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38mm Far Sports Carbon Wheels: Update #1

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Sam gives an update on riding 38mm Far Sports carbon clincher wheels

I've ridden these wheels for about a couple of months now, from dry sunny days to atrocious 70mile club rides in the driving rain, even a hundred-miler. The first time they went on the bike transformed the way the bike looked, that's not to say there's anything wrong with the shallow profile wheels I had on previously, but the increase in rim depth looks correct on an aero frame.  I borrowed my wife's hairdryer one evening (I have little use for one on my own head!) and de-stickered the wheels before putting them on the bike.

With some trepidation, I installed the skinny titanium skewers that arrived with the wheels, there's not much material on them and every ride still has me performing a cursory check to see that everything is all as it should be.  So far there's been no problems, despite my concerns about their slenderness.

First impressions

I don't know what I was expecting of the change from aluminium to carbon, which is the primary reason for looking into these wheels in the first place.  I had thought that they'd feel different to aluminium wheels, and they're certainly taught and stiff in a way that aluminium isn't, but there's no extra 3mph; the variations are small.  The wheels are harder from a comfort perspective, there's less resonance and 'spring' from these wheels compared to my aluminium rims; it's like riding a carbon and aluminium frame, they're both stiff but in different ways.  On a fast ride, this is welcome as the wheels feel encouragingly solid, which is letting me to lean into corners with confidence; the bike tracks exactly where I want it.

The weight of the wheels is noticeable, they're not super light at 1,350g, but they are light enough to make the difference on steep climbs where every extra gram on the bike seems to drag you backwards.  Out-of-the-saddle efforts and sprints haven't put the wheels under any duress, there's been no uncertainty to the response. Again, this is an area that I thought may have been compromised by such a lightweight wheel, with a rim made from a lightweight material.  


 

Crosswinds

The 38mm deep u-shaped cross-sections cope with crosswinds fairly well.  One thing I noted with my bike before was that the frame would catch crosswinds, and the shallow-depth wheels wouldn’t, what this has done is evened out the way the bike behaves and made it more consistent; bike and wheels now move as one when influenced by a side wind.  That sounds odd, but it makes handling in such conditions more predictable.  A less aero bike may suffer the reverse.

Downsides

There have been a couple of negatives, the first being that the rear wheel has come slightly out of true.  Writing this blog reminded me that I need to tend to this issue and a few minutes with a spoke key brought everything back in line.  The amount it was out was minimal, and not unlike some other wheels that I've ridden, which have needed a tweak up after a few hundred miles.  I was also getting a bit of brake-rub when going up very steep rises, which has now been eliminated.

The second (and main) thing is the braking, it's ok in the dry but leaves a bit to be desired in the wet!  The pads I received were Far Sports “ceramic compound” and they have performed very well except on a couple of steep descents in the wet.  Scrubbing off initial speed wasn't a problem but they took a long time to start really grabbing despite hauling on the levers with a fair amount of force.  A bit of investigation reveals that this isn't something that is specific to these particular wheels, but is more of an issue with all carbon rimmed wheels, worth considering if you plan to replace your current aluminium wheels with carbon alternatives for year round riding.

The rims have suffered slightly from the few really grim rides that they've been subjected to, with a couple of very light scars on he the braking surface.  Again, this isn't inconsistent with the wear that I would expect from a light aluminium rim when put in the same situation.

Confidence

Despite the braking not being as sharp as I'd like, I've got an unexpected confidence in these wheels.  Buying directly from China has is not without concern, but so far they've performed admirably.  The initial anxieties I had about riding carbon wheels have long been forgotten and I have no apprehension riding them on a daily basis.  The way I ride isn't affected by the material, potholes/grave/cats eyes are avoided with the same determination whether carbon or aluminium.  A few friends have recommended either Reynolds Blue pads or Swiss Stop Yellow pads, so I'm going to give these a go and see if braking can be improved. 

In summary: they feel nice and stiff to ride; the carbon material hasn't resulted in a lack of confidence in the wheels; braking isn't as good as aluminium; they make the bike look great.

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Velo_Dom | 9 years ago
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Have you ridden a pair of Campagnolo zonda's?

If so how does these wheels compare in your opinion?

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SamShaw replied to Velo_Dom | 9 years ago
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I've never ridden Zonda's, sorry.

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Gordy748 | 9 years ago
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I use the Black Prince pads and they are ace, ace, ace. Can't recommend them highly enough, especially if you cycle in conditions that aren't always conducive to carbon rims (hilly, wetty places like the UK or around Seattle).

The braking is noticeably worse in wet weather, but I'm not convinced they're worse than alloy rims. Rather, braking on carbon rims in dry conditions is far, far better than alloy. I think the difference in performance goes a long way towards explaining why people think carbon is terrible in the wet.

The other factor bearing in mind is that carbon rims brake differently when they're wet. There's initially nothing, then a big squeeze... and finally they start working. It requires a different technique from the dry, braking earlier and harder before modulating around corners, but once you get used to it only muddy deluges going down steep hills would be an issue.

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IngloriousLou replied to fukawitribe | 9 years ago
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fukawitribe wrote:

[I love my other tyres, but if reliability is an issue - or I just want to arse about without looking out for flints or potholes - i'll take the tubeless every time. YMMV clearly.

I've been running Easton EA90RT with Schwalbe One Tubeless for about a month now. They ride lovely and I just don't worry about punctures.

There's not a huge amount of choice in the Road Tubeless tyres but the schwalbe are excellent and, if you don't mind paying a bit more (or ordering from France/Germany where they're half the price) I can't see any reason to go back to tubed for general riding (commuting and for fun).

I don't race but I can understand the use of tubs in that situation where you need ultimate performance and can get a new wheel if you puncture. Though speaking to friends who do race they say that a puncture at cat 2/3/4 level is basically the end of the race anyway as little chance to get back in the group.

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surly_by_name replied to Gordy748 | 9 years ago
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Gordy748 wrote:

braking on carbon rims in dry conditions is far, far better than alloy

Not my experience and I've never read anyone suggest this. (Closest is "no worse than".)

Aluminium dissipates heat better than carbon; carbon retains it in a way aluminium won't. Hot things expand. If you drag your brakes on your carbon rims they switch "on" all of a sudden as they heat up, hence they feel grabby (or vs aluminium rims, the sequence goes: normal, normal, normal, sudden bite results in squealing/lock up just a little - instinctively let off brakes - squeeze brakes again (because you still need to slow down), repeat cycle). So braking isn't the predictable, linear experience it is with aluminium rims. It's worse in the wet because you need to get water out of rim/brake pad interface as well, which doesn't happen in a predictable fashion.

So you need to learn a marginally different braking technique (or at least unlearn bad habits like dragging your pads).

Maybe you find braking on carbon rims better because you've adapted quicker but I think most people coming from aluminium rims find it hard to get to grips with the different technique required.

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birzzles | 9 years ago
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interesting to see these rims have worked out well for you. I bought a pair of 24mm clinchers from light-bicycle.com in China and the rear developed a crack along the breaking surface during the second ride - essentially the first time i had to brake on them on a hilly descent. I was using SRAM red calipers and cork pads. The rim seemed to fold in along the braking surface. You can see what i mean on YouTube if you google 'Rim Ridden Twice'. So I guess you have to be careful where you buy. Light-Bicycle didnt want to know of course.

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TheFatAndTheFurious | 9 years ago
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Any updates on these wheels, 6 months later?

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tandellcycling | 9 years ago
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the benefit of basalt fiber brake surface,provide the carbon wheels great brake performance

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wheelz | 9 years ago
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Hi,

I had a problem with my FSE wheels. I bought a pair of 38mm U shaped rims, they arrived with no hassles, ive ridden them for about 2000 miles, but the rear braking rim has deformed by about 3mm out of true. I took some photos, filled in the relevant FSE warranty forms, and bingo, all sorted.

Couldn't recommend them high enough.

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