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Want to see what the 'Within Budget' Dream Team for today's stage looks like? See below...

After my rant, I decided it'd be fun to see what the Top 10 riders could be tomorrow, so here's my Dream Team for tomorrow's Stage 1... Of course, it's a Dream Top 10 so there are no budget restrictions  1 ...

29.7 Tony Martin Omega Pharma - Quick-Step
37.8 Michal Kwiatkowski Omega Pharma - Quick-Step
40.0 Christopher Froome Team Sky
28.9 Richie Porte Team Sky
20.4 Rohan Dennis Garmin Sharp
12.1 Michael Hepburn Orica Greenedge
20.1 Jean-Christophe Peraud AG2R La Mondiale
28.8 Tejay Van Garderen BMC Racing Team
23.2 Andrew Talansky Garmin Sharp
13.7 Brett Lancaster Orica Greenedge

If you think you can create a higher scoring Dream Team, feel free to post your Top 10 team below. This could be fun!  1

Original Thread:

First, I hate prologues. They're so diffficult to predict. Will Froome come out charging and try to take the leader's jersey outright? Is he in good shape? Yuck. I wish I could put in 5 different teams.  39 Will Stage 1 be ridden hard enough to get rid of all but the GC contenders? Is Porte going to make sacrifices or stick around for a good GC position? Will Kittel come through for more than one Top 20 placing? All of this, of course, could be made much simpler if we got a budget of 200 points  3 Or (!) if we got 4 transfers a day!  4 Can Kwiatkowski come through for a Top 10 placing on Stage 3? Will Voeckler go on a raid on Stage 3? Will Jens? Ugh. I hate this game sometimes..  22 But I love the people here and how sensitive they are to my emotional issues  36 Dave should come up with another version of the game where you could buy more transfers with cash, not game points  4 ... That way you could make all the transfers you want but it wouldn't affect your score  4 And he'd get rich!  4 But then I couldn't afford that either!  22 Or maybe once in the competition you could 'borrow' future transfers with no penalty... Sometimes I think race organizers are so inconsiderate to Fantasy Cycling players! Why can't they have the 2 'Sprint' stages in a row, so we can save on transfers? Damned incosiderate people! They put no thought into the Fantasy Cycling fans! This is hard!  4

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drheaton [3318 posts] 2 years ago
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You start a thread entitled "Tour de Romandie Purist Teams" and then complain that you haven't got 4 transfers a day?!?

enrique wrote:

But I love the people here and how sensitive they are to my emotional issues

That's putting it mildly.

I'm curious, do you actually want to talk about the race or are you just fishing for emotional reactions from the people on the forum?

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enrique [2349 posts] 2 years ago
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drheaton wrote:

... do you actually want to talk about the race or are you just fishing for emotional reactions from the people on the forum?

Please take your 'emotional reaction' elsewhere... I'm trying to run a serious thread here...

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drheaton [3318 posts] 2 years ago
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enrique wrote:
drheaton wrote:

... do you actually want to talk about the race or are you just fishing for emotional reactions from the people on the forum?

Please take your 'emotional reaction' elsewhere... I'm trying to run a serious thread here...

Of course you are.

On a separate note, Dave, can you please make it so that thread title's and initial posts are locked after a certain period? There are far too many instances where thread titles are changed regularly and where the first post (which gives context the following discussion) is changed heavily some time after the discussion goes off in a different direction.

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enrique [2349 posts] 2 years ago
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drheaton wrote:

Dave, can you please make it so that thread title's and initial posts are locked after a certain period?

Could you take take your requests and post them on the Forum Suggestions thread, please?  39 I'm trying to run a serious thread here and you keep interrupting... You're scaring people away...  39 Please?  45

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chiv30 [986 posts] 2 years ago
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enrique wrote:
drheaton wrote:

Dave, can you please make it so that thread title's and initial posts are locked after a certain period?

Could you take take your requests and post them on the Forum Suggestions thread, please?  39 I'm trying to run a serious thread here and you keep interrupting... You're scaring people away...  39 Please?  45

In all fairness that's a legit point Enrique just made  31

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Gkam84 [9092 posts] 2 years ago
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Go on then....This is my top 10, but not in any particular order  17

29.7 Tony Martin
20.4 Rohan Dennis
40.0 Christopher Froome
28.8 Tejay Van Garderen
21.3 Cameron Meyer
24.1 Tanel Kangert
18.0 Stef Clement
18.6 Lieuwe Westra
16.8 Jonathan Castroviejo
22.3 Thomas De Gendt

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Joelsim [1975 posts] 2 years ago
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Froome
Kwiatkowski
TVG
Talansky
Peraud
Nibali
Uran
Zoidl
De Gendt
Martin

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enrique [2349 posts] 2 years ago
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Joelsim wrote:

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Nibali and Zoidl  41

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chiv30 [986 posts] 2 years ago
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I'll keep mine to myself thx

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enrique [2349 posts] 2 years ago
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chrisdstripes wrote:

You're on your own on this one Enrique - 145 is on the high side of about right looking at the riders and values...

I know...

chrisdstripes wrote:

In fairness it was one person complaining and everyone else disagreeing with him  1

I have to admit you're right.

But this what I'm thinking... I am no cycling guru... There is no way I would ever win a stage, much less a competition in this game, but I do love the 'look and feel' of this game!  1

My theory is this, even if I had an unlimited budget I would never 'own' this game. So, since I'm curious, I think I'll track the scores for what would have been Dream Teams for a couple of the stages in Romandie.

My theory is that a slight rise in the budget, in this case 6.3 credits, would allow people to select higher valued riders, just 4, in my case, but it would not give the unknowledgeable cycling enthusiast, like me, an unfair advantage! Nor do I think it would make 'all the teams the same'. I think that's highly unlikely.

And I don't think it would make the game less fun. I actually think it would make the game more (!) fun!  1

I think you have to put a whole lot of planning into this game, epecially in stage racing where you're stuck with your choices for a longer period of time. I just think we could enjoy a small rise in the budget and that small rise would not be a disaster. I may be wrong but I'll start out testing the team I originally wanted for today's prologue (below). This is the same team I had posted earlier and was salivating to 'own'  1

40.0 Christopher Froome
28.8 Tejay Van Garderen
37.8 Michal Kwiatkowski
29.7 Tony Martin
3.0
3.0
3.0
3.0
3.0

Evem though I love this team, I think it will probably be a disaster (!) today and hell to manage throughout the week. If you're dumb enough to start out a stage race with just 4 big value riders, does it mean, everybody else, will do the same? Of course not!

My point is a small rise in the budget still restricts you, but I don't think that small rise has as huge an impact as people seem to think. I think we can safely raise the budget a few points and the people who, for example, know the track riders for a day like today, (not me!), will win out anyways, and the dumb folks like me, who would just want a 'pretty' team stacked with 4 All-Stars would pay a hefty price for their dumb choices and not win anyways, so, why not ease up on the budget a little anyways?  1 I'd be happier!  1

Feel free to join me if you're curious! Just put down what you think you would have chosen as a Dream Team today if you had had a budget of 151.3. Of course, waiting to see who wins today's prologue can skew your choices, so if you can, either post your team before the end of today's stage or post a team which you honestly would have wanted without knowing today's results. Thanks!  1

drheaton wrote:

... so it's best just to ignore them.

I understand. I am even one of the people who 'liked' your comment!  1 I will try and not feel offended if you ignore me...

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enrique [2349 posts] 2 years ago
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Here we go:

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enrique [2349 posts] 2 years ago
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Gkam84 wrote:

1 Michal KWIATKOWSKI
2 Rohan DENNIS
3 Marcel KITTEL
4 Giacomo NIZZOLO
5 Tony MARTIN
6 Brett LANCASTER
7 Matthias BRANDLE
8 Jesse SERGENT
9 Ramunas NAVARDAUSKAS
10 Martijn KEIZER
11 Danny VAN POPPEL
12 Alexandre GENIEZ
13 Jon IZAGUIRRE INSAUSTI
14 Christopher FROOME
15 Lieuwe WESTRA
16 Cameron MEYER
17 Jesus HERRADA LOPEZ
18 Vincenzo NIBALI
19 Thomas DE GENDT
20 Anthony ROUX

That was pretty quick! Where did you get your results?  39

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enrique [2349 posts] 2 years ago
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Using my handy dandy spreadsheet, I'm pretty sure this would have been the highest scoring 'within budget' team posible for today's stage:

37.8 Michal Kwiatkowski
19.1 Marcel Kittel
20.4 Rohan Dennis
19.8 Giacomo Nizzolo
13.7 Brett Lancaster
12.5 Matthias Brandle
11.5 Jesse Sergent
3.5 Martijn Keizer
3.0

Total 141.3

No Froome!  40

And, actually, below (!) the 145.0 credit budget available for this competition.

Not bad (!)

But  4 , back (!) to my point!

How would my Dream Team have fared today, at a budget of 151.3?

It would have scored only 99 points (!)  39

37.8 Michal Kwiatkowski 50
29.7 Tony Martin 31
28.8 Tejay Van Garderen 10
40.0 Christopher Froome 8

So, in essence, just being able to pick the 4 highest value riders does not make for a good game strategy. I honestly think if we raised the budget a few points, the game would still be extremely satisfying, not 'boring' nor 'easy'!  4

So,  39 I would suggest as a budget guideline, especially for the Tour de France, that the budget allow for a player to be able to select the 4 highest valued riders and 5 3.0 riders. In the Tour de Romandie, the current competiton, this would be:

37.8 Michal Kwiatkowski
37.7 Vincenzo Nibali
40.0 Christopher Froome
28.8 Tejay Van Garderen
3.0
3.0
3.0
3.0
3.0
Total 159.0

The only problem might be, now that I think about it, that it truly might make the Purist game more alike... But the Standard teams? I don't think anyone would start a stage race just with 4 high value riders  4

Only a fool, like me  4 , would do that, but, in all honestly I think everyone's fears that the game would be 'too easy' would not (!) be realized, 'cause there's so (!) much more to the game than just (!) selecting the 4 highest valued riders! So, what do you say, Dave, can we have a bigger budget for the Tour?  39

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enrique [2349 posts] 2 years ago
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Well, it's weird...  39 Given an unrestricted budget and no limitations and the task of trying to pick the Top 10, none of us did a spectacular job... It probably would have been better if it had been a sprint finish or a longer time trial or a mountaintop finish, but none of us managed to pick more than 4 of the Top 10 with an unlimited budget...

Gkam placed Tony Martin and Rohan Dennis correctly in the Top 10, Joel placed Kwiakowski and Tony Martin and I placed Kwiatkowski, Dennis, Martin and Lancaster... Thanks for playing, guys...  41

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Joelsim [1975 posts] 2 years ago
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I would have done better if I had read that it was just for the prologue stage rather than the whole race.