País Vasco Purist Competition

by arsene   March 31, 2014  

My second mini target of the season after Tirreno where I finished 15th. After that comes the Giro as my main objective this year. Then Tour, Vuelta and Lombardia as other important races. Cool

Anyway, last year I got a 5th place in the purist competition here and I really like this race because of the hard stages and the rain. Day Dreaming

Let's gear up for this important event my fellow purist players! Party

Date: 04/07 - 04/12
Official website: http://vueltapaisvasco.diariovasco.com/index.php
Parcours: http://vueltapaisvasco.diariovasco.com/2014/etapas/etapa1-ordizia-ordizi...
Startlist: http://vueltapaisvasco.diariovasco.com/equipos-ciclistas-vuelta-pais-vas...

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Despite saying I would put effort into this comp I realised at 9am this morning I hadn't picked either team and hadn't done any prep (the weekend got away form me a little bit).

Anyway, two teams thrown together with no real thought put into them, let's see how this goes.

posted by drheaton [3429 posts]
7th April 2014 - 9:57

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Going to be suffering tomorrow as I know most of those roads for stage two pretty well, and wont be riding them again until late July. Wish I had arranged a holiday now!

posted by stevemarks [407 posts]
7th April 2014 - 10:24

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Fuck!!! I missed out on the deadline. Wanted to make one last change - Polanc for Wellens. D Oh Crying

posted by arsene [217 posts]
7th April 2014 - 10:59

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arsene wrote:
Joelsim wrote:
You can tell me, just our secret

I can tell you now:
Polanc and Koldo.
Wink

Pah, already had Koldo Fernandez!!!

posted by Joelsim [1130 posts]
7th April 2014 - 10:59

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Joelsim wrote:
You can tell me, just our secret

I can tell you now:
Polanc and Koldo.
Wink

posted by arsene [217 posts]
7th April 2014 - 11:01

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That's cool then. Applause

Why do these fucking deadlines have to be so early though? At Wits End

posted by arsene [217 posts]
7th April 2014 - 11:09

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arsene wrote:
That's cool then. Applause

Why do these fucking deadlines have to be so early though? At Wits End

The stage has been open to pick teams for a while now, no need to leave it till the last minute Smile

If you must break the law, do it to seize power: in all other cases observe it. Gaius Julius Caesar.

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posted by stumps [2697 posts]
7th April 2014 - 11:13

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I was making my head up over and over again. Sad

posted by arsene [217 posts]
7th April 2014 - 11:14

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arsene wrote:
That's cool then. Applause

Why do these fucking deadlines have to be so early though? At Wits End

It's so you can't pick riders in a break after the start! Surprise

posted by Joelsim [1130 posts]
7th April 2014 - 11:15

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Start time is 1.15 CET. Confused

posted by arsene [217 posts]
7th April 2014 - 11:18

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Deadlines were moved further from stage start times to try and avoid any potential overlap and another incident similar to what happened during Gent-Wevelgem.

I know it's shit but sadly it's a step that needed to be put into place to try and avoid any possibility of it happening again.

The deadline for every stage this week is 10am GMT so at least they are consistent and those above are right, you can submit a team and change it right up to the deadline.

posted by drheaton [3429 posts]
7th April 2014 - 11:31

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One thing is that some posts on the forum are going out of sequence.

posted by Joelsim [1130 posts]
7th April 2014 - 11:32

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Joelsim wrote:
One thing is that some posts on the forum are going out of sequence.

That's been happening a while, not entirely sure why, think I raised it a while back but I doubt it'll be an easy fix.

posted by drheaton [3429 posts]
7th April 2014 - 11:36

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Sad
I'm just shocked because my team would've been perfect with this one change, sorry.

posted by arsene [217 posts]
7th April 2014 - 11:41

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arsene wrote:
Sad
I'm just shocked because my team would've been perfect with this one change, sorry.

No need to apologise, and sorry if I came across a little harsh.

I think the intention is that deadlines will be earlier going forwards and that players will have to try and get used to it. For my races at least I think I'll try and keep one deadline time for all stages for consistency unless one stage (a TTT or ITT for example) start particularly late or a long mountain day starts particularly early.

There's a balance to be found between precaution (trying to avoid any chance of a race starting before the transfer window closes) and giving players as much time as possible to pick their team. Over time we'll find that balance but I think we were pushing to keep deadlines as close to start times as possible and got bitten in the arse over Gent-Wevelgem so needed to change something.

posted by drheaton [3429 posts]
7th April 2014 - 11:57

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Valverde
LuLu
Contador
Panzerwagon
Spilak
Gorka Izz
Roy
Cunego
Kessiakoff

are my purist

posted by ray silvester [1807 posts]
7th April 2014 - 12:01

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Pretty sure there's no Youth Jersey and hence no Youth points in this race?

posted by ray silvester [1807 posts]
7th April 2014 - 12:14

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drheaton wrote:
Deadlines were moved further from stage start times to try and avoid any potential overlap and another incident similar to what happened during Gent-Wevelgem.

I know it's shit but sadly it's a step that needed to be put into place to try and avoid any possibility of it happening again.

The deadline for every stage this week is 10am GMT so at least they are consistent and those above are right, you can submit a team and change it right up to the deadline.


The deadlines are actually 9am GMT, 10am BST.

I have to say, I'm not a fan of these early deadlines. I'm aware of the GW hassle, but that was caused by confusion over which way the clocks went, and whose clocks changed when. Having a 2 hour gap between race start and deadline time, just to avoid an (at most) twice a year confusion seems excessive.
In Catalunya, I spotted a late tweet that one of my riders would be a DNS. The penalty transfer I incurred gave me a 7 pt net benefit and saved the overall FS win. This wouldn't be possible in this race and seems an unfair penalising of those who choose to spend more time on the game (usually for naff-all gain on my part).
The FoxClocks addon for Firefox is your friend in this - showing GMT, your local time and the race local time. Surely, 15 mins or so before the official neutralised start time is a sufficient gap.

posted by simon F [990 posts]
8th April 2014 - 10:56

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I do agree with you Simon, but as someone who does scoring, rosters etc, making the deadlines earlier is worth it, if we are gonna get the backlash that occurred last weekend, as it seems any minor mistake made gets pounced upon, so we are covering our own backs and maybe a few have spoiled it for the many.

posted by TERatcliffe26 [3859 posts]
8th April 2014 - 20:43

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There are a few points I would make to this but I'm loath to re-open old wounds. I would just like to quote Dave one last time - the late risers bit I find particularly relevant to me

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3) We'll continue to keep the deadlines close to the stage starts because it gives people the maximum amount of time to make transfers, which is especially helpful for late weekend risers and those not playing in the UK.

posted by simon F [990 posts]
8th April 2014 - 21:33

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If it goes to 1 hour before the start
FWIW, deadline and neutralized start time used to pretty much coincide - didn't have a problem with that.

posted by simon F [990 posts]
8th April 2014 - 21:36

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simon F wrote:
I have to say, I'm not a fan of these early deadlines... Having a 2 hour gap between race start and deadline time, just to avoid an (at most) twice a year confusion seems excessive...

Dave Atkinson wrote:
We'll continue to keep the deadlines close to the stage starts because it gives people the maximum amount of time to make transfers, which is especially helpful for late weekend risers and those not playing in the UK.

I agree. Joel, why don't you and Northstar agree with simon F, agree not to raise a ruckus over the deadlines again so we can go to having a deadline only one hour before the start? If it goes to 1 hour before the start, well, with any change of the clock, (hopefully) no break will establish itself right at the start, so I think it's reasonable to have the deadline at 1 hour before the start. I don't think Joel and northie will mind (hopefully)... And I think for the most part, if a race start changes, it's more likely to be a delay rather than starting earlier... I think that is reasonable... And while we're at it, why don't we honor a gentleman's agreement not to place known breakaway riders if this ever happens again? I think that's reasonable, too Thinking

drheaton wrote:
For my races... I think I'll try and keep one deadline time for all stages for consistency...
Ok, so you get to set the deadlines for your races... Does TER set his then?... What about Gkam, is he still not able to set deadlines?... What about me? Can I set deadlines, too?...

simon F wrote:
The penalty transfer I incurred gave me a 7 pt net benefit and saved the overall FS win. This wouldn't be possible in this race and seems an unfair penalising of those who choose to spend more time on the game (usually for naff-all gain on my part).

We could also get a 'transfer reset' button! Big Grin

http://road.cc/content/forum/73543-game-suggestions

drheaton wrote:
...sorry if I came across a little harsh.

Damn. Finally. I cringed. This happens quite a lot.

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posted by enrique [1683 posts]
8th April 2014 - 21:43

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Quote:
the deadlines again so we can go to having a deadline only one hour before the start?

The deadlines aren't a problem except when the clock goes back (as far as i can see) - that was my only "problem" with it.

I didn't mean change every race of the season.

posted by northstar [1099 posts]
8th April 2014 - 21:53

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Hi guys,

Whilst I brought the subject up originally, it was merely to remove points from those who gained. When it was explained that this wasn't possible I backed off. Since the original date the only thing I have posted is to give the guys who run it a break.

Joel

posted by Joelsim [1130 posts]
9th April 2014 - 13:33

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Forgot to post my team (purists):

Valverde
Contador
Spilak
Péraud
Swift
Fraile
Kennaugh
Wellens
Koldo

It hasn't been brilliant so far, but I'm still in contention for a good result heading into the three decisive stages in 34th position, constantly climbing up the table. Cool

Having missed the deadline wasn't such a bad thing in hindsight as Polanc only sprinted to 13th today and now Wellens has his chances for a breakaway. Laughing
So does Fraile who already scored a couple intermediate sprint points today.

From my GC guys, Kennaugh wasn't so well going into this race. Worried I thought he could surprise but it's ok.
It's not the first time for Spilak to have a bad opening stage, but he hasn't lost much time and should be much stronger in the coming stages. Party

It's kind of frustrating not to have either Landa or Villella though. They were a part of my team until the evening before the race. At Wits End

However I'm still close to the top and it's everything to play for. I'm confident I can score a top 10. Smile

posted by arsene [217 posts]
9th April 2014 - 23:35

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Five strongest riders today:
Poels, Contador, Valverde, Péraud, Spilak
4/5 Party

Unfortunately the last climb wasn't hard enough, so the strength of my GC guys isn't so obvious in the results. Confused

Still, I moved up to 17th!

I need a rider in the break tomorrow - Wellens or Fraile. Waiting Angry

posted by arsene [217 posts]
10th April 2014 - 18:18

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Went all in, 3 riders in the break today, 158 points - moved up to 3rd!!! Party

posted by arsene [217 posts]
11th April 2014 - 19:13

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4 transfers done for tmw. A calculated risk on taking Valverde out to fund some TTers

posted by Joelsim [1130 posts]
11th April 2014 - 22:18

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Fianl GC: 1. Contador, 2. Kwiatkowski, 3. Péraud, 4. Spilak, 5. Valverde
4/5 Applause

Final result: 6th Applause

I think I can be satisfied after my riders finally turned up for the last 3 stages.
I stay consistent in País Vasco - last year 5th, this year 6th.

Now a rest and then my main objective of the season is coming - the Giro d'Italia!! Wave

posted by arsene [217 posts]
12th April 2014 - 19:07

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R.E. raysilvester No YTH pts
If that's the case that's bullocks, I allowed for youth riders even going thru overall listing for highest juniors, AS IT WAS ADVERTISED IN THE SCORING..First time I have hear that its only if the actual official Race has yth jersey. Hmmmmm

Waaaa Waaaaa !

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posted by VVV73 [389 posts]
13th April 2014 - 22:16

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