Private Purist Leagues showing non Purist teams

by cranky   January 26, 2014  

Any reason why this would be happening? I know they disappeared from the league briefly only to return again!?

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Another glitch on a site with too many bells and whistles. Shame that a really good game has been ruined this season as a result of numerous glitches.

posted by memories of meseeuw [35 posts]
14th February 2014 - 19:49

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I think 'ruined' is going a bit far, obviously standard players being able to access to a premium race isn't ideal and not something that was intended but as the game grows and improves things like this will happen.

What exactly would you class as bells and whistles? The premium membership? That's optional as are any races you don't fancy competing in. The transfer carry forward? That worked well last year and was rolled out to everyone by popular demand. Anything else? I'm sure you know better but I think every recent addition to the game has been a positive and there are no "bells and whistles" that I can think of that the game would be better without.

posted by drheaton [3429 posts]
14th February 2014 - 20:07

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drheaton wrote:
I think 'ruined' is going a bit far, obviously standard players being able to access to a premium race isn't ideal and not something that was intended but as the game grows and improves things like this will happen.

What exactly would you class as bells and whistles? The premium membership? That's optional as are any races you don't fancy competing in. The transfer carry forward? That worked well last year and was rolled out to everyone by popular demand. Anything else? I'm sure you know better but I think every recent addition to the game has been a positive and there are no "bells and whistles" that I can think of that the game would be better without.

Site usability in the main. No where near as easy to use as last season.

Yes, the season will be ruined if the standard players Med Tour points stand as the leagues for standard players will now be meaningless as the playing field will no longer be level.

Which brings me to.....

Last season it was clear that the game was unfair for standard players because Premium players were allowed to carry transfers over. This was consistently touted as not being an advantage when clearly it was. But at least it was a level playing field for all standard players and we could compete against each other fairly and ignore premium players scores.

I think the rolling out of transfer carry overs to standard players this season is an admission that it was an unfair competition last season.

I have no problem with premium players having extra races, they'll welcome to them! Smile , and they can then compete against each other in their own league. But to have two sets of rules in the same game is always going to be a bit silly.

If this Med Tour mistake isn't rectified by taking the points away then the standard players' leagues are rendered meaningless and so yes, it will have ruined the season for me.

I've enjoyed playing the game as a standard player for a few seasons now and by and large the game has been brilliant (I've posted praise for it several times). Does seem to me now though that there's too much change for changes sake in a bid to make it all singing and all dancing and attract more revenue. If it ain't broke don't fix it would be my approach.

posted by memories of meseeuw [35 posts]
14th February 2014 - 20:25

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Surely scoring a competition that 90% of people didn't know about had to be rectified along with the reason this thread was started and been ignored up until now would be a good way to level the playing field!

posted by cranky [7 posts]
14th February 2014 - 21:06

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The thread and the issue has not been ignored, this problem was picked up by Gkam straight after the first scores were done by me and and an email went around everyone who runs the game. It's being looked into and once a resolution is reached I'm sure a statement will be made.

posted by drheaton [3429 posts]
14th February 2014 - 21:17

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Thanks for the update, I'm happy to hear it is being looked into. The point stands the thread was ignored though.

posted by cranky [7 posts]
14th February 2014 - 21:30

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The OP's non purists showing up in purists leagues question was ignored. At least in a sense that no response was given to it on this thread in two weeks and the issue still hasn't been resolved.

I agree though that the Med Tour mistake is fresh and is no doubt being looked into as we speak. What doesn't inspire confidence though is that it's now changed to showing as a 'standard' in the competition tag rather than 'premium' that it started out as. Hopefully this is just another glitch though and will all be sorted by standard points for this race being taken away and it returning to a premium only competition.

I appreciate the game will have glitches and I take my hat off to all those sorting the scores out each day. In the past, when there's been scoring mistakes (which is inevitable) they've always been rectified when the errors have been pointed out. Just hope the new look site (the bells and whistles) finally settles down and all glitches are eventually ironed out.

posted by memories of meseeuw [35 posts]
14th February 2014 - 21:36

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missed the OP, have contacted them to resolve.

the tour of the Med is a premium competition, so wouldn't count towards the overall non-premium anyway. the issue has been fixed and the non-premium teams for TMD will be removed for the next update.

i'm at a loss to what the all singing, all dancing new features are. the game engine is exactly the same as last year, save for the fact that the badges are per competition to keep things interesting. we've had a few glitches, but we're working to resolve them, as ever.

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posted by Dave Atkinson [7320 posts]
14th February 2014 - 22:26

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As things stand, a standard game person (Bluto) is leading the overall competition. Would it be worth offering him to buy premium before scrubbing his scores?

posted by Twybaydos [333 posts]
14th February 2014 - 22:28

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But the scores that the non premium players have picked up in two stages of Med Tour are still showing up in all non premium leagues. Will this change on the update or just the ability for the non premium players to continue with a team in the race? If it's the latter then the issue won't have been fixed.

The "all singing all dancing new features" or "bells and whistles" as I called them, is the whole new design of the page layouts/fonts styles etc etc. One feature in particular is that I used to be able to toggle between overall and this race points in my league. Now I can't and have to play around to find a way of doing it. All seems a bit like when email account providers and browsers change all their layout and functionality just for the sake of change, when there was nothing wrong with the original. Last season the site worked really well and was easy to use. No issues bar the odd scoring mistake on a stage, which is easy to make and was always rectified quickly once the error was spotted.

Hats off for the one and only rule change this season - levelling the playing field within each race by allowing all players to carry over as many transfers as they like, instead of the unfair advantage premium players had last season. That's a good move to rectify last seasons mistake I believe. The game itself is still really good.

posted by memories of meseeuw [35 posts]
14th February 2014 - 22:52

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The rolling over transfers made bugger all difference last year in terms of standard vs premium scoring.

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posted by Gkam84 [8825 posts]
14th February 2014 - 23:47

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You can say it as much as you like, doesn't make it true. Big Grin

Anyone who believes that the ability to carry unlimited transfers over compared to being restriced to a maximum 4 (6 after a rest day) wasn't an unfair advantage clearly wasn't playing the game very well. I took numerous transfer penalty points as a standard player last season and virtually every time it paid off against fellow standard players. Tells me all I need to know.

I came about 30 something on the overall for non premium races last season. That was the second best position for a standard player. Is it becoming clearer now?

No advantage whatsoever in the one day races but a clear advantage on the Grand Tours and most other stage races too. Citing the odd standard player that has a particularly good stage race result from time to time ( I was 4th in Oman last season I think) doesn't change the fact that banking transfers is a clear bonus. That's why it's been rolled out to ALL players this season because it's a good tactical tool that adds to the skill of the game. It enhances what is already a really good game.

Anyway, not sure why I'm still labouring the point as I took the decision to go purist this season to ensure a level playing field. That was before I heard about the rule change (plus I wanted to be less involved than i was last season).

Btw, two stages worth of points from Med Tour error are still counting for some players in the purist standard only league I play in, and the overall one too. Until those points are taken away then the Tour of Med issue hasn't been resolved. Only half the problem has been fixed by preventing standard players still having a team in that race.

Other than all that, keep up the good work and thanks for the game.

posted by memories of meseeuw [35 posts]
15th February 2014 - 10:58

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As for the so called layout, the game engine is exactly the same, but in terms of colour scheme etc, goes hand in hand with sponsorship from Wiggle, and prizes that come from that.
Your on about being able to toggle between aspects, I haven't noticed any differences, each race is separate and needs to be run that way with overlapping races.

As for the transfer debate, its redundant now anyway, but your argument is that if someone has say 8 transfers over someone who has 4 well yes your right it could be advantageous, however its not that black and white, not point having 8 transfers if you pick the wrong riders, and yes it is a good tactical tool, but races rarely go as you plan, and in the main the scoring from last year reflected that was no real advantage from being able to roll over more transfers from what I could see. Its been rolled out as it was a good feature.

The Tour de Med issue will be rectified, sometimes it can't just be an instantaneous fix

posted by TERatcliffe26 [3893 posts]
15th February 2014 - 19:13

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memories of meseeuw wrote:
That's why it's been rolled out to ALL players this season

it's been rolled out to all players this season because in spite of the fact that i don't think it made much difference, we could have done without the obsessing about it. so we changed it, and now it's all "i told you so" instead. Plus ça change, etc

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posted by Dave Atkinson [7320 posts]
15th February 2014 - 20:14

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memories of meseeuw wrote:
No issues bar the odd scoring mistake on a stage

you have a short memory, my friend Wink

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posted by Dave Atkinson [7320 posts]
15th February 2014 - 20:21

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Is there anyway to improve the standard of the the competitors in a private league? I have noticed the quality has declined, resulting in a lack of competition. I hope roadcc do something about this asap!!

posted by Drantley Gicks [4 posts]
15th February 2014 - 20:27

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memories of meseeuw = the new Enrique...just nod your head and agree, while all the time ignoring Big Grin

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posted by Gkam84 [8825 posts]
15th February 2014 - 20:32

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I've been following this thread due to some issues I am facing with the game and I'd like to point out that as annoying as some game errors can be , the people who run it have been nothing but helpful with my issues and their communication on a day with two stages needing updating has been exemplary.

Yes there are niggles but give them time to try to resolve them and listen to what they have to say and things should work out for both sides

posted by chiv30 [860 posts]
15th February 2014 - 21:08

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Drantley Gicks wrote:
Is there anyway to improve the standard of the the competitors in a private league? I have noticed the quality has declined, resulting in a lack of competition. I hope roadcc do something about this asap!!

don't peak too early, big man Big Grin

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posted by Dave Atkinson [7320 posts]
15th February 2014 - 21:26

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Personally i think the game has evolved into a better game all round. The new set up IS easy to follow and as for the roll over transfers i think its been beaten to death and back again.

I like the new badge system for each race and all you have to do is click the home button to get our full season points and badges, hardly rocket science is it ?

To think these lads, DrH, Gkam, TERatcliffe, Ray Silvester even Enrique do it all for free deserves mega praise and not put downs because a few players benefitted from a glitch which will be fixed.

If you must break the law, do it to seize power: in all other cases observe it. Gaius Julius Caesar.

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posted by stumps [2710 posts]
15th February 2014 - 21:33

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Ray Silvester? What does he do Thinking Thinking

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posted by Gkam84 [8825 posts]
16th February 2014 - 1:07

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Ray Silvester? What does he do Thinking Thinking

Angry

He is correct though....I run the Forum's Scorum's and try to help with the other forum based things but have nothing to do with the coding/internal mechanics of the game

posted by ray silvester [1808 posts]
16th February 2014 - 13:41

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Gkam84 wrote:
Ray Silvester? What does he do Thinking Thinking

I assume your being arguementative Wink

If you must break the law, do it to seize power: in all other cases observe it. Gaius Julius Caesar.

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posted by stumps [2710 posts]
16th February 2014 - 13:41

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Drantley Gicks wrote:
Is there anyway to improve the standard of the the competitors in a private league? I have noticed the quality has declined, resulting in a lack of competition. I hope roadcc do something about this asap!!

You could Join the big boys in the Forum's Scorum's (id76157)?

posted by ray silvester [1808 posts]
16th February 2014 - 13:46

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ray silvester wrote:
Gkam84 wrote:
Ray Silvester? What does he do Thinking Thinking

Angry

He is correct though....I run the Forum's Scorum's and try to help with the other forum based things but have nothing to do with the coding/internal mechanics of the game

Your right but you do the forum scorum's which obviously takes time and you do it for free which is what i was getting at - trying to big you up here mate Big Grin

If you must break the law, do it to seize power: in all other cases observe it. Gaius Julius Caesar.

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posted by stumps [2710 posts]
16th February 2014 - 13:53

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stumps wrote:
ray silvester wrote:
Gkam84 wrote:
Ray Silvester? What does he do Thinking Thinking

Angry

He is correct though....I run the Forum's Scorum's and try to help with the other forum based things but have nothing to do with the coding/internal mechanics of the game

Your right but you do the forum scorum's which obviously takes time and you do it for free which is what i was getting at - trying to big you up here mate Big Grin

And much appreciated Love Struck

posted by ray silvester [1808 posts]
16th February 2014 - 14:32

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Ah sorry guys, I didn't mean to put you down, I just wasn't sure, I dont keep abreast of the forum games and have nowt to do with leagues.

In that case, keep up the good work Party Party Applause Applause

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posted by Gkam84 [8825 posts]
16th February 2014 - 14:35

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ray silvester wrote:
Drantley Gicks wrote:
Is there anyway to improve the standard of the the competitors in a private league? I have noticed the quality has declined, resulting in a lack of competition. I hope roadcc do something about this asap!!

You could Join the big boys in the Forum's Scorum's (id76157)?

I think I will make do with lightweights in my league and lord it over them using twitter and the forum!

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16th February 2014 - 15:54

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Drantley Gicks wrote:
ray silvester wrote:
Drantley Gicks wrote:
Is there anyway to improve the standard of the the competitors in a private league? I have noticed the quality has declined, resulting in a lack of competition. I hope roadcc do something about this asap!!

You could Join the big boys in the Forum's Scorum's (id76157)?

I think I will make do with lightweights in my league and lord it over them using twitter and the forum!

bleedin' pro-continentals!! Rolling Eyes

posted by ray silvester [1808 posts]
17th February 2014 - 14:37

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