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When can I start picking my squad for the tdu?

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TERatcliffe26 [4601 posts] 2 years ago
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Without any official line, im gonna guess it won't be before the weekend of the 4/5th Jan, maybe even sometime later that week, 9/10th as it doesn't start till 21st Jan

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benji p [54 posts] 2 years ago
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I'd like to pick my team, too... How about somebody put up a provisional purely speculative start list with speculative rider values in for the game so we can keep busy?  1

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AWPeleton [3277 posts] 2 years ago
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Only 2 teams listed so far BMC and AG2R.

EVANS Cadel (AUS)
BOOKWALTER Brent (USA)
HERMANS Ben (BEL)
MOINARD Amael (FRA)
MORABITO Steve (SUI)
ZABEL Rick (GER)
WYSS Danilo (SUI)

BOUET Maxime (FRA)
BERARD Julien (FRA)
BONNAFOND Guillaume (FRA)
DANIEL Maxime (FRA)
DOMONT Axel (FRA)
GAUDIN Damien (FRA)
TURGOT Sébastien (FR

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dave atkinson [6209 posts] 2 years ago
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the 2014 game will open on monday 13 january, most likely. TBC in the next week or so

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livestrongnick [2118 posts] 2 years ago
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Trek Factory Racing

Laurent Didier (Lux),
Fabio Felline (Ita),
Fränk Schleck (Lux),
Boy Van Poppel (Ned),
Danny Van Poppel (Ned),
Jens Voigt (Ger),
Calvin Watson (Aus)

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backflipbedlem [1197 posts] 2 years ago
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ooohhh! Not long now! I've missed this game! Canny wait for the daily excitement that is Fantasy Cycling! The football just doesn't compare!

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Nix [73 posts] 2 years ago
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Hi,

I am from Australia, actually from a fantasy football site in Australia.
I am hoping to do Fantasy Cycling this year, and plan to attend the stages in the week of TDU. I expect a lot of others in my football leagues will want to join fantasy cycling as well.

Could you tell me how your cycling leagues work? Is there a limit on how many coaches in a league, or do we just get one league number and all use it.

Also is it right that we would get 2 free trades each night after that day's race?

FYI I've had a tweet from Orica Green-Edge that they are confirmed for TDU, but will be announcing team at time to get max publicity for the event in Aust.

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enrique [2339 posts] 2 years ago
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Nix wrote:

Could you tell me how your cycling leagues work? Is there a limit on how many coaches in a league, or do we just get one league number and all use it.

You create a league, name the laegue and then decide whether you want it to be a private league or a public league. You basically then send the league number to all your "coaches" and they join the keague. The person who creates the league has to manually confirm each team entered into the league if the league is private.

See the "User leagues" section here:
http://fantasy.road.cc/howto

Nix wrote:

... is it right that we... get 2 free trades each night after that day's race?

Yes. On longer stage races, when you have a rest day, you get 4 free trades after the stage ends before the race day. These do not expire on the rest day. Essentially you get 2 free trades for the rest day, too.

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Gkam84 [9086 posts] 2 years ago
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Enrique....you may be jumping the gun on the transfers....that's how it was last year.

This year, it could be different  19

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enrique [2339 posts] 2 years ago
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Gkam84 wrote:

Enrique....you may be jumping the gun on the transfers....that's how it was last year...

Nix, listen to the man. He knows the rules. He's run the game. He's Gkam! 'Nuff said!  1

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AWPeleton [3277 posts] 2 years ago
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Dave Atkinson wrote:

the 2014 game will open on monday 13 january, most likely. TBC in the next week or so

Is that when we have to pay our tenner for the premium game ?

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dave atkinson [6209 posts] 2 years ago
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stumps wrote:

Is that when we have to pay our tenner for the premium game ?

That's when your £475.99 will be due, yes

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AWPeleton [3277 posts] 2 years ago
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team Sky line up:
Geraint Thomas, Richie Porte, Philip Deignan, Chris Sutton. Bernhard Eisel, Luke Rowe and Ian Stannard

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Nix [73 posts] 2 years ago
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Thanks for responses.

Yes I'd read the "how to" but coming from fantasy afl football where we have a set 18 managers in each league I expected there might be a limit here. But if not that makes it easier for me to herd my cats.

Could someone give me a bit more info on the pricing / credits. For example:
- Is there a simple mathematical relationship between "total points last 12 months" and "current form" and "current value"?,
- How fast does the value repricing happen? Is it fast enough so that within the TDU event we are able to increase our total credits by buying low and selling high, or are stage trades just to adjust for bad choices, and to try and match your squad to the next day's terrain type.

Also will lockout times be an issue for us in Australia? The TDU stages start at 11am and finish at 3pm our time, so when would the open and closing trade periods be? Do these times change when event is in Europe such as TDF?

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enrique [2339 posts] 2 years ago
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Dave Atkinson wrote:

That's when your £475.99 will be due, yes

 1 That's a good deal, if it includes travel arrangements, accomodations and a special events dinner hosted by you in London recognizing the winners of each competition... Perhaps you could seat me besides STEVESPRO and Gkam at the dinner table? All in jest, but, wouldn't it be nice for you to have an informal gathering to celebrate the Fantasy Cycling season end and give out little awards in person to those who can get to a location near to your headquarters?  1 What's the Road.cc Fantasy Cycling equivalent to a "Trekkie"?

Nix wrote:

Is there a simple mathematical relationship between "total points last 12 months" and "current form" and "current value"?

There is. It's beautiful. Dave is a mathematical genius and a design guru, both attributes I love about the man. He just won't share the formula. I asked. In October. 2012.

enrique wrote:

I am very intrigued by the formula? Can we see it?

Dave Atkinson wrote:

nope. top secret. plus, i've lost the fag packet

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It exists. But it's locked up. I heard somewhere in a vault in Antartica. Guarded by trained penguin assasins. Even Snowden can't get to it.

Nix wrote:

How fast does the value repricing happen?

Very fast. Actually, that's not true. Only as fast as Gkam can do it. Which is sometimes not that very fast.  1 Just kidding. I think last year rider values were recalculated after every competition and before the next one opened.

Nix wrote:

Is it fast enough so that within the TDU event we are able to increase our total credits by buying low and selling high...

No. At least not last year. A couple of years ago, when I played the 2011 Vuelta, I think that was possible, though. It may change, I guess.

Nix wrote:

...[A]re stage trades just to adjust for bad choices, and to try and match your squad to the next day's terrain type.

Yes. Somehow, for me, they always end up being for the former.

Nix wrote:

Also will lockout times be an issue for us in Australia? The TDU stages start at 11am and finish at 3pm our time, so when would the open and closing trade periods be? Do these times change when event is in Europe such as TDF?

I think all race deadlines for changes are meant to occur when the race starts. I don't remember how I handled the TDU transfers last year, but for the TDF I had until about 5:00am New York time to make changes every day. I think one of the ideas suggested for the 2014 season was to have the ability to preselect your transfers ahead of time. I don't know if Dave has a surprise waiting for us come January or if it will be the same as last year, though. In a sense, all any of us can do is guess the answers to your questions right now, and only be able to tell you how we played last year. There might be a ton of changes or there might be a few. Whatever happens, Gkam sure seems to know ahead of time, so maybe he'll poke his head in here and throw us a few crumbs of wisdom...  1

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Gkam84 [9086 posts] 2 years ago
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enrique wrote:
Dave Atkinson wrote:

That's when your £475.99 will be due, yes

 1 That's a good deal, if it includes travel arrangements, accomodations and a special events dinner hosted by you in London recognizing the winners of each competition... Perhaps you could seat me besides STEVESPRO and Gkam at the dinner table? All in jest, but, wouldn't it be nice for you to have an informal gathering to celebrate the Fantasy Cycling season end and give out little awards in person to those who can get to a location near to your headquarters?  1 What's the Road.cc Fantasy Cycling equivalent to a "Trekkie"?

HOLY SHIT ON A STICK.....

Enrique, you've come up with a great idea....Congratulations, give yourself a pat on the back man  36

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enrique [2339 posts] 2 years ago
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Well, I guess the TDU and the Tour de San Luis are overlapping this year. Does that mean only the TDU will be in the game or do we have a surprise waiting for us?  1 By the way, I'll be happy to provide scores on any competition anyone needs help with!  1

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Nix [73 posts] 2 years ago
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enrique wrote:

) By the way, I'll be happy to provide scores on any competition anyone needs help with!  1

Is this kind offer for past events or future events?

If it is past I would be interested in seeing fantasy scores for TDU 2013. I can find videos of stage hightlights so I know winners etc. But since I haven't played fantasy before it would be good to see how that correlates to the full fantasy scoring.

Thanks for all your responses to my questions enrique

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enrique [2339 posts] 2 years ago
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... If it is past I would be interested in seeing fantasy scores for TDU 2013...

This might look a little messy, below, but I'll try to explain. It's probably easier to read by looking at the table at the end of the post but here goes:

These are the Top 19 scorers for the TDU, ranked by total score for the whole race. There were 6 Stages. Each rider's score for the day's stage is below the Stage no.

The first value, before the rider name is the rider value, how much the rider would cost you to get for the TDU, with a budget limit of 150 credits.

Then you have their score for each stage.

The last number is their total score for the whole race.

So, Geraint Thomas was worth 21.0 credits and scored 1, 60, 44, 22, 14 and 52 points on each of the stages, for a total of 193 points.

TOUR DOWN UNDER 1 2 3 4 5 6 TOTAL
21.0 Geraint Thomas Sky 1 60 44 22 14 52 193
15.6 Tom Jelte Slagter Blanco Pro Cycling 9 34 53 16 50 25 187
11.8 Javier Moreno Movistar 50 32 11 43 16 152
36.2 Andre Greipel Lotto-Belisol 50 3 40 2 39 134
14.5 Jon Izagirre Euskaltel Euskadi 11 21 9 9 33 11 94
3.0 Daniele Pietropolli Lampre - Merida 16 30 23 1 18 4 92
20.9 Mark Renshaw Blanco Pro Cycling 35 16 31 82
12.1 Ben Hermans Radioshack Leopard 37 10 7 19 6 79
14.9 Wilco Kelderman Blanco 15 18 2 23 10 68
25.7 Philippe Gilbert BMC Racing Team 12 25 28 65
26.9 Roberto Ferrari Lampre - Merida 18 30 10 6 64
13.6 Gorka Izagirre Euskaltel Euskadi 10 15 8 20 6 59
17.9 Arnaud Demare FDJ-BigMat 47 12 59
34.8 Matthew Goss Orica GreenEDGE 30 5 22 57
35.5 Edvald Boasson Hagen Sky 14 5 33 52
3.0 Jordan Kerby University of South Australia 41 3 2 2 2 2 52
8.1 Simone Ponzi Astana 31 1 17 49
18.7 Simon Gerrans Orica GreenEDGE 9 37 2 48
14.7 Jonathan Cantwell Saxo - Tinkoff 10 25 10 45

You'll find the table above in picture format in the attachment to this post below. It's probably easier to look at there. I'd post in this post, but I'm html challenged. I've seen people post pictures within posts but for the life of me I just don't know how to do that. Can anyone show me how that works? It'd be easier to show that way  7

Nix wrote:

... since I haven't played fantasy before it would be good to see how that correlates to the full fantasy scoring.

You'll have to read the scoring rules to understand the scores. For example, on Stage 1, Andre Greipel gets 50 points. 35 pts for winning the stage, 10 pts for being No. 1 on GC and 5 pts for being No. 1 in the Points Competition.

It can get complicated because people who go on breakaways can get points for KOM and sprints along the way and you also get points for your standing on the GC, PC and KOM jersey standings, etc...

Jordan Kerby got 41 points on Stage 1 by racking up a boatload of points on the KOM and Sprint points he got by going on a long breakaway alone and then he got 10 more points at the end of the stage by being the last man to cross the finish line. Breaking down everybody's points would be a nightmare, but looking at the scoring rules and the Stage Results and Jersey Standings for the Stage on cyclingnews.com should help clarify.

Here's Cyclingnews.com stage by stage coverage of the 2013 TDU:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/races/santos-tour-down-under-2013

Nix wrote:

Thanks for all your responses to my questions enrique

You're welcome. I may have further results buried somewhere but these were the ones I could get my hands on really quickly. Hope this helps.

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Nix [73 posts] 2 years ago
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Thanks very much enrique,

I understand how the scoring works - but it is good to see how many points individual riders actually get in a single stage or over the event.

Also thanks for link to last year's routes and profiles ... will be useful to compare to this year's.

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Nix [73 posts] 2 years ago
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Could someone clarify the jersey leaders / winners scoring please (or what happened last year at least).

Firstly, it says in How To Play that the jersey points are only for "grand tours". Is TDU a grand tour under your definitions? Or does this definition of grand tour equate to multi-stage race?

Secondly - it looks like jersey points were allocated after each stage in TDU last year, e.g. Greipel got 50 points after winning stage 1 - 35 (stage win) + 10 (GC leader) + 5 (sprint leader). That's OK, but what happens after the last stage. If you are the GC winner do you still only get 10 extra points the same as the GC leader after any previous stage? I would have thought you he would get some sort of bonus for actually winning GC v just leading.

I see TJ Slaghter got 25 fantasy points and came 14th in last stage 6. So maybe he got 7 pts for 14th + 10 for GC "leader", are his other points for intermediate sprints placings, or did he get a GC winner bonus above the standard 10 pts?

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Gkam84 [9086 posts] 2 years ago
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Nix, it will all become clearer when the 2014 game it open, there is no point looking at the 2013, because things may have been changed  3

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enrique [2339 posts] 2 years ago
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Gkam84 wrote:

... it will all become clearer when the 2014 game... open... things may have... changed...

I can't wait!  1

Nix wrote:

... TJ Slaghter got 25 fantasy points and came 14th in last stage 6. So maybe he got 7 pts for 14th + 10 for GC "leader", are his other points for intermediate sprints placings...?

I think his other points may have come from leading the Young Rider Classification (5 pts) and being No. 3 in the Points Classification (3 pts)...

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Nix [73 posts] 2 years ago
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Thanks for response again enrique. No matter where TJ's points come from (and he was young 24 I think), there was no big balloon point bonus for winning GC at end of comp.

Gkam84: I understand things might change, but we will only have a little over a week to understand the game and research all the riders before TDU S1. That's a big ask for new players. So I am trying to sort out as many things as possible now.

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dave atkinson [6209 posts] 2 years ago
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it's not going to be massively different in terms of scoring, nix

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enrique [2339 posts] 2 years ago
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Nix wrote:

... I am trying to sort out as many things as possible now.

Good man!  1

Dave Atkinson wrote:

it's not going to be massively different in terms of scoring...

How about in terms of transfers?....  1

Nix, this is probably information overload, but!  1 Here goes! Below is a table of just (!) the Top 20 in terms of Finish Line points. Whatever points any riders have above this is probably due to GC, Points, KOM, or Young Rider Jersey Classsification points, Combativity Awards, Intermediate sprint or KOM points, or just being the last man in...  4 I know... Too much!  1

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Nix [73 posts] 2 years ago
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Thanks enrique,
And the colour coding - green, blue, red, grey - does that correlate to stage terrain classification, or size of leading bunch, or something else?

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enrique [2339 posts] 2 years ago
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Nix wrote:

... the colour coding - green, blue, red, grey - does that correlate to stage terrain classification... size of leading bunch... ?

Yep. I chose Green for Flat, Bunch Sprint Stage Results, Blue for "Medium Mountain", Red for Mountaintop Finish and Grey for "Gray Area" - in this case a hilly stage that was a little unpredictable... Totally arbitrary color scheme really... I just like to look at it later and get a feel for what kind of stages people scored highly in...

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enrique [2339 posts] 2 years ago
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Roadcc Fantasy Cycling Sponsored by Wiggle Opens Monday 13 January 2014

I can't wait. I can't wait. I can't wait!  4

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northstar [1108 posts] 2 years ago
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It looks like you will have too...

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