ARGH.... Rapha

by Gkam84   February 15, 2014  

By now, you ALL know my distain for the brand of Rapha.

Well it seems that I may not be on my own for very long. I got an email a couple of days with some unofficial news about a new Rapha jersey, from a "mate" who loves to wind me up.

Anyway, I thought he was just taking the piss. He was telling me about this special edition Pantani jersey...

I thought to myself, they wouldn't dare....BUT, oh yes they would.

Not only would they dare to use Pantani as a cash cow with a jersey, they have also helped make a film about him "The accidental death of a cyclist"

http://youtu.be/xfN3uxk-vRs

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April will see the official release of The Accidental Death of a Cyclist, a feature-length documentary telling the story of Pantani's dramatic rise and fall. Rapha will be commemorating the life and career of Il Pirata with a special edition Jersey due to be released in April.

This has got me REELING....What are they playing at? He died before Rapha was even around. They had nothing to do with him in his cyclist career....

Rapha are just cashing in on his life, our memories of him and his legacy.

I will stop now, because I will get into some unfriendly language. I know alot of you like/love Rapha, I'd love to know what you think of this disgusting move?

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Yeah, Jan Ullrich, ripped to the tits, boshing pills in a club.

If Rapha can get the spirit of that on a retro-wannabe jersey I'll tear your arm off for it.

You wanna check out Milltag jerseys... maybe this one? http://milltag.cc/shop/jerseys/dope

posted by bashthebox [640 posts]
23rd February 2014 - 9:44

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I rather think that if people believe what they wear to ride a bike is more important than riding their bike, then they're missing the point. When cycling ceases to be trendy, they will forget about it and Rapha will go bankrupt.

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posted by Grizzerly [120 posts]
23rd February 2014 - 11:28

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Nick T wrote:
I mainly wear Rapha so that the self styled "proper" cyclists I overtake get hit with a double whammy of shame for being scalped by a fashion victim with better legs.

Same, mine will soon be a quadruple whammy of style, speed, wonderful calf structure and; once I build my Colnago M10 up, spectacular steed. Then, clad in their ugly, ill fitting DHB cack, they'll mutter that it's made in the Giant factory and harumph to themselves that their TCR composite is the same bike.

I don't drink, therefore whilst some people spend hundreds of pounds on booze I spend my free money on nice bike things without caring what others think. It's great.

posted by ajmarshal1 [272 posts]
23rd February 2014 - 11:35

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Anyone that thinks what they wear is more important than why they ride is an utter moron.

Pain is just the French word for bread.

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posted by S13SFC [89 posts]
23rd February 2014 - 12:20

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S13SFC wrote:
Anyone that thinks what they wear is more important than why they ride is an utter moron.

I'd also add that any person who thinks what someone else wears is more important than why they ride is an even bigger moron.

posted by ajmarshal1 [272 posts]
23rd February 2014 - 13:32

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I wonder if this thread answered any of Gkam's questions or had the desired effect intended.

posted by Nick T [805 posts]
23rd February 2014 - 14:20

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ajmarshal1 wrote:

I don't drink,

Lost me there I'm afraid.

posted by drfabulous0 [314 posts]
23rd February 2014 - 15:05

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It does seem that some of the folks who are so opposed to people wearing Rapha kit are a lot more obsessed and concerned about cycling fashion than the Rapha folks who they accuse of being being obsessed and concerned about fashion. Maybe the anti Raphas need to take a step back, listen to themselves, and learn to spell disdain with a d and not a t before they start coming on all superior, or perhaps find a new target for their ire and hang around pubs on a saturday night chastising people for wearing brands of non-sporting clothes they don't approve of.

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posted by Northernbike [127 posts]
23rd February 2014 - 15:41

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drfabulous0 wrote:
ajmarshal1 wrote:

I don't drink,

Lost me there I'm afraid.

Point being, I know people who happily spend hundreds of pounds a month on drink. I don't and choose to spend my money on cycling stuff. That's my hobby.

I'll happily spend £150 on Rapha brevet jersey which will last me years, I find this far less strange or wasteful than someone blowing the same amount for no return on a few nights down the boozer.

That said, I don't judge people who spend their money that way, which is why I find it puzzling that others are quick to judge and get a little angry about premium brands like Rapha. Some spend huge monthly payments on flash cars, others will settle for a 20 year old three door Corsa. Some find a weekend in a tent up Scafell enough for their annual get away, others on three 5 star beach holidays a year. Some people like premium brands of jeans and will spend £180 for one pair, others will accept some George at Asda action.

Spend your money on what you want, just piss off* with telling others how to spend theirs and judging them for doing so.

*Not aimed at you, but those who windmill into every single Rapha & high end bike thread.

posted by ajmarshal1 [272 posts]
23rd February 2014 - 16:41

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Back to the original post. Yep, I'm very much looking forward to the film, I bet it's a fascinating watch.

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posted by Bella In Sella [1 posts]
23rd February 2014 - 18:15

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The film's made by the same people who made Senna, so it ought to be good.

As for why Pantani's lauded more than so many other dopers - he died young and tragically, he was a fascinating character on and off the bike, and he exhibited panache and vulnerability in equal measure. Yes, he and his fellow members of the peloton at the time were doped up to the eyeballs, but damn could they ride bikes. Fuck it, it was awesome at the time.

And as for the Rapha question - shove your inverted snobbery up your arse. They make great kit, if you don't want to buy it, don't.

posted by bashthebox [640 posts]
23rd February 2014 - 19:59

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Wow, I hadn't even been keeping track of replies. Seems some mixed opinions. Nice to have a wee debate on the forum now and again without it getting all nasty Love Struck

Bashthebox has got it spot on there, they could all ride bikes and it was awesome.

I wish those days were back, I shy away from watching cycling, because its become a little stale and boring. There is no-one that is very exciting to keep my interest alive. Voigt, but he's to old to be going mental every stage.

Sagan could come through and do it, but I think he is going to stick more to the classics/sprinting.

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posted by Gkam84 [8825 posts]
23rd February 2014 - 21:26

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Gkam84 wrote:
I wish those days were back, I shy away from watching cycling, because its become a little stale and boring.

Yeah, its like the modern riders don't have the same explosive energy anymore. They obviously are not as fit as the guys 10-15 years ago. Look at how skinny they are now compared to the muscles on Lance and Jan, now they were REAL climbers; they could just ride away from tiny Columbians. No tactics, nutrition or new technologies, just head to head brute force mountain climbing. Ahh dopstalgia.


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posted by bikeboy76 [1254 posts]
23rd February 2014 - 22:39

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You can't deny that freak shows are entertaining, whether you're aware you're being hoodwinked or not.

posted by Nick T [805 posts]
23rd February 2014 - 22:46

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Nick T wrote:
You can't deny that freak shows are entertaining, whether you're aware you're being hoodwinked or not.

Much like WWF as a child, but alas, you grow out of it.

Now, UFC is where it's at. That is real....we need some of the in cycling.....ok, I know that is not a real possibility.

But we need passion and drive is cycling. To me, it seems many are just going through the motions. Yes they have worked hard and are the best cyclists out there, they need to show it though

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posted by Gkam84 [8825 posts]
23rd February 2014 - 22:53

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Gkam84 wrote:
Nick T wrote:
You can't deny that freak shows are entertaining, whether you're aware you're being hoodwinked or not.

Much like WWF as a child, but alas, you grow out of it.

Now, UFC is where it's at. That is real....we need some of the in cycling.....ok, I know that is not a real possibility.

But we need passion and drive is cycling. To me, it seems many are just going through the motions. Yes they have worked hard and are the best cyclists out there, they need to show it though

So you hark back to the days of blatant cheating with misty eyes and wonder why it can't be like that now but have an issue with a clothing company.

That's totally normal. No really, it is, honest.

Pain is just the French word for bread.

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posted by S13SFC [89 posts]
23rd February 2014 - 23:07

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That's just what stage races are about, you need to keep one eye on tomorrow's stage rather than aim for a knockout in the first round. That's probably why your man Sagan is more interested in the Classics.

posted by Nick T [805 posts]
23rd February 2014 - 23:11

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I wish those days were back, I shy away from watching cycling, because its become a little stale and boring. There is no-one that is very exciting to keep my interest alive.

It's the same as F1; flair and panache and suicide attacking doesn't win races when everyone else is looking at a power meter and a heart rate monitor.

15 years ago, the "science" in bike racing was all about who had the best drugs. Now it's aerodynamics and nutrition and power. You've got to decide which you want - the entertaining drug fuelled spectacle of the past or the scientific fractions-of-a-second approach now.

Although we've gone a bit off topic of where Rapha fits in to that - personally I can't really find much to dislike about a successful British company that's done so much to support cycling over the last 10 years. Sponsored the best UK domestic team (Rapha-Condor-JLT), promoted grass roots CX, hosted dozens of events, made some decent stylish cycling clothing and now sponsors one of the most famous cycling teams in the world. And I suppose courting a bit of controversy along the way in terms of commemorating Pantani is one way of getting talked about! Wink

posted by crazy-legs [512 posts]
23rd February 2014 - 23:37

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bashthebox wrote:
You wanna check out Milltag jerseys... maybe this one? http://milltag.cc/shop/jerseys/dope

It's alright, but I actually want Jan Ullrich gurning his balls off, swigging from a bottle of water before thumb-fingeredly screwing the cap back on and passing it back to his mate.

With his top off.

posted by farrell [1408 posts]
24th February 2014 - 13:13

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posted by farrell [1408 posts]
24th February 2014 - 13:13

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Gkam84 wrote:
Nick T wrote:
You can't deny that freak shows are entertaining, whether you're aware you're being hoodwinked or not.

Much like WWF as a child, but alas, you grow out of it.

Now, UFC is where it's at. That is real....we need some of the in cycling.....ok, I know that is not a real possibility.

But we need passion and drive is cycling. To me, it seems many are just going through the motions. Yes they have worked hard and are the best cyclists out there, they need to show it though

Am I missing something here? Take just last year in isolation:

Milan/San Remo hardest and most spectacular is many a year - with an unpredicted winner.
Some imperious displays by Cancellara in the classics (we'll look back when he's retired and realise how good he really is)
Nibali in the Giro racing the weather - proper hard man.
Froome actually racing people as opposed to power and VAM calcs in Le Tour
Tony Martin's day long ITT in the Vuelta.
Adam Hansen riding all three Major Tours (yet again).

No passion and drive there...

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posted by arrieredupeleton [551 posts]
24th February 2014 - 15:27

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farrell wrote:
Also, this: http://www.janullrich.de/

I can't tell if that's real or an elaborate pi$$ take

posted by Scoob_84 [195 posts]
24th February 2014 - 16:10

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RoboRider21 wrote:
No matter how much I admire their marketing and brand presence I just cant justify paying their prices on anything. That is all.

And that's as it should be... Each to their own.
@original poster.
The only person it bothers if Rapha kit winds you up, is you... I couldn't care less, I am just enjoying the ride...

“Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.”

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posted by Cyclist [146 posts]
24th February 2014 - 19:40

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Other than my race kit, I almost exclusively wear Rapha. Because simply, the stuff just doesn't wear out. In 7 years of wearing Rapha the only thing that's died were my original gloves, and that was because they didn't survive an accidental trip through the washing machine. This includes heavy weekly commuting (min 4 x weekly), cyclocross and road weekend riding and 2 - 3 centuries a year through winter and summer.

Sure, the brand and marketing is fancy, but the product is bombproof. When I compare the investment for the time it lasts, Rapha's a far cheaper option than anything else I've tried.

posted by Gordy748 [84 posts]
24th February 2014 - 23:43

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Its ever so tiresome that the cycling fascists are always going on about what people should or shouldn't wear, do they, dont they deserve to wear certain kit.
All manner of companies exploit the memories and images of the dead. Perhaps Rapha may make some kind of donation.
Road racing kit is generally crap looking and Rapha actually make good looking stuff.
You should all be sticking together because as a group youre generally hated by everyone.
In fact stop messing around with all your carbon fibre and digital gears, get a fixie, relax the attitude and get fitter powering up those hills Smile

posted by funkdubious [11 posts]
25th February 2014 - 7:50

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Having visited the Rapha store makes it worth the money alone. You can't do that with other high end brands.

The rest of my kit is mostly Castelli with a few other bits of Assos and some other brands.

I bought a few Rapha base layers online and was impressed, visiting the shop allowed me to try on various jackets to get the best fitting one which would be most suitable for my needs rather than ordering online and guessing. Not something you want to do when buying a premium product and paying the price.

Sure the jacket was $320 which is expensive compared to some others, but it's something I'll wear every morning ride throughout winter. 4 rides a week for 3 months, maybe 100 hrs a month, so less than $3 p/h! Given how other people have said the kit lasts very well that cost goes down even more after a few years.

posted by Tarquin [6 posts]
25th February 2014 - 8:28

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arrieredupeleton wrote:

Am I missing something here? Take just last year in isolation:

Milan/San Remo hardest and most spectacular is many a year - with an unpredicted winner.
Some imperious displays by Cancellara in the classics (we'll look back when he's retired and realise how good he really is)
Nibali in the Giro racing the weather - proper hard man.
Froome actually racing people as opposed to power and VAM calcs in Le Tour
Tony Martin's day long ITT in the Vuelta.
Adam Hansen riding all three Major Tours (yet again).

No passion and drive there...

absolutely. There is a lot of cycling on TV or streamed these days, so it's unrealistic to expect every single race to be an epic story; it's also a long season with most riders having to peak for certain races or having to support others at key times, so they can't go on suicide missions all the time.

in addition to the above, I vividly remember some other highlights of last season:

- Dan Martin in LBL and later in the TdF Pyrenean stage where Garmin were giving their all
- Barguil and Kiriyenka victories in the Vuelta, and of course Chris Horner
- Richie Porte in Paris-Nice
- cross winds blowing Valverde's chances away in the TdF
and many more I'm sure.

posted by Metjas [283 posts]
25th February 2014 - 11:27

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OK, Rapha bashers...

I'd buy Rapha if I could afford it and I'm probably the slowest "cyclist" on here. The fact that I even bother to wear lycra is something of a joke.

As people blow past me on cheap mountain bikes in their day clothes, I may feel a bit miserable on my massive 4 mile commute, but I enjoy cycling. It's my hobby. I can't help it if I'm crap.

The positives are: it helps me manage my weight & happiness; I'm one less car on the road; I get to see wildlife as I meander round the lanes pretending to be a pro (only, in the little ring).

Back to Pantani, his climbing was beautiful - true dancing on the pedals stuff - but he was another cheat. Makes it hard to eulogise or hero-worship him. Sad

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posted by nicdoye [23 posts]
25th February 2014 - 18:27

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I don't see that it makes the slightest difference whether or not Rapha are actually a part of the heritage all their marketing stuff is based on. Or even whether or not they have a genuine love for it or are just capitalising on it (although the two aren't necessarily mutually exclusive). They don't have to have actually had any association with Pantani (or whoever) to make a Pantani jersey, any more than somebody writing a biography has to have been there with the subject, or the guy making those little figures of Cav and Merckx has to know them.

The only thing about this that made me raise an eyebrow is the celebration of a doper while others are vilified.

posted by Chuck [370 posts]
25th February 2014 - 18:47

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Actually, celebrating Pantani is the exact opposite of celebrating dopers.

As a doper in a doped peloton, his is a story of glory, followed by ignominy and then tragedy. He's held out on a pedestal, not as someone to emulate, but as an example of how bad things can get when a corrupt industry uses you and spits you out.
The most interesting stories are about people who are great but flawed.
Think of some of the greats of cycling...
Hinault - massive bastard
Fignon - admitted to racing on coke and amphetamines
Merckx - introduced his son to Michele Ferrari, so draw your own conclusions there
Simpson - another tragedy.
Even the Lance story has been made more compelling by the doping.

posted by bashthebox [640 posts]
25th February 2014 - 21:41

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