find it anywhere and it's the same with the Colnago too. Guess I just have to be patience and wait.

Keep searching  16

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Miles253 [198 posts] 1 year ago
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Does anyone else get annoyed that the first piece of Ultegra to be omitted to cut costs is the crankset? And then the brake set, the two most well reviewed pieces of the group? Shifters probably being next in the list as a major change from 6700.

I think it takes away a lot of the value and performance of Ultegra, especially where brakes are concerned.