tdu

by JAndrewHill   December 6, 2013  

When can I start picking my squad for the tdu?

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Nix wrote:
Could someone please give me an indication about how many points a "manager" needs to get to win the TDU comp - based on past experience.

There is a winners' thread - but it doesn't have scores listed for TDU winners. Stage winning managers do have their scores listed for later comps but not TDU. Also I can't just add the stages together because the same manager doesn't win every stage.

My guess is about 900 points will get a Fantasy Manager up with the leaders for TDU overall. Is this close?

While the fantasy site is down it's hard to get any figures, you'll probably be able to pull off an approximation of the winners score once the site goes live next week.

Re the score needed to win, it really depends on the route and the startlist.

I think this years route is hillier than previous years which means there's likely to be more points scored (mountain stages always score higher than flat stages thanks to KoM points and the fact that stage winners generally also score GC points) so it could be that this year's race will take more points to win it that last years. On the other hand there's only one summit finish that I can see (stage 5) so it may score about the same as last year.

There's no way of knowing but generally, if you aim for a stage average of between 150 and 180 points you're going to be doing fairly well. For a six stage race you're looking at needing anywhere between 900 and 1100 points to win it but it all depends on how the race plays out.

posted by drheaton [3429 posts]
8th January 2014 - 13:22

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Nix wrote:
... My guess is about 900 points will get a Fantasy Manager up with the leaders for TDU overall. Is this close?

I think that's a pretty good guess. If you had had the perfect Purist team, meaning you somehow managed to choose the Top 9 scoring riders and made no changes to your roster, you could have scored 1081 points, if I'm not mistaken, so you must be pretty close to the actual figure,

http://road.cc/sites/default/files/TDU%202013%20Top%20Scorers.jpg

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posted by enrique [1795 posts]
10th January 2014 - 17:14

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If I start a league for TDU, I presume I will get some sort of league code. Then I send this code to my mates with the game link asking them to join.

With this comp, is there a way to access a league page to see if they are joining up?

posted by Nix [39 posts]
12th January 2014 - 7:54

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So it's Monday 13th January, approaching 3:30pm in Australia, but only 4:30am in UK I think.

Do we still think game site will open today? If so at approx what time during the day.

I am not trying to push things if site is not ready. It's just I've told a few people game should open today, and I want to let them know if that is not going to be the case.

Thanks

posted by Nix [39 posts]
13th January 2014 - 4:31

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site is open and up and running with both my purist and std teams picked (probably chop and change over the next week though Confused

posted by chiv30 [879 posts]
13th January 2014 - 13:40

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Dave Atkinson wrote:
it's not going to be massively different in terms of scoring, nix

Did the scoring change for the KOM points or was that the same from last year? Thinking

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posted by enrique [1795 posts]
13th January 2014 - 14:03

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I guess there's a few riders still to be added to the TDU game roster like:

Rick Zabel BMC Racing Team
Matej Mohoric Cannondale
Alberto Bettiol Cannondale
Darren Lapthorne Drapac Cycling
Julian Alaphilippe Omega Pharma - Quick-Step
Michael Valgren Team Tinkoff-Saxo
Michael Kolar Team Tinkoff-Saxo
Jack Haig UniSA - Australia
Caleb Ewan UniSA - Australia
Campbell Flakemore UniSA - Australia

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posted by enrique [1795 posts]
13th January 2014 - 15:08

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enrique wrote:
I guess there's a few riders still to be added to the TDU game roster like:

Rick Zabel BMC Racing Team
Matej Mohoric Cannondale
Alberto Bettiol Cannondale
Darren Lapthorne Drapac Cycling
Julian Alaphilippe Omega Pharma - Quick-Step
Michael Valgren Team Tinkoff-Saxo
Michael Kolar Team Tinkoff-Saxo
Jack Haig UniSA - Australia
Caleb Ewan UniSA - Australia
Campbell Flakemore UniSA - Australia

they're selected, but not showing. i'll investigate

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posted by Dave Atkinson [7506 posts]
13th January 2014 - 15:20

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Thanks Dave and now the fun begins...

I've set up a private league, and sent the number to people. Do I still have to approve them joining, or is them having the number enough?

If I have to approve everyone who joins, it might be easier to make the league public. Is there a way to edit the league to make it public?

Also I saw the lockout time somewhere .. I think it was early Tues 21/1. Could you please say exactly what timezone that is.

posted by Nix [39 posts]
13th January 2014 - 15:35

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enrique wrote:
I guess there's a few riders still to be added to the TDU game roster like:

Rick Zabel BMC Racing Team
Matej Mohoric Cannondale
Alberto Bettiol Cannondale
Darren Lapthorne Drapac Cycling
Julian Alaphilippe Omega Pharma - Quick-Step
Michael Valgren Team Tinkoff-Saxo
Michael Kolar Team Tinkoff-Saxo
Jack Haig UniSA - Australia
Caleb Ewan UniSA - Australia
Campbell Flakemore UniSA - Australia

Dave Atkinson wrote:
they're selected, but not showing. i'll investigate

Thanks, Dave. I checked against this page:

http://fantasy.road.cc/riders

Mighty useful page. Any chance you might be able to update it to include the rider values there, too? I know you're a busy man, so thanks! Smile

Nix wrote:
I've set up a private league, and sent the number to people. Do I still have to approve them joining, or is them having the number enough?

You still have to approve them if I'm not mistaken...

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posted by enrique [1795 posts]
13th January 2014 - 15:46

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I think Andy Schleck is showing for the TDU when it should be Frank...

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posted by enrique [1795 posts]
13th January 2014 - 15:50

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I found the lockout time .. 0:30, Tuesday 21st.

If this is London time, and London is 10.5 hours behind South Australian time, then it would be 11:00am in SA. Which is the exact start time of Stage 1.

Is this correct - the lockout time is at the exact start of the race, so we can swap right up to the starter's gun?

posted by Nix [39 posts]
13th January 2014 - 23:12

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Nix wrote:
I found the lockout time .. 0:30, Tuesday 21st.

If this is London time, and London is 10.5 hours behind South Australian time, then it would be 11:00am in SA. Which is the exact start time of Stage 1.

Is this correct - the lockout time is at the exact start of the race, so we can swap right up to the starter's gun?

Yup, that is pretty much the case when we know the exact start times

posted by TERatcliffe26 [3993 posts]
13th January 2014 - 23:28

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Thanks for response.

Trading has really opened up for this ... 2 per day and you can bank them. Also still buy any more you need for 10 points.

posted by Nix [39 posts]
14th January 2014 - 0:22

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Might be missing something, but any reason why the TDU prologue on Sunday isn't included?

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posted by Gizmo_ [958 posts]
14th January 2014 - 13:02

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Gizmo_ wrote:
Might be missing something, but any reason why the TDU prologue on Sunday isn't included?

It's a separate event, like a crit rather than an actual traditional prologue.

This is from the official website:

Quote:
The People's Choice Classic is a fast-paced closed circuit road race held as a preview to the Santos Tour Down Under.

posted by drheaton [3429 posts]
14th January 2014 - 13:32

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drheaton wrote:
Gizmo_ wrote:
Might be missing something, but any reason why the TDU prologue on Sunday isn't included?

It's a separate event, like a crit rather than an actual traditional prologue.

This is from the official website:

Quote:
The People's Choice Classic is a fast-paced closed circuit road race held as a preview to the Santos Tour Down Under.

Ah, I see. Ta Big Grin

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posted by Gizmo_ [958 posts]
14th January 2014 - 13:46

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What about points for Breakaways?

None of the TDU stages mention points for being in breakaway. But your How to Play still has breakaway points in its range of options for 2014. Breakaway points is the only option excluded for TDU.

So is this a mistake, or have Breakaway points been deliberately excluded from TDU scoring?

If excluded, I am disappointed. One of the reasons I picked this game over other fantasy options was because it had more points for things other than the individual riders' stage finish order. It is also more realistic for "tour managers" - getting our riders into breakaways is an objective for teams.

So could someone confirm that there are no breakaway points for TDU. Can I appeal to anyone and try to get them included?

posted by Nix [39 posts]
14th January 2014 - 22:08

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Stage races have intermediate sprints and mountain points available at various points through each stage and points for those are awarded to riders.

Breakaway points, points which are awarded to riders 'just' for being in the breakaway, are only applicable to the classics where these other points for sprints and climbs are not awarded.

Riders in a break in the TDU will get points for passing through intermediate sprint and climb points but won't get additional points on top of that.

posted by drheaton [3429 posts]
15th January 2014 - 8:59

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Thanks for response. OK if that is the situation.

But if you have a firm rule like "no breakaway points in stage races where there are sprint and KOM competitions", then I think it would be better to write that into your How To Play section instead of leaving it vague. It would remove confusion for new players (and stop you having to answer their questions).

posted by Nix [39 posts]
15th January 2014 - 9:30

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Nix wrote:
Thanks for response. OK if that is the situation.

But if you have a firm rule like "no breakaway points in stage races where there are sprint and KOM competitions", then I think it would be better to write that into your How To Play section instead of leaving it vague. It would remove confusion for new players (and stop you having to answer their questions).

Fair point, I've just read through that page and I agree, it could be clearer the different points apply to different types of race however when you go into the game there is a 'scoring information' link below each page which outlines exactly what is awarded for each stage.

posted by drheaton [3429 posts]
15th January 2014 - 11:16

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Another scoring clarification:

For winning stage team - Does the stage winner get an extra 5 points for being in the winning team, or is it only 5 points for each of the 6 other riders in his team? Assuming a 7 man team.

The scoring info suggests the winner also gets 5 extra points. Although this is inconsistent with other scoring - for example the winner doesn't get KOM or Sprint points at the finish of a stage.

posted by Nix [39 posts]
17th January 2014 - 21:12

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Its a team bonus, riders in the winners team get 5, the winner does not. They also HAVE to finish the stage/race to get those points.

The same as break away points in one day races. They can be out in the break all day, get the break away bonus, if they do not cross the finish line, they do not score anything

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posted by Gkam84 [9040 posts]
17th January 2014 - 22:10

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Nix wrote:
What about points for Breakaways?

None of the TDU stages mention points for being in breakaway. But your How to Play still has breakaway points in its range of options for 2014. Breakaway points is the only option excluded for TDU.

So is this a mistake, or have Breakaway points been deliberately excluded from TDU scoring?

If excluded, I am disappointed. One of the reasons I picked this game over other fantasy options was because it had more points for things other than the individual riders' stage finish order. It is also more realistic for "tour managers" - getting our riders into breakaways is an objective for teams.

So could someone confirm that there are no breakaway points for TDU. Can I appeal to anyone and try to get them included?

you could always pick a different fantasy game to play... just a thought Wink

posted by Nickbirtwistle [12 posts]
17th January 2014 - 23:29

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Thanks for prompt response and clarification Gkam84. I thought it would be the case that the winner would not get the 5 points as well. But when your scoring info said "5 points to **every** participating rider in the winning rider's team" I was uncertain.

posted by Nix [39 posts]
18th January 2014 - 3:15

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Well, is anyone else going for a Slovenian in their squad?

And will Trek do any better this year?

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posted by JAndrewHill [1229 posts]
18th January 2014 - 17:05

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No and yes possibly?

posted by chiv30 [879 posts]
18th January 2014 - 19:38

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This is the part I like. Comparing actual scores to potentially perfect scores in the game. The Competition winner was Nodes who scored 1050 points. Congratulations, bud! Nice play!

The best Purist team in the competition was Blaireaux d'Attaque VC (vernthemerciless) whose team scored 909 points.

But what would have been the perfect score as a Purist? Well, here's my stab at the best Purist Team possible:

19.3 Simon Gerrans 252
16.1 Diego Ulissi 184
26.4 Cadel Evans 169
7.4 Nathan Haas 137
17.2 Robert Gesink 107
15.4 Adam Hansen 97
21.1 Daryl Impey 92
9.1 William Clarke 75
7.2 Carlos Verona 34

It would have come in at 139.2 credits and scored 1147 points. This is weird, I think this is the first time a Purist team would have been able to beat all the actually entered Standard teams, if the perfect one had been chosen! But that would have been practically impossible, wouldn't it?

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posted by enrique [1795 posts]
26th January 2014 - 16:05

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Thanks!

It was a close call in the end with Kittel not taking any points on Stage 6 but it worked out OK in the end.

posted by Nodes [2 posts]
26th January 2014 - 18:56

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Nix wrote:
... My guess is about 900 points will get a Fantasy Manager up with the leaders for TDU overall. Is this close?

That was not a bad guess... 900 points wouldn't have won, but it would have made you No. 77 on the overall...

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posted by enrique [1795 posts]
28th January 2014 - 13:17

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