• Tour de France Bikes 2015: Luke Rowe’s Pinarello Dogma K8-S ready for the cobbles17 hours 54 min agoI'm surprised that they have

    I'm surprised that they have gone to such lengths at the rear but little at the front to reduce shocks and vibration - I would have thought that the vibration from the bars would add noticeable rider fatigue too.

  • Driver who killed cyclist had been checking WhatsApp messages leading up to collision18 hours 47 sec agooldstrath wrote:vonhelmet

    oldstrath wrote:
    vonhelmet wrote:
    oldstrath wrote:
    So the job of a solicitor is to make it easier for a killer to get back on the road sooner? Shit, they make bankers look ethical.

    The job of the solicitor is to defend his client. It doesn't matter how reprehensible his actions. Everyone is entitled to a defence and - in case it isn't obvious - we only know who is guilty after the trial is finished, so for the solicitor to do anything but his utmost for his client would be to presuppose the guilt or innocence of the client which would rather knock justice into a cocked hat.

    Sorry, but when someone who does something they know is likely to put another human being at risk of death is given a gentle slap by way of punishment, justice is not so much knocked into a cocked hat as dragged down the road into the gutter and stamped on.

    And by the way, yes we bloody well did 'know who was guilty' in this case. But apparently neither he nor his solicitor are capable of recognising the magnitude of what he did.

    He didn't sentence himself. His lawyer didn't sentence him. The state did. It did so having regard to the evidence, the speeches made by the CPS and defence Counsel and with the benefit of having read a pre sentence report. I don't like the sentence. It's still too low and doesn't send the message. That said, amongst similar type of cases, it's not the worst I've seen.

    If you don't like the system lobby your MP to make representations that the sentencing guidelines are wrong.

    Have a read here:

    http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/s_to_u/sentencing_manual/death_by_dangerous_...

    That's the legal regime which applies. Discount for early guilty plea is up to a third. So the sentence is "about right" in relation to the regime which applies.

  • Dramatic video reveals full extent of Tour de France stage 3 crash18 hours 5 min agoNice use of 'earth coloured'

    Nice use of 'earth coloured' insulation tape there on the bars by OGE.

  • Driver who killed cyclist had been checking WhatsApp messages leading up to collision18 hours 5 min agooldstrath

    oldstrath wrote:
    bendertherobot wrote:
    RedfishUK wrote:

    His barrister, John Dye, said he was genuinely remorseful

    be interesting to know when the "remorse" started, was it immediately after the accident or when his Solicitor advised him the evidence against him was such that the best course of action was to plead guilty to the lowest possible charge in an attempt to lessen the sentence.

    A solicitor would be negligent not to advise a client of a) the fact that he is likely to be convicted and that b) an early guilty plea will attract a discount.


    So the job of a solicitor is to make it easier for a killer to get back on the road sooner? Shit, they make bankers look ethical.

    Do you read the Daily Mail?

  • Driver who killed cyclist had been checking WhatsApp messages leading up to collision18 hours 6 min agovonhelmet wrote:oldstrath

    vonhelmet wrote:
    oldstrath wrote:
    So the job of a solicitor is to make it easier for a killer to get back on the road sooner? Shit, they make bankers look ethical.

    The job of the solicitor is to defend his client. It doesn't matter how reprehensible his actions. Everyone is entitled to a defence and - in case it isn't obvious - we only know who is guilty after the trial is finished, so for the solicitor to do anything but his utmost for his client would be to presuppose the guilt or innocence of the client which would rather knock justice into a cocked hat.

    Sorry, but when someone who does something they know is likely to put another human being at risk of death is given a gentle slap by way of punishment, justice is not so much knocked into a cocked hat as dragged down the road into the gutter and stamped on.

    And by the way, yes we bloody well did 'know who was guilty' in this case. But apparently neither he nor his solicitor are capable of recognising the magnitude of what he did.

  • Dramatic video reveals full extent of Tour de France stage 3 crash18 hours 7 min agobalmybaldwin wrote:He did

    balmybaldwin wrote:
    He did faff with the helmet, but later he put 2 helmets back in the team car (including the one he was trying to fix. presumably the other car provided replacements

    did strike me as odd the way he was seemingly running about with bikes from one car to another (I'm guessing making sure good bikes were on the inside and readily available, but it didn't look like that - just a shuffling exercise with £10K bikes

    A guess from other similar cases, different riders and different bikes, you want the bikes for key riders in the right place at the right time, in this case you have just lost a rider so to be blunt you do not want his spares in the way of spares for the riders still in the race. Get his bike off car 1 and onto car 2 get the bikes that were for lesser riders that were on car 2 onto car 1.

  • Dramatic video reveals full extent of Tour de France stage 3 crash18 hours 15 min agoMercuryOne wrote:Hang on?

    MercuryOne wrote:
    Hang on? Where's the numpties with "There's no need for helmets at all." quoting their extensive scientific reports that turn out to be from a lab at the University of Wishful Thinking.

    Yeah, because every cyclist is out there doing 50+ km/h in dense pelotons. No cyclists at all toodling along at the same speed as runners, or less. Oh no.

    In other news, the world is either black or white.

  • Seasucker Talon Bike Rack18 hours 16 min agoGalerie167 wrote:On special

    Galerie167 wrote:
    On special offer at www.Probikekit.co.uk at the moment. I've just picked up a 2 bike model for just over £220 + 5% cashback through Topcashback Kiss
    Well it is pay day!

    Many thanks for that! Ordered last Monday and arrived on Friday; used it for the first time on Saturday for my mountain bike; a huge leap of faith but all went well. Outward journey I could sometimes hear the roof panels when I went over bumps so remounted it with the rear sucker closer to the side and the bike at a slight angle - problem solved!

    (I'd actually ordered one from CRC before seeing the link to ProBikeKit so returned it unopened for a full refund.)

  • Tour de France Bikes 2015: Luke Rowe’s Pinarello Dogma K8-S ready for the cobbles18 hours 16 min agoI'd imagine that as well as

    I'd imagine that as well as comfort the "shock" helps to maintain tyre/road contact which would aid grip and power transfer? Very useful performance enhancements and another marginal gain.

  • Sticky-out bits on saddles in the pro-peloton18 hours 17 min agoThank you. I thought it

    Thank you. I thought it might be something like that.

    So what happened when Cancellara (and probably other riders) had to change bikes yesterday? I might be wrong but I don't think his white bike had a sticky-out-thing.

  • Three UK cities in running to host Tour de France 2017 Grand Départ18 hours 19 min agoGkam84 wrote:London gets

    Gkam84 wrote:
    London gets everything, so they can just wait, Manchester gets it's fair share of cycling with British Cycling having an HQ there, it is Scotlands time, after being pipped by Yorkshire with them not having a proper plan and funding in place.....

    We had the funding and did the best job of the lot in Tour history.

    Scotland only got the backing due to the failed referendum.

    The Lakes roads are too narrow and no doubt it will be London again...

  • Video: Utrecht postman tears down Tour de France barriers18 hours 20 min agodanthomascyclist wrote:I'm

    danthomascyclist wrote:
    I'm expecting the Daily Mail headline:

    "Violent cyclist unleashes tirade of abuse on innocent female bystander"

    Don't forget "immigrant"! Smile

  • Driver who killed cyclist had been checking WhatsApp messages leading up to collision18 hours 20 min agoSTATO wrote:Northernbike

    STATO wrote:
    Northernbike wrote:

    if you drive a car without looking where you are going then it is not 'unfortunate luck' when you hit something or someone but an entirely foreseeable consequence of your inattention

    So we agree driving around without paying attention has a foreseeable potential consequence.

    But what im saying is the action by the driver is the same regardless of the ACTUAL consequence. Sadly the hitting or not hitting someone when you are not paying attention is down to luck.

    Balls to that. 'When you are not paying attention' When exactly are you allowed to not pay attention while driving?
    'Oh, lucky I didn't hit that cyclist, considering I was texting'
    Like others have said, it's a conscious choice to pick up and use your phone while driving, being remorseful about getting caught or reaping the consequences for an accident shouldn't factor into the equation.
    FFS

  • Dramatic video reveals full extent of Tour de France stage 3 crash18 hours 22 min agoQuote:Hang on; you're so

    Quote:
    Hang on; you're so desperate to have yet another helmet debate that you're annoyed enough to insult people because you don't like the stuff you've imagined they'll say?

    There's a helmet debate?
    Must've missed that one. Worried

  • Dramatic video reveals full extent of Tour de France stage 3 crash18 hours 25 min agoMercuryOne wrote:Hang on?

    MercuryOne wrote:
    Hang on? Where's the numpties with "There's no need for helmets at all." quoting their extensive scientific reports that turn out to be from a lab at the University of Wishful Thinking.

    Hang on; you're so desperate to have yet another helmet debate that you're annoyed enough to insult people because you don't like the stuff you've imagined they'll say?

    If mental gymnastics was in the Olympics, you'd be in the medals for sure...

  • Driver who killed cyclist had been checking WhatsApp messages leading up to collision18 hours 27 min agooldstrath wrote:So the job of

    oldstrath wrote:
    So the job of a solicitor is to make it easier for a killer to get back on the road sooner? Shit, they make bankers look ethical.

    The job of the solicitor is to defend his client. It doesn't matter how reprehensible his actions. Everyone is entitled to a defence and - in case it isn't obvious - we only know who is guilty after the trial is finished, so for the solicitor to do anything but his utmost for his client would be to presuppose the guilt or innocence of the client which would rather knock justice into a cocked hat.

  • Cobbles18 hours 31 min agoCancellara broke his back in

    Cancellara broke his back in 2 places, and still finished the stage????

    Madness!!!

  • Cobbles18 hours 32 min agotriccky100

    triccky100 wrote:
    chrisdstripes wrote:
    Definitely one to watch on Eurosport as opposed to ITV - Liggett and Sherwen won't have a frickin' clue what's going on.

    We only have Liggett and Sherwen for the TDF here in Australia, its torture.....


    Try this!

    http://www.cyclinghub.tv/livestream

  • Sticky-out bits on saddles in the pro-peloton18 hours 34 min agoOn the climb up the Mur de

    On the climb up the Mur de Huy yesterday they had readouts on the TV for the real time speeds that some of the riders were doing. I guess that must be from this.

  • Driver who killed cyclist had been checking WhatsApp messages leading up to collision18 hours 35 min agobendertherobot

    bendertherobot wrote:
    RedfishUK wrote:

    His barrister, John Dye, said he was genuinely remorseful

    be interesting to know when the "remorse" started, was it immediately after the accident or when his Solicitor advised him the evidence against him was such that the best course of action was to plead guilty to the lowest possible charge in an attempt to lessen the sentence.

    A solicitor would be negligent not to advise a client of a) the fact that he is likely to be convicted and that b) an early guilty plea will attract a discount.


    So the job of a solicitor is to make it easier for a killer to get back on the road sooner? Shit, they make bankers look ethical.

  • Driver who killed cyclist had been checking WhatsApp messages leading up to collision18 hours 38 min agoSTATO wrote:Northernbike

    STATO wrote:
    Northernbike wrote:

    if you drive a car without looking where you are going then it is not 'unfortunate luck' when you hit something or someone but an entirely foreseeable consequence of your inattention

    So we agree driving around without paying attention has a foreseeable potential consequence.

    But what im saying is the action by the driver is the same regardless of the ACTUAL consequence. Sadly the hitting or not hitting someone when you are not paying attention is down to luck.

    The consequence of hitting someone is clearly terrible but, but £60 fine and not banned vs years in prison? why should there be a difference when its the same action, lack of attention / care. For clarity, im not saying the worst outcome should be reduced!

    Quote:
    I fail to see why the rest of us should have to share the road, whether we are in a cars, on our bikes or walking, with convicted killers

    Isnt every person you see on the road holding a phone as bad as the person who has already hit someone? If they have not seen you, but you avoid being hit by your action, you have not only saved yourself you have protected them from a year in jail.

    Yes, of course they are. Which is why the only real solution is to install a phone blocker in every car, and make tampering with it punishable by loss of car, phone, driving privilege and liberty. But that doesn't mean the law should ignore those who do manage to kill.

  • Fabian Cancellara out of Tour de France after breaking vertebrae for second time this year18 hours 38 min agoDo many Cat 4 races have 198

    Do many Cat 4 races have 198 racers in and ride at that speed? Any idea of the conditions at the time, road surface, wind? No doubt people are fuming it's only natural. No need to appoint blame unless there is something very obviously wrong with someone's actions. From my sofa you could see who was first man down but I can't say I can clearly state he did anything that would require sanction.

  • Driver who killed cyclist had been checking WhatsApp messages leading up to collision18 hours 38 min agoRedfishUK wrote: His

    RedfishUK wrote:

    His barrister, John Dye, said he was genuinely remorseful

    be interesting to know when the "remorse" started, was it immediately after the accident or when his Solicitor advised him the evidence against him was such that the best course of action was to plead guilty to the lowest possible charge in an attempt to lessen the sentence.

    A solicitor would be negligent not to advise a client of a) the fact that he is likely to be convicted and that b) an early guilty plea will attract a discount.

  • Driver who killed cyclist had been checking WhatsApp messages leading up to collision18 hours 42 min agoScoob_84 wrote:If he were

    Scoob_84 wrote:
    If he were genuinely remorseful, he'd be prepared to do a full jail term

    Good point. I wonder are there any studies showing how many of these people give up driving?

  • GoPro launches Hero4 Session, its smallest ever video camera18 hours 43 min agoCygnusX1 wrote:bendertherobot

    CygnusX1 wrote:
    bendertherobot wrote:
    I quite like it. Though I will wait for the £100 equivalent entry model or the knock off version

    Its been out there for a while already - look on eBay etc for the SJCAM M10. The GoPro Session is a knock off of the knock off...

    Ah, but the M10 was a SJ4000 repackaged in response to the Polaroid Cube!

    There are some really good options below £100 for the average commuter. I'm still using a mobius on the front, but the M10 is a really good camera and you can carry spare batteries for a longer ride.