• Chris Boardman: "Helmets not even in top 10 of things that keep cycling safe"1 year 8 weeks agoseptic77 wrote:UNTIL WE HAVE

    septic77 wrote:
    UNTIL WE HAVE SEGREGATED ROADS LIKE HOLLAND (ie never!) THEN HELMETS MUST BE WORN

    I have fallen & broken 3-4 helmets in recent years, but NOT BROKEN MY SKULL YET

    Cav has fallen & broken several helmets BUT NOT BROKEN HIS SKULL YET!

    IF YOU WANT TO SMASH your skull instead of a cheap replacement plastic 'head thing' go ahead, be foolish, and don't wear one - but on the current dangerous UK roads (Cars and appaling 'third world' pot holes etc) it makes sense to wear one.....PERIOD

    Clive


    Fine, wear a helmet, no one is stopping you. But the shouting isn't useful, really.

    By the way, I've also fallen of a few times in 40 years of cycling - 0 broken skulls and 0 broken helmets. Not convinced this proves anything at all, but my anecdote is surely as good as yours.

  • Chris Boardman: "Helmets not even in top 10 of things that keep cycling safe"1 year 8 weeks agoNot wearing a helmet saved my

    Not wearing a helmet saved my life today. I wasn't wearing one, and I'm alive.

  • Chris Boardman: "Helmets not even in top 10 of things that keep cycling safe"1 year 8 weeks agoI am on the list of "helmet

    I am on the list of "helmet saved my life" people, so I agree that there should be no further discussion about helmet use. It should be the law. No debate from me on that much.

    Car insurance increases driver carelessness, but it is still the law to have it. Drunk driving isn't in the top-10 causes of car accidents, but again, it is illegal.

    And to stick with the drunk driving example as a much better example than his shooting analogy. It is easy to measure, easy to enforce, and it can be fixed relatively simply by peer pressure.

    The rest of his top-10 are all multi-million pound fixes in road or vehicle design, or practically impossible like changing driver culture.

    PS Anyone put off riding a bike by being told to wear a helmet was actively looking for an excuse not to ride.

  • Chris Boardman: "Helmets not even in top 10 of things that keep cycling safe"1 year 8 weeks agoUNTIL WE HAVE SEGREGATED

    UNTIL WE HAVE SEGREGATED ROADS LIKE HOLLAND (ie never!) THEN HELMETS MUST BE WORN

    I have fallen & broken 3-4 helmets in recent years, but NOT BROKEN MY SKULL YET

    Cav has fallen & broken several helmets BUT NOT BROKEN HIS SKULL YET!

    IF YOU WANT TO SMASH your skull instead of a cheap replacement plastic 'head thing' go ahead, be foolish, and don't wear one - but on the current dangerous UK roads (Cars and appaling 'third world' pot holes etc) it makes sense to wear one.....PERIOD

    Clive

  • Chris Boardman: "Helmets not even in top 10 of things that keep cycling safe"1 year 8 weeks agoYour use of capitals and

    Your use of capitals and american terms to signal the end of a sentence convinces me.

  • Chris Boardman: "Helmets not even in top 10 of things that keep cycling safe"1 year 8 weeks agoAs usual, Chris Boardman is

    As usual, Chris Boardman is absolutely correct in trying to get debate back to what it should be about, and correct at pointing out what a massive red herring helmets are.

    Unfortunately, as some comments above indicate, being sensible is not what helmet advocacy is about. There needs to be a more forceful reference to the evidence to show what the problems of helmet advocacy, let alone compulsion, can be. I have a stab here: http://rdrf.org.uk/2013/12/27/the-effects-of-new-zealands-cycle-helmet-l...

  • Crud Roadracer Mk2 mudguards1 year 8 weeks agoPITA to fit the first time

    PITA to fit the first time though, I quite agree. Have done 3 sets now, and have got much better at it!

  • Crud Roadracer Mk2 mudguards1 year 8 weeks agoMine have yet to break at

    Mine have yet to break at all, >1yr on, have protected the bike better than any other road bike mudguards I've seen, and the rubber bands have stayed rock solid since i fitted them. Maybe they suit some forks / stays more than others?

  • Chris Boardman: "Helmets not even in top 10 of things that keep cycling safe"1 year 8 weeks agocan we see the video of your

    can we see the video of your interview with CB?

  • Chris Boardman: "Helmets not even in top 10 of things that keep cycling safe"1 year 8 weeks agoKGoslan wrote:Well...I'd have

    KGoslan wrote:
    Well...I'd have died 3 days before Christmas if I didn't have a helmet on...try telling me they're a bad idea.

    were you a nine-year-old girl cycling to school at that point? or a granny on her way to the shops?

    probably not, i'm going to take a punt and guess that you're a fairly fit adult male and you were on a road bike of some description. apologies if i've missed the mark there.

    the voices that cry, 'look at me i could have died' are predominantly from that demographic. and this really isn't about them. at all. those people will cycle anyway, and are used to taking the precautions they deem necessary. the people who are missing from bikes in the UK are kids, and grannies, and 'normal' people who'd like to cycle but can't because they feel the conditions are too dangerous, which is completely understandable. no amount of helmet complusion is going to get them cycling. It'll cut their numbers even further.

    it is, like chris says, a massive red herring. it won't make for safe cycling for normal people. because those people won't cycle if cycling is deemed sufficiently dangerous for a helmet to be mandated. isn't that obvious? it is to me.

  • Crud Roadracer Mk2 mudguards1 year 8 weeks agoTotal frustration with my Mk2

    Total frustration with my Mk2 after trashing Mk1 in an accident. I've been using both models for 3-4 years. Why they use rubber bands instead of zip ties around the frame stays I do not know. Before each ride your checking to ensure there's no guard 'chatter' then having to adjust during each ride, never lean you bike up against a wall with the guards! Constantly keep breaking sections of the rear guard and yes you can get spares but overall these are expensive. Time Mr Crud moved on using aluminium instead of plastic. Only positive spin is the front mech protection against mud and water. Current set will be binned and I'll move on to another brand before next winter. 4 out of 10 not worth £29.99. Does the Crud website still show the installation video with the installer cuts his finger trimming the guard with a hacksaw (what a joke)!

  • Mosaic RT-1 titanium road bike frame1 year 8 weeks agoDeanF316 wrote:The bike is

    DeanF316 wrote:
    The bike is featured because the importer of Mosaic are on a media blizt at present. An article about Mosaic and the craftsmanship was on Bike Radar last week, its your turn to be buttered up by the supplier this week and look out for a reveiw on Road Cycling UK next week.

    so perhaps next time a supplier asks us if we want to test a bike, we should politely decline?

    it'd get a bit quiet on here if we went about it that way. probably it suits more people that when a supplier asks us if we want to test a bike, we say yes. no?

  • Podium Cafe VDS1 year 8 weeks agoCarbon crutches and epo

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  • Project One - Unofficial Vote for registered users only1 year 8 weeks agoDarren Collard, I think his

    Darren Collard, I think his name was. The Giro-themed one, anyway.

    Slightly OT, but last time I checked Juliet was running away with it gradually, then today I check to find that suddenly a couple of previously-also-rans have got, like, 3000 votes! Can't help thinking that this makes a bit of a laughing stock of Trek and Road.cc.

  • Chris Boardman: "Helmets not even in top 10 of things that keep cycling safe"1 year 8 weeks agoKGoslan wrote:Well...I'd have

    KGoslan wrote:
    Well...I'd have died 3 days before Christmas if I didn't have a helmet on...try telling me they're a bad idea.

    Well... you don't actually know that. And he isn't trying to stop you, or anyone else, wearing a helmet. He's simply pointing out the rather obvious facts that; first, there are vastly more important safety gains to be had than can be made by compelling helmet use; and second, focusing on the danger of cycling does nothing to get people out of cars and on to bikes.

  • Chris Boardman: "Helmets not even in top 10 of things that keep cycling safe"1 year 8 weeks agoKGoslan wrote:Well...I'd have

    KGoslan wrote:
    Well...I'd have died 3 days before Christmas if I didn't have a helmet on...try telling me they're a bad idea.

    My colleague is off work long-term sick because she slipped and bumped her head at the office party. If only she'd been wearing a helmet...

    Seriously though, you and I have made the choice to wear helmets. However, I reserve the right to NOT be criminalised should I choose not to one day for whatever reason.

  • Vuelta a Andalucia1 year 8 weeks agochiv30 wrote:enrique

    chiv30 wrote:
    enrique wrote:
    Twybaydos wrote:
    ...you have 3 Sky and 3 MTN - is that allowed?

    Crap. I didn't notice, Twy. I just wanted to stack my team. Pretty good attention to detail, there Thinking I would want to leave it as it is, though Thinking I like the flexibility of doing that... and we already had a team in the last Forum Based Competition with 3 BMC riders... So, honestly, I'm ok with playing without that rule...

    I think its a fantastic rule ..... Wink

    TER's game so TER's rules methinks?

    What's the verdict Tommy(coz I've got 3 Astabananas?

  • Chris Boardman: "Helmets not even in top 10 of things that keep cycling safe"1 year 8 weeks agoKGoslan wrote:Well...I'd have

    KGoslan wrote:
    Well...I'd have died 3 days before Christmas if I didn't have a helmet on...try telling me they're a bad idea.

    The same probably goes for me last year, but that's not the debate and not what Boardman seems to be saying - like a few other people round here it seems I wear a helmet but am against making it mandatory.

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  • Chris Boardman: "Helmets not even in top 10 of things that keep cycling safe"1 year 8 weeks agoI'm glad you were wearing a

    I'm glad you were wearing a helmet and it saved you from injury. I wear a helmet and always will, and I make my kids wear them as well. If others chose not to though, that's their business as far as i am concerned.

    However, Chris doesn't say they are a bad idea, which is what you suggest. He just says that they aren't as important as more fundamental improvements to cycling infrastructure and that they have assumed an entirely disproportionate significance to the cycling safety debate.

  • Chris Boardman: "Helmets not even in top 10 of things that keep cycling safe"1 year 8 weeks agoKGoslan wrote:Well...I'd have

    KGoslan wrote:
    Well...I'd have died 3 days before Christmas if I didn't have a helmet on...try telling me they're a bad idea.

    Prove the helmet saved your life.

    you crashed, you were wearing a helmet, those are definites.

    Now did the helmet hinder, help, make a difference no one knows, it may have prevented a few scrapes but that is about all you can say.

    I crashed a few weeks back whilst wearing a helmet landed on my face, glasses cut into my cheek. S*** happens.

    If you want to prove the helmet saved your life i suggest you repeat the experiment this time without a helmet on, remember you must not adjust your riding style or speed, you must arrange for all parties to be exactly the same, same time of day, location of clouds etc.

    In science you repeat experiments before you draw a conclusion.

    * note the bit where he says countries with higher helmet wearing levels also have higher levels of head trauma. Causation or coincidence? Does making a helmet mean you are more likely to get a head injury than not wearing a helmet.....

  • Welwyn Garden City councillor slams Women’s Tour stage as “frittering away” taxpayers’ money1 year 8 weeks agoAnyone not seeing the value

    Anyone not seeing the value of women's cycling, or willing to support initiatives that encourage more women to take up the sport of cycling, is not part of the solution.

    It is sad that people are actually suggesting that 'no one' is interested in women's racing.

  • Chris Boardman: "Helmets not even in top 10 of things that keep cycling safe"1 year 8 weeks agoKGoslan wrote:Well...I'd have

    KGoslan wrote:
    Well...I'd have died 3 days before Christmas if I didn't have a helmet on...try telling me they're a bad idea.

    That is what is known within scientific circles as "anecdotal evidence" and is of very little value.

    You may as well have said, "Helmets are a good idea because a bloke down the pub said!".

  • Vuelta a Andalucia1 year 8 weeks agochiv30 wrote:livestrongnick

    chiv30 wrote:
    livestrongnick wrote:
    Having seen that Eurosport are showing this race and not Oman or Algarve

    Really? My sky planner is def showing it on Eurosport or Eurosport2 from Wednesday
    Thinking

    http://tv.eurosport.co.uk/tvschedule.shtml

    13:30 wednesday live prologue tour of andalusia.