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Dom from Mason Cycles talks about his new alloy and Ti Bokeh framesets, and more

Whilst wandering the halls of Eurobike road.cc bumped into Dom Mason, owner and designer at Mason Cycles who was also trudging around, but with a new bike frame over his shoulder. The show was the first public unveiling of his alloy Bokeh AdventureSport bike which was on display on the Fabric and Hope stands and the frame he was carrying around was a prototype titanium version. More on that beauty later.

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road.cc dragged Dom aside for a ten-minuted restorative coffee and cake and a quick ten minute chat about the new bike. He talked pretty much non-stop for 25 minutes…

“We noticed that with the original Resolution and Definitions – both designed as a ‘Distance’ bike to do a lot of miles in comfort - we noticed that more and more people were going on huge adventures with them, and there’s more and more people making decent lightweight packs and frame bags and saddle-packs and people seem to be embracing that, putting lightweight packs on bikes like ours, and we noticed that on our social media and feedback that a huge amount of people who had bought our bikes were putting packs on and going on adventures and going a long way and taking time off to travel across a continent or around their country, and they never thought they’d do that. And they’d write to us and say “I got your bike because I wanted to go to work all year, and I’ve got a carbon bike and I needed something with big tyres and mudguards and they’ve ended up having an adventure and going somewhere they’d never thought they’d go.”

Mason Bokeh Eurobike 2016 - Make Progres.jpg

Mason Bokeh Eurobike 2016 - Make Progres.jpg

“And last year Josh Ibbett won the TCR (the Transcontinental, a race that in 2015 ran the 3,800 kilometres from Geraardsbergen in Belgium to Çanakkale in Turkey, a distance Josh covered in 9 days and 23 hours) on a Definition and I was already thinking of making an Adventure bike, but not a heavyweight frame with loads of braze-ons that you put lots of luggage on but more of a sprinter, and I came up with the term “fastfar” which became a bit of a hashtag for us, and lots or people that were crossing continents used it, also ‘continent-crushing’. I wanted to make a bike that had the spirit of our original bikes but instead of being multi-surface it was multi-terrain so it had big tyres, it could still go fast but you didn’t necessarily have to plan exactly where you were going, so you could go down rocky tracks or across the fields for a bit”

Mason Bokeh Eurobike 2016 - Fork Top.jpg

Mason Bokeh Eurobike 2016 - Fork Top.jpg

To that end the Bokeh is designed to fit a 50mm 650b tyre in, which is about 2” in Brexit terms. The new fork has been designed to fit a bigger 2.1” 650b tyre in too, which opens up the tyre choice massively. Dom thinks that any bigger than a 50mm tyre and you should be on a mountainbike really. With a 700c wheel the Bokeh will fit a 40mm tyre in, with mudguards as well. Going against the current tend for single chainrings the Bokeh has been designed for twin chainrings should you wish and Mason has worked closely with Dedacciai to create their own chainstays that manage the tricky fit of both big tyres and a double chainset.

Mason Bokeh Eurobike 2016 - Flat Mount Rear Bolt Thru.jpg

Mason Bokeh Eurobike 2016 - Flat Mount Rear Bolt Thru.jpg

“We tooled up with Dedacciai for own alloy tubes, and titanium tubesets, we use completely different seat and chainstays with our own custom bend, the downtube is our own tube, as is the oval top-tube. And the new fork has been developed in conjunction with an Italian maker, with flat-mount and thru-axle both front and rear, I feel that riding a bike off-road, loaded up with kit justifies it, it’s something not needed on the Definition or Resolution because it compromises the stays you can use and the ride quality, but it makes sense for the Bokeh.”

Mason Bokeh Eurobike 2016 - BokehTi Headtube.jpg

Mason Bokeh Eurobike 2016 - BokehTi Headtube.jpg

“Stack heights are very similar to the Definition, even though the fork is another 20+mm higher the stack heights are very similar because I didn’t want a towering head-tube. I found that with 29ers that if you decided to have a long head-tube it didn’t accelerate and it didn’t climb up hills. I like straight-armed riding so you can punch the bike uphill and accelerate, I think that long head-tubes, even though they’re very fashionable aren’t necessarily very good at that.”

So there you go.

“And also if you’ve got a long head-tube you can’t make it shorter, so if people want to have a slammed position they can’t do that, if they want to go faster, but if they want to add 40mm of spacer they can do that, it makes it more flexible in my mind. It makes sense for a fastfar bike to be……. fast."

“The Bokeh has a strong DNA with the Definition and Resolution, it’s spirited and engaging to ride, and light, and very capable, but the geometry is modified for big wheels and tyres and for that kind of crossing all sorts of terrain fast.”

“Josh was a big inspiration for the bike because he took the original Definition out and he squeezed 33mm tyres in and went across quite big rocks, and he said “This is about it, and it’s banging about a bit” and I was already thinking about making something with bigger tyres and this just cemented that. So he’s been testing all of the prototypes and taking them thousands of kilometres so, he’s been hugely influential and useful for us to have a world-class TCR winning rider testing the prototypes. Massive.”

Mason Bokeh Eurobike 2016 - BokehTi Side 2.jpg

Mason Bokeh Eurobike 2016 - BokehTi Side 2.jpg

The Ti version of the Bokeh has been hugely difficult, Dom worked on Ti bikes with his old brand Kinesis and their GF Ti s a road.cc favourite, and he loved the idea of a titanium frame and he knows it can work beautifully, but it’s been hugely difficult to produce a titanium frame in Italy, he didn’t imagine it would be so tricky.

“The BokehTi has same geometry, same clearances, the same capability as the alloy version but with the beautiful ride quality of Ti, plus the longevity, and it’s easier to keep looking nice. Actually titanium’s great for a bike that you chuck about a lot, better than for race frame, actually….. I just thought of that (laughter) you can refinish it.”

Mason Bokeh Eurobike 2016 - BokehTi Reynolds Dropouts.jpg

Mason Bokeh Eurobike 2016 - BokehTi Reynolds Dropouts.jpg

“Its not as light as a good alloy frame, not as heavy as a good steel frame, it’s in between but it’s got all those beautiful qualities. So, I’ve been working with Reynolds for a year on a 3D printed Ti dropout with thru-axle and flat-mount, and I’ve tooled up for my own tubeset from Dedacciai so the downtube, the stays and the top-tube are all custom to Mason. And they don’t do that sort of thing with anybody apparently, but Stefano from Dedacciai really loved and believed in the brand so when I asked him to do special tubes he said he’d help. So that was like “Oh, someone cares”. So that was great and he’s done two different diameter downtubes with our upside-down D-shape profile which is the same as the Resolution and aluminium Bokeh.”

Mason Bokeh Eurobike 2016 - BokehTi Downtube Mason.jpg

Mason Bokeh Eurobike 2016 - BokehTi Downtube Mason.jpg

“We’ve had five Ti prototype frames, Josh has ridden one for a thousand kilometres and done the Tuscany Trail on it where he got bitten by a dog, and started the TCR……. (Josh had to pull out due to injury, it’s not been a good year for Josh) and we’re ready to put it in manufacture, we’re just looking for the right people for our quality of weld which we think we’ve done today.”

Mason Bokeh Eurobike 2016 - BokehTi Bottom Bracket.jpg

Mason Bokeh Eurobike 2016 - BokehTi Bottom Bracket.jpg

Dom had spent some time with the BokehTi frame over his shoulder looking for a frame-builder to build it up to his exacting standards. He wasn’t quite happy with some of the welds on this particular prototype, although they looked more than passable enough, they weren’t quite just so. On his trudging travels round Eurobike Dom chatted to a certain Italian frame-builder who he was confident could build the frame to his vision.

The price of the BokehTi frame and fork will be somewhere in the £2,500 area and Mason will be offering full build options as they do on the rest of their frames.

The alloy Bokeh frame and fork are almost ready for delivery and there’s a bunch of detail on prices and spec here. Rough weight will be 1650g for a painted medium alloy frame. “We use high quality tubing and we make these a performance weight but we don’t want to try and pare it down” Dom points out, ”our weights are really good but we’re never going to try and make it super super light because our thing is ride quality, durability, comfort, bike for life, all that sort of stuff, and not like “I’ve got the lightest bike”.”

Mason Bokeh Eurobike 2016 - SRAM Force Chainset.jpg

Mason Bokeh Eurobike 2016 - SRAM Force Chainset.jpg

With only two colours and two builds available you might feel a little limited, but Mason know what you need. “We’ve thought hard about it” Dom says, “we’ve ridden it loads, Josh has ridden it loads, you need this or that particular build. We thought really hard about tyres and we’re using Panaracer Comet Hardpack 650 because they’ve hot a real good across the range performance. I didn’t want to use slicks, we tried that big slick tyre and it’s fantastic and fast and grippy on road but it was like “Whooooooooa” as soon as you hit any loose stuff, you know, pebbly stuff on top of hardpack.”

Mason Bokeh Eurobike 2016 - Panaracer Comet Hardpack.jpg

Mason Bokeh Eurobike 2016 - Panaracer Comet Hardpack.jpg

When Dom gets asked whereabouts he would place the Bokeh in the gravel-bike genre it gets him going a little bit.

“Gravel is something I don’t mention anywhere, it doesn’t get mentioned on our website or in our descriptions, gravel sounds incredibly dull and it reminds me of piles of gravel and workmen and wheelbarrows. It doesn’t mean anything to me and I don’t think it means anything to anybody much, so AdventureSport is what we call it because it’s about these people who are finding themselves in the middle of an adventure all of a sudden, and its maybe not what they planned. Or they’re planning an adventure and they’re doing it fast and they might be competitive, so it’s not about necessarily racing, it’s not about grinding - gravel grinder - not about that, it’s about enjoying yourself, going really fast, maybe getting a little bit out of control, having a whoop through the forest, but also traveling, getting from one place to another, getting way further than they thought, people going ”I couldn’t believe it, I went so far, I didn’t think I could do it”, so this is what that bike’s for, it’s not for grinding, it’s for having fun on and having adventure and getting lost and going fast, it’s Adventure Sport, I don’t know if I made that up or not but it sounds like A Thing”

Mason Bokeh Eurobike 2016 - BokehTi Under Downtube Bottle Mounts.jpg

Mason Bokeh Eurobike 2016 - BokehTi Under Downtube Bottle Mounts.jpg

I suggest that Dom made the name up as much as anyone else made up their gravel/allroad/whatever tag.

“We’re talking about getting lost underneath a mountain, we’re not talking about just going across a prairie for ever and ever and grinding to oblivion. Maybe. Although it will do that really well…. as well”

“Fastfar is the thing. It’s become our thing, people are just doing that with all the bikes, it’s incredible. Look on our instagram, everyone’s going across Idaho, France, everything, with packs on, amazing, I honestly didn’t envisage that happening when I designed them.”

Mason Bokeh Eurobike 2016 - Fork Graphics.jpg

Mason Bokeh Eurobike 2016 - Fork Graphics.jpg

Dom’s bikes seem to have arrived at just the right time as that style of riding has suddenly become the next new zeitgeisty thing to do. It’s a knack that Dom seems to have, whilst he was working at Kinesis he specced disc-mounts on a cyclo-cross frame years and years ago, which apparently no-one used, and his Pro6 was one of the first production disc cyclo-cross bikes.

Mason Bokeh Eurobike 2016 - BokehTi Seatstay Bridge.jpg

Mason Bokeh Eurobike 2016 - BokehTi Seatstay Bridge.jpg

“The exciting thing when I started Mason Cycles was that I got inspired by big tyres and hydraulic disc brakes for road, proper drop-bar braking systems, and doing something progressive and modern and exciting with steel, but using traditional people to do it with, and at the same time the big tyre thing became a thing and even now road tyres are getting bigger and bigger, people are running them at 70psi with slick 33’s or whatever.

"People suddenly discovered they could be remarkably capable off-road and they could go a long way on it and it was much more comfortable and they could get mudguards on it and a rack on and then all of a sudden they were going off somewhere. And then people like Apidura developed these really nice packs, people don’t want to put a rack on, they don’t want to do that, they want to be able to put something on and off and put it away, they don’t want a rack and if they can put something behind their saddle, and in their frame and on their bars and go away for a week they will.

"In conjunction with what we were doing pack makers have pushed things and just made it really possible for someone to go away and have a little adventure, and the micro-adventure thing has been pushed by adventurers on their bikes and it just so happens that our bikes are really really good at it. And now we’re got an AdventureSport bike which is really really really good, and it’s for that thing, backed by one of the best riders in the world. It’s quite exciting to be in with that, we’ve been in with the disc-brake revolution, the big tyre revolution and people loving steel and things that are made by human beings, and now we’re on the cusp that whole adventuring thing.”

Dom is clearly on a roll.

“There’s a whole thing, I could bore you for hours on it, about people going back to reality, buying things from people that have actually made something, using smaller makers, having an adventure, buying some camping gear, wearing a checked shirt, buying an axe……….. isn’t there? There really is. And it kind of fits in with that really nicely, having a logo that looks like it’s been drawn by someone, all that suff. We’re all about hand-crafted and doing things and asking really small makers to make things, it’s all fitted in with what people want at the moment, anti-amazon backlash.”

Mason Bokeh Eurobike 2016 - Hand Crafted.jpg

Mason Bokeh Eurobike 2016 - Hand Crafted.jpg

“I was fascinated by this, people wanting a handcrafted leather foot for their iMac, and they’re prepared to get it from Idaho, and we kind of fit in with that, but that’s what I love anyway. That’s one of the reasons I came away from (bikes being made in) Taiwan, I felt divorced from the whole process and I couldn’t do it any more, I wanted to get my fingernails dirty.”

“It’s much much harder, but now I know the people that make the frames, I met them earlier and they gave me a hug, I get my hands dirty in their factory and we talk about things, and they try quite hard to get things right for me. It took two years to get to this part, but now I know how the Italians work, they know how I work, they know I’m a bit crazy about that kind of stuff but they like it. It’s not just normal. That’s the stage that I needed to be at, so they care about what they’re doing and they do a little bit extra for you as well. That’s part of the Mason thing, that I wanted to be in touch with the frame makers and work with people we’re friends with and who we admired, which we’ve done with people like Hope and Fabric and Hunt wheels, all that side of it is working well.”

“I’ve gone off the subject….”

Not at all Dom, not at all.

Mason Bokeh Eurobike 2016 - MA.jpg

Mason Bokeh Eurobike 2016 - MA.jpg

It’s clear that Dom Mason is a man of passion, it’s an overused word almost to the point of meaningless nowadays, especially in the context of hand-made bicycle frames, and things made in Italy, but he deeply deeply cares about things and his product. It doesn’t take much to push the buttons on Dom to get him talking, and it’s clear that he sweats the details to the point of extreme stress and worry to himself. Most of these features and decisions he makes are the ones that most won’t see or even bother about, but they’re the ones that make all the difference between normal and special, the little detail that you might spot once you’ve owned a Mason for a month or two and it gives you a little smile.

Mason Bokeh Eurobike 2016 - Dom Mason Thinking.jpg

Mason Bokeh Eurobike 2016 - Dom Mason Thinking.jpg

“I didn’t think I could talk about any of it but I did”

road.cc have been promised an exclusive first ride on the new Bokeh so watch this webspace.

Mason Cycles

Jo Burt has spent the majority of his life riding bikes, drawing bikes and writing about bikes. When he's not scribbling pictures for the whole gamut of cycling media he writes words about them for road.cc and when he's not doing either of those he's pedaling. Then in whatever spare minutes there are in between he's agonizing over getting his socks, cycling cap and bar-tape to coordinate just so. And is quietly disappointed that yours don't He rides and races road bikes a bit, cyclo-cross bikes a lot and mountainbikes a fair bit too. Would rather be up a mountain.

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fukawitribe [1917 posts] 6 months ago
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Top boy, spot on. The more I hear and see of Mason Cycles and Dom himself, the more I know that i'm going to have to get one - somehow, sometime, no idea how or when but it'll have to be done. Plenty of meh about, not so much inspiration - this just pushes all my buttons. Nice one Dom, all the best.

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kil0ran [289 posts] 6 months ago
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Need one but just don't want to bash the crap out of a Definition or Resolution paintjob on forest gravel, muddy tracks, and what pass for cycle paths on my commute. Ti would seem to be the answer, now I just need to find the money

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Ducci [94 posts] 6 months ago
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Nice, it's still touring though 

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Dom [196 posts] 6 months ago
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fukawitribe wrote:

Top boy, spot on. The more I hear and see of Mason Cycles and Dom himself, the more I know that i'm going to have to get one - somehow, sometime, no idea how or when but it'll have to be done. Plenty of meh about, not so much inspiration - this just pushes all my buttons. Nice one Dom, all the best.

Thanks very much for your kind words fukawitribe,

Very glad you like what we are doing and good to push your buttons  : ]

Looking forward to talking to you when you have found a way to get that bike.

All the best to you too.

Dom | Mason Cycles.

 

 

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Dom [196 posts] 6 months ago
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kil0ran wrote:

Need one but just don't want to bash the crap out of a Definition or Resolution paintjob on forest gravel, muddy tracks, and what pass for cycle paths on my commute. Ti would seem to be the answer, now I just need to find the money

Hi kil0ran,

The paint is pretty tough on our Resolution, Definition and new Bokeh framesets, I also get them to apply 2 coats of lacquer so it's hard to chip them and scratches polish out without getting near the paint. BokehTi is on the way, final production sample is being made this month. Ti finish will be bead-blasted [durable and stress releiving] with hi-polish logo's and special decals for Ti.

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Dom [196 posts] 6 months ago
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Ducci wrote:

Nice, it's still touring though 

Hi Ducci,

Well yes, it is but it's 'fast-touring' with some multi-terrain sections and white-knuckle rocky bits thrown in.

Or, it could just be yer old-school, 'pointing at the scenery' touring if you like ; ]

Dom | Mason Cycles.

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Disfunctional_T... [168 posts] 6 months ago
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Awesome detailing overall... but those 3D printed dropouts... yikes!

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only1redders [105 posts] 6 months ago
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Disfunctional_Threshold wrote:

Awesome detailing overall... but those 3D printed dropouts... yikes!

I'm sure Dom will be back to explain (and he has taken A LOT of time to engage with people on this forum and via email with people like me, asking endless numbers of questions), but he's told me that these aren't the final version - so ignore the finish as it currently stands

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Dom [196 posts] 6 months ago
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only1redders wrote:
Disfunctional_Threshold wrote:

Awesome detailing overall... but those 3D printed dropouts... yikes!

I'm sure Dom will be back to explain (and he has taken A LOT of time to engage with people on this forum and via email with people like me, asking endless numbers of questions), but he's told me that these aren't the final version - so ignore the finish as it currently stands

Hi only1redders , Disfunctional_Threshold ,

A lot of what you see here with the BokehTi frame is far from production, this frame was a working p.type to test tube shapes and geometry. In fact I was debating if it was right to show people at this very early stage because the finished frameset with new maker will look so different. But Jo said it would be OK, so we did ; ]

The Ti dropouts will be shaped slightly differently where they meet the chainstays and also you can see there is a mis-match in Ø's where the c.stays meet the dropout. This is because these early Dedacciai stays weren't quite right and we have now gone to a newly developed double-bend CS from Reynolds [not developed when I started on the project] which exactly matches the dropout and allows the weld to be neater. All welds will be hugely refined and top quality.

The frame finish will be bead-blasted [not 3M brushed as here] and the dropouts will be re-finished to match, the logo's will be hi-polish not sand-blast as here and the frame will be finished with special decals for Ti.

A final production sample including UD carbon Parallax fork will be ready by the end of the month, so I'll post some pictures on our media. I'm sure you'll be impressed : ]

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. . [157 posts] 6 months ago
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Dom:   I have a friend who thinks he may be stout.  Can you tell me, sorry, him, what the weight limit is on your bikes?

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Sadoldsamurai [40 posts] 6 months ago
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That paint finish looks..nearly.. as sexy as the naked Ti.

The Ti frame is indeed a thing of rare beauty.

Just wish I could afford one (to leave to my children/cycling grandchild...)

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Sadoldsamurai [40 posts] 6 months ago
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That paint finish looks..nearly.. as sexy as the naked Ti.

The Ti frame is indeed a thing of rare beauty.

Just wish I could afford one (to leave to my children/cycling grandchild...)

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Sadoldsamurai [40 posts] 6 months ago
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That paint finish looks..nearly.. as sexy as the naked Ti.

The Ti frame is indeed a thing of rare beauty.

Just wish I could afford one (to leave to my children/cycling grandchild...)

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Kevcaster [16 posts] 6 months ago
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Great bikes and service from this company.  I met Dom some time ago at an event, the ethics he applies are terrific in this day and age.

Wish I could say the same for Dedacciai who supplied me with a custom built Zero Replica frame that was unusable due to sand and swarfe baked into the bottom bracket and shot-blast sand in the tubing! Their consumer customer service is equivalent to "go away" - same for Chicken Cycles. Hey Ho. 

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burlycross [1 post] 6 months ago
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Love the Mason philosphy of producing fast bikes for real riding conditions, I want in.Seriously considering one of these, maybe the Ti version for my love of long distance fun on all terrains.

I don't suppose there is a different fork option though,  12mm axles and dynamos seem to be a disaster at the moment with extremely low bearing life reported from riders. A problem on SP hubs which are virtually throw away when worn. It would have to run a dynamo front QR hub, with three 3000Km rides this year I can't set off with that risk of failure.

Can you say who is building the Ti frame, I do hope it's not Nevi, the style of the logos look awfully familiar.

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Sven Van Anders [34 posts] 6 months ago
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Can I have mine with a fork intermally wired for a dynamo hub, and some clever terminal just below a faux top-cap?

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Sven Van Anders [34 posts] 6 months ago
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Can I have mine with a fork intermally wired for a dynamo hub, and some clever terminal just below a faux top-cap?

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BikeJon [177 posts] 6 months ago
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burlycross wrote:

Love the Mason philosphy of producing fast bikes for real riding conditions, I want in.Seriously considering one of these, maybe the Ti version for my love of long distance fun on all terrains.

I don't suppose there is a different fork option though,  12mm axles and dynamos seem to be a disaster at the moment with extremely low bearing life reported from riders. A problem on SP hubs which are virtually throw away when worn. It would have to run a dynamo front QR hub, with three 3000Km rides this year I can't set off with that risk of failure.

Can you say who is building the Ti frame, I do hope it's not Nevi, the style of the logos look awfully familiar.

The word is that Hunt wheels are working on a dynamo hub version of their excellent wheels (which accept T-A). I don't have any further details on rim sizes, spoke counts, rim widths and so on (presumably it would be on the sturdier, wider end of their offerings) but I understand they will be selling them as single wheels and they hope to get them out sometime in the new year if all goes well.

As for Ti frames - if anyone can in anyway stretch to getting one, do so! I have two. They are not up to the finish of Mason's but I got my custom built two for £800 (admittedly I ended up with a second due to a manufacturing error but hey - it was a simple inexpensive fix). But, wow, so nice to ride and look the business too.

As for 650B wheels, I do wonder if I can squeeze some 2" tyres on my bike. I still have a bit of clearance left after fitting 700cx38mm but I don't know how I equate this to a 650B size. I know I'm fine on circumference - it's more the width I cannot work out. Still, I think it is academic as the 38mm seem plenty wide enough. I'm hoping to make the Dirty Reiver next year!

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cyclisto [165 posts] 6 months ago
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Please make a matching Ti fork and I can have my dream bike.

Yes a CF fork may be better, but lets be ownest, a top-end CF frame would be better too. But Ti doesn't rust, or gets fatigued while being light thus being a frame material that will probably will out-live its owner. So please make the dream complete by adding a Ti fork...

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alexb [160 posts] 6 months ago
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Great looking bikes Don.

I spent a week riding through France with one of your customers and he was very happy. the bike looked lovely and really well sorted.

Can you tell me what the braze on on the right hand seat stay is for? Is this a hidden rack mount?

Also, I custom built a bike for myself some years back. I had intended to fit a chain "pip", but instead opted for a Columbine Cycles "Quickchainger". If you've never seen one, there's a link to their page here: http://www.columbinecycle.com/other_products.php

Clearly it's a stainless, piece, so not suited to either of your frames, but the concept works brilliantly. As you remove the wheel, the chain drops onto the rest and stays there, even if you lie the bike on its side, when you put the wheel back in, the chain is just picked up off the rest as the chain engages with the cassette. It's like magic and makes wheel changes and puncture repairs unbelievably painless and grease free!!

Perhaps worth looking into licensing the design?

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only1redders [105 posts] 6 months ago
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burlycross wrote:

Love the Mason philosphy of producing fast bikes for real riding conditions, I want in.Seriously considering one of these, maybe the Ti version for my love of long distance fun on all terrains.

I don't suppose there is a different fork option though,  12mm axles and dynamos seem to be a disaster at the moment with extremely low bearing life reported from riders. A problem on SP hubs which are virtually throw away when worn. It would have to run a dynamo front QR hub, with three 3000Km rides this year I can't set off with that risk of failure.

Can you say who is building the Ti frame, I do hope it's not Nevi, the style of the logos look awfully familiar.

Schmidt/son make a 12mm thru-axle. Not listed on their website weirdly, but it is for sale on SJS https://www.sjscycles.co.uk/dynamos/24-schmidt-son-delux-12-disc-dynamo-.... I have the QR Son 28 on my current bike and it's been faultless (including PBP) over about 7000km of riding.

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damo567 [4 posts] 6 months ago
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I've got a resolution on the way...... Can't wait! I looked at a number of options before going for the Mason but it was the eye for detail and the way you can see the pain gone through to make something just so that swung it for me. I was looking at running a dynamo hub (doing LEL on it) but the 12mm thru axle option was really expensive.

Will feedback on the resolution when I get my hands on it! 

Keep up the good work Dom, its really easy to support a brand when it is owned and ran by someone who clearly loves what they do.

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Dom [196 posts] 6 months ago
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. . wrote:

Dom:   I have a friend who thinks he may be stout.  Can you tell me, sorry, him, what the weight limit is on your bikes?

Hi . .

Please tell your friend, that we do not actually have weight limits for our frames. Tell him that many lightweight riders are bike killers whilst many 'stout' riders, like...him, keep bikes for many years. We build our bikes light but our main priority is ride quality, comfort and durability and they are built to last you a long time. We can specify Hunt GravelDisc wheels for the bikes which have a higher weight limit than the Mason X Hunt 4Season disc wheels that we fit as standard.

If you email us, sorry if you ask your friend to email us from the contact page on our site then we can talsk to him and help advise : ]

Dom | Mason Cycles.

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Dom [196 posts] 6 months ago
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Sadoldsamurai wrote:

That paint finish looks..nearly.. as sexy as the naked Ti.

The Ti frame is indeed a thing of rare beauty.

Just wish I could afford one (to leave to my children/cycling grandchild...)

Thanks Sadoldsamurai,

Very glad you like what we are doing, we do like to think they are an investment : ]

Dom |  Mason Cycles.

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Dom [196 posts] 6 months ago
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Kevcaster wrote:

Great bikes and service from this company.  I met Dom some time ago at an event, the ethics he applies are terrific in this day and age.

Wish I could say the same for Dedacciai who supplied me with a custom built Zero Replica frame that was unusable due to sand and swarfe baked into the bottom bracket and shot-blast sand in the tubing! Their consumer customer service is equivalent to "go away" - same for Chicken Cycles. Hey Ho. 

Hi Kevcaster ,

Thanks very much indeed : ]

Sorry to hear about Dedacciai, the tube guys I deal with are fantastic but I've never had experience of their frame building side of things.

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burlycross wrote:

Love the Mason philosphy of producing fast bikes for real riding conditions, I want in.Seriously considering one of these, maybe the Ti version for my love of long distance fun on all terrains.

I don't suppose there is a different fork option though,  12mm axles and dynamos seem to be a disaster at the moment with extremely low bearing life reported from riders. A problem on SP hubs which are virtually throw away when worn. It would have to run a dynamo front QR hub, with three 3000Km rides this year I can't set off with that risk of failure.

Can you say who is building the Ti frame, I do hope it's not Nevi, the style of the logos look awfully familiar.

Hi burlycross,

Thanks very much! I've been riding a Bokeh Alu off-road for the last few months and it is seriously fast : ]  The BokehTi is at it's final stages of development and we'll have a full production sample at the end of this month if all goes smoothly. Contact us through the site if you would like to know more.

We don't have a different fork option but I do know that a few makers are starting to look at 12mm thru-axle dynamo hubs as road based disc wheels are going that way. I've shot an email to Hunt Bike Wheels to see if they have anything in the pipeline.

No, it is not Nevi. The prototype frame you see here is far from ther finished article in finish and welding and the logo's will be hi-polish with a bead blasted tube finish. Please get in touch if you would like to know more.

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Sven Van Anders wrote:

Can I have mine with a fork intermally wired for a dynamo hub, and some clever terminal just below a faux top-cap?

Nice idea Sven Van Anders , but no ; ]

I considered internal routing for the dynamo cable but it was a step too far and I decided it was time to stop tinkering and get this thing into production.

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cyclisto wrote:

Please make a matching Ti fork and I can have my dream bike.

Yes a CF fork may be better, but lets be ownest, a top-end CF frame would be better too. But Ti doesn't rust, or gets fatigued while being light thus being a frame material that will probably will out-live its owner. So please make the dream complete by adding a Ti fork...

Hi cyclisto ,

Titanium is a fantastic frame material but actually as you say, carbon is really the best for a fork! Ti forks have to be a sort of 'triangulated bridge structure' to be stiff enough, if you make them look like a conventional fork they are really rather 'twangy'. We'll be sticking with carbon for the fork because it has real advantages over other materials in this area of the bike.

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alexb wrote:

Great looking bikes Don.

I spent a week riding through France with one of your customers and he was very happy. the bike looked lovely and really well sorted.

Can you tell me what the braze on on the right hand seat stay is for? Is this a hidden rack mount?

Also, I custom built a bike for myself some years back. I had intended to fit a chain "pip", but instead opted for a Columbine Cycles "Quickchainger". If you've never seen one, there's a link to their page here: http://www.columbinecycle.com/other_products.php

Clearly it's a stainless, piece, so not suited to either of your frames, but the concept works brilliantly. As you remove the wheel, the chain drops onto the rest and stays there, even if you lie the bike on its side, when you put the wheel back in, the chain is just picked up off the rest as the chain engages with the cassette. It's like magic and makes wheel changes and puncture repairs unbelievably painless and grease free!!

Perhaps worth looking into licensing the design?

Hi alexb ,

Sounds great and very glad you got the chance to ride with a Mason customer, they are a rare but growing community : ]

The braze-on at the top of the RH seat-stay is to take a 'P-Clip' to run the rear mech cable down from the TT, the lower 'guard mount also doubles up to do this task. This becomes redundant when running Di2 and the eyelets are blanked off.

I like the Quickchanger, very neat! Thanks for pointing it out.

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damo567 wrote:

I've got a resolution on the way...... Can't wait! I looked at a number of options before going for the Mason but it was the eye for detail and the way you can see the pain gone through to make something just so that swung it for me. I was looking at running a dynamo hub (doing LEL on it) but the 12mm thru axle option was really expensive.

Will feedback on the resolution when I get my hands on it! 

Keep up the good work Dom, its really easy to support a brand when it is owned and ran by someone who clearly loves what they do.

Hi damo567 ,

Not long to wait now, the V2 fork is here and we are busily prepping frames and building bikes!

Thanks very much indeed for choosing Mason, we are very glad that you did : ]  Very much looking forward to hearing your feedback on the Resolution.

More 12mm dynamo hubs are becoming available, I'll post something up when I hear more news.

Thanks again for the kind words and support for the brand.

Dom | Mason Cycles.

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