• "It's not always the car's fault" - Laura Trott says reckless cyclists to blame if they get hurt & helmets should be compulsory1 year 12 weeks agoI dont normally add comments

    I dont normally add comments to forums but the nature of the responses to both this story, and the same sentiment expressed on the recent piece on Bradley Wiggins have really surprised me.

    I think Laura has hit the nail on the head. I have been commuting into the City of London for the past 15 years and have seen a number of incidents between cyclists and cars. In most, if not all, cases the cyclist was at fault. And yes, I have had the odd episode myself (I have the stitches to prove it) and hand on heart, I cant say the way I was riding at the time was not a contributing factor.

    I always where a helmet, but if you think by not wearing one you are 'giving it to the man' then please carry on. Presumably the same cyclists who complain about the possability of a law making helmet wearing mandatory also refuse to take part in sportives or triathlons for the same reason?

    My personal bottom line is that if you reguarly cycle into a big city then despite what some of the posters on this forum think, cycling IS a dangerous activity and you would be an idiot not to take as many precautions as possible.

    Mark

  • "It's not always the car's fault" - Laura Trott says reckless cyclists to blame if they get hurt & helmets should be compulsory1 year 12 weeks agokoko56 wrote:this villanasing

    koko56 wrote:
    this villanasing of lorries in cases where cyclists position themselves in potential blind spots is plain wrong - what seems like a subconscious red herring from the fact that cyclists should be either far in front of a lorry/large vehicle or behind it at lights - if this is not common sense then you are a far greater danger to yourself than anyone else on the road.

    what, even though that's where all the 'cycle superhighways' and lanes to ASLs are? so if i'm cycling along a cycle superhighway, and a lorry overtakes me and then turns left and crushes me and i die, that's somehow my fault? And if I'm filtering to the front of the ASL along the lane that TfL have provided for me, and the lights change, and the lorry doesn't see me and crushes me and i die, that's my fault too?

    what isn't in doubt is that a lot of the time lorry drivers *are* to blame: they get prosecuted. go and read the reports. other times it's less clear, and sometimes the cyclist is found to be at fault. but those are very much the minority. and we should be designing our city transport so that a single mistake - from a lorry driver *or* a cyclist - doesn't result in someone getting killed. what we *shouldn't* be doing is making it about Red lights and riding on the pavement, and helmets. because none of those things really matter that much.

  • "It's not always the car's fault" - Laura Trott says reckless cyclists to blame if they get hurt & helmets should be compulsory1 year 12 weeks agomrmo wrote:As for Helmets, if

    mrmo wrote:
    As for Helmets, if you are riding for sport, wear a helmet, if you are riding for transport, do you wear a helmet to drive? to walk? etc. Do you wear a helmet and install safety lines to go up and down stairs?

    Even helmets for sports cyclists is questionable as they did nothing for Wouter Weylandt.

    Cycling helmets (as their current manufactured specifications), are worse than useless. They are built to withstand certain impacts (linear, not oblique or rotational) at low speeds (<12mph) and create an illusion of safety.

  • "It's not always the car's fault" - Laura Trott says reckless cyclists to blame if they get hurt & helmets should be compulsory1 year 12 weeks ago"Massive disservice.'

    "Massive disservice.' Really?

    YES - a massive disservice. Because cycling needs to move forward in country. We need to start building infrastructure and focussing on the positives.

    Instead all Laura has done is unnecessarily dragged up the shit. Which is counter productive.

  • "It's not always the car's fault" - Laura Trott says reckless cyclists to blame if they get hurt & helmets should be compulsory1 year 12 weeks agokoko56 wrote: Getting real

    koko56 wrote:

    Getting real tired of this shit that oh HGVs are so bad and kill all the cyclists. If a cyclist is stopped on the inside of the lorry they have blame, no matter which way you look it - unless it's this view that cars and especially lorry drivers must have some 6th sense about cyclist all the time that can maneuver much quicker and are a lot smaller through traffic.

    Mary Bowers - will require round-the-clock care for the rest of her life (and will probably never regain consciousness) after being crushed by a lorry, the driver of which admitted being distracted by talking on a hands-free mobile and not checking mirrors properly. He was fined.

    Catriona Patel - killed by a lorry driver still drunk from the night before who was talking on a handheld mobile. He had been disqualified 20 times and had three convictions for drink driving and three convictions for reckless driving; seven years imprisonment, lifetime ban.

    Eilidh Cairns - killed by a lorry whose driver was never directly charged in connection with her death but whose eyesight was deemed to be below the required standard. He would go on to kill a pedestrian.

    All experienced cyclists, and that is just three cases, there are many others I could cite.

    But maybe we should lay off the drivers, eh?

  • Fluorescent footwear flies across floor at Eurobike 20131 year 12 weeks agoOk, who's trying to confuse

    Ok, who's trying to confuse me....Are their two different pinks in the Bont range? At Wits End

  • "It's not always the car's fault" - Laura Trott says reckless cyclists to blame if they get hurt & helmets should be compulsory1 year 12 weeks agoIf someone blames (or

    If someone blames (or penalises) me for another person's arguably reckless behaviour just because we share a mode of transport, that's prejudice, pure and simple.

    It's ugly and it needs to stop. Far too often cyclists are complicit in prejudice against themselves like this.

    Trott is clearly just a naive young woman who happens to be good at riding a bicycle. You can't blame her for that but she certainly shouldn't be an ambassador for anything, and she doesn't represent me any more than some kid cutting up old ladies on the pavement does.

    Having said that, yes please to the protected bike lanes.

  • Recon Jet head-up display puts bike data in your vision at Eurobike 20131 year 12 weeks agoIs it just me? This looks

    Is it just me? This looks like it totally blocks out the area of the glasses I look through to see what's behind me. I turn my head to the right, and look through the bottom portion of the lens. That's why I prefer cycling glasses with no frame at the bottom!

  • TfL animated videos highlight new Barclays Cycle Superhighway safety features1 year 12 weeks agoBus stop bypasses are well

    Bus stop bypasses are well proven, its great that these are finally being implemented!!

    But the ridiculous 2 stage right appears in the Irish road planning manual (according to TFL). Why have they taken the model from the Irish (not a cycling nation) rather than the Netherlands!?! They need ridiculing for following the wrong model! The netherlands state of the art is now the "all directions green for cyclists" phase on junctions like this. Their previous best practice is also still more effective and safe than this nonsense putting the cyclist ahead but protected and then giving them time to eithere execute the full manouvre or protecting them for the second stage.

    Its a start at least, but so much more work needs to be done. Does nobody with any common sense at TFL look at designs like this method of before they are released!?

  • TfL animated videos highlight new Barclays Cycle Superhighway safety features1 year 12 weeks agoribena wrote:They have the

    ribena wrote:
    They have the bus bypasses in Brighton already, they work really well in my experience.

    http://departmentfortransport.wordpress.com/2013/01/18/britain-can-do-it/

    That Brighton one looks like it is done right, the same way they are done in the Netherlands, showing an un-interrupted bike lane. The crossing point in the TfL one is lame, because pedestrian's arriving at the bus stop will be coming along the road and will cut across the sunken cyclist priority section, and then cyclists will supposedly give way to pedestrians at the crossing point. Just keep it simple!

  • DfT research: Reckless riding accounts for tiny percentage of cyclist casualties1 year 12 weeks agoOriginally, the headline to

    Originally, the headline to this article read: "Report into DfT casualty stats says cyclists not to blame in 93 per cent of cases."

    We've changed that, since it ignores situations where, for example, the cyclist was adjudged by police not to have looked, which would bring the percentage down.

    Headline now reads: "DfT research: Reckless riding accounts for tiny percentage of cyclist casualties"

  • "It's not always the car's fault" - Laura Trott says reckless cyclists to blame if they get hurt & helmets should be compulsory1 year 12 weeks agoOther than the comments on

    Other than the comments on helmets - which are simply just an expression of her own views and experience - what has she said that can be disagreed with?

    Some cyclists are morons and - on occasion - have no one to blame but themselves if they get hurt. Shock.

    "Massive disservice.' Really?

  • "It's not always the car's fault" - Laura Trott says reckless cyclists to blame if they get hurt & helmets should be compulsory1 year 12 weeks ago"What neither it – nor Trott

    "What neither it – nor Trott – acknowledge is that in the vast majority of cases, the cyclist has done nothing wrong."

    "Many of those deaths occur at junctions, where the cyclist – all too often, a female in her 20s or 30s – is obeying the law, stopped at a traffic light, but on the inside of a lorry that then turns left and not seen by the driver."

    Getting real tired of this shit that oh HGVs are so bad and kill all the cyclists. If a cyclist is stopped on the inside of the lorry they have blame, no matter which way you look it - unless it's this view that cars and especially lorry drivers must have some 6th sense about cyclist all the time that can maneuver much quicker and are a lot smaller through traffic.

    Helmets - sure debate all you want, but this villanasing of lorries in cases where cyclists position themselves in potential blind spots is plain wrong - what seems like a subconscious red herring from the fact that cyclists should be either far in front of a lorry/large vehicle or behind it at lights - if this is not common sense then you are a far greater danger to yourself than anyone else on the road.

    That's what BW and LT are trying to get across I feel - that it's down to being smart and a having a pre-emptive approach. If you feel a car has not seen you on a RB - slow down, if you feel the road has a dodgy junction in it and see a car waiting to pull out slow down - because even cyclists might not spot cyclists when they are driving because you look out for car most of the time. So quit with this "oh I'm on a bike so need equal rights as a car". You are just being unrealistic because you are not a car - how is that so hard to understand?

    I am not saying anything to provoke a reaction on purpose, just what is common sense that is all too overlooked.

  • "It's not always the car's fault" - Laura Trott says reckless cyclists to blame if they get hurt & helmets should be compulsory1 year 12 weeks agoOh for god's sake... Would

    Oh for god's sake...

    Would someone at British Cycling please sit down with their precious star athletes and tell them that the last thing we need is them spouting garbage like this? Yes, there are bad cyclists out there, Laura. We know that, because it's pretty much the only thing we hear about from the mainstream press and non-cyclists on the matter. You don't need to add your 2p on the subject. If you can't say something positive about real people riding bikes out in the real world, just shut up. The same goes for you too, Bradley, and Mark, and the rest of you.

  • Eurobike Diary – Day Three - You Can't Ride in Your Sleep (If You Can't Sleep)1 year 12 weeks ago"an awkward touch of bottom

    "an awkward touch of bottom from the right. I stiffen further"

    That sounds just plain wrong....... Laughing

  • "It's not always the car's fault" - Laura Trott says reckless cyclists to blame if they get hurt & helmets should be compulsory1 year 12 weeks agoThe main disservice is making

    The main disservice is making the same mistake as the media: We're 'cyclists'. No, we're people who cycle. We're mostly people who walk and drive too.

    The principle of her point is correct. There are a lot of people who thoughtlessly put themselves in danger whilst cycling. Only this morning I overheard a conversation "I've been knocked off my bike 5 times in 9 years."

    Without wishing to tempt fate I've been cycling for 40 years and commuting through Bristol rush hour for 5 and never even had a near-miss.

    Don't get me started on helmet compulsion. I wear one 99.9% of the time and clearly they're generally a good idea. There's no need to legislate though.

  • Cyclocross fans1 year 12 weeks agoHas no one commented on your

    Has no one commented on your domain name yet... no? I'll be the childish one then Laughing

  • "It's not always the car's fault" - Laura Trott says reckless cyclists to blame if they get hurt & helmets should be compulsory1 year 12 weeks agoI think what this highlights

    I think what this highlights most is that the poor behaviour of some people on bikes has a significantly negative impact on the ability to sensibly discuss cycling safety. While people continue to ride poorly, it will always be used as an argument against improving road safety through other means.

    To me that would be the major criticism of bad riding practices, rather than any dangers inherent within the practices themselves.

    What Laura says about people doing stupid things being to blame isn't actually wrong, but the inference that it represents a significant danger to cyclists is wrong.

  • Eric Pickles: Cambridge motorists (and shops) suffer due to council's focus on cycling "elite"1 year 12 weeks agoNo sympathy for Fatty Pickles

    No sympathy for Fatty Pickles but this statement is not true. I've been involved in designing traffic schemes, cycleways, bridges etc for Cambridgeshire for a decade and there has been a consistent trend of re-assigning road space to cycles and pedestrians away from cars.

    It may not be perfect and you may not like the balance the way it is now but when you consider that the whole historic core of Cambridge used to be open to car traffic and compare that to how it is now I think you'll agree things have moved on.

    And £26 to park is expensive (I know its much cheaper in the P&R sites - funny that) even if it doesn't stop people queueing for 20 minutes to get into the Grand Arcade car park.

  • Sat-nav driver who killed cyclist spared jail - the same day sentencing review announced1 year 12 weeks agoThink its time for the

    Think its time for the offence of manslaughter by careless/ reckless driving, ok you didn't mean to kill the victim but the fact is you did.
    To me its no different to a fight were the victim is assaulted and subsequently dies and the tarrif should be the same as manslaughter.
    Any thoughts out there!!

  • Eric Pickles: Cambridge motorists (and shops) suffer due to council's focus on cycling "elite"1 year 12 weeks agosidesaddle wrote:OK whiners.

    sidesaddle wrote:
    OK whiners. You have all got cars. Would you take the Cervelo to Tesco? The moral high ground here is perhaps a little crumbly?

    I live in Cambridge and do all my shopping by bike. The nearest Tesco is just across the river, over a nice new cycle bridge. I use a large courier bag, and have a flat bar singlespeed town bike. I use my car to shop at supermarkets about half a dozen times a year.

  • Recon Jet head-up display puts bike data in your vision at Eurobike 20131 year 12 weeks agoNow that all the Telegraph

    Now that all the Telegraph readers have vented, let's think this through:

    Heartrate is very useful when going quickly, or even not-that-quickly: maintaning 75-80% of Lactic Threashold can mean the difference between a hard yet enjoyable 7-8hr ride and one that ends in a quivering bonked mess on the side of the road in the middle of nowhere, having pushed 85-90% too early, too often. Not having to look down all the time would be great. And no, I don't want to set an audible alarm.

    Distance/altitude/navigation in general: anyone who frequently rides new places knows how much difference a good route and spot-on nav can make to a day out. Missing a turn-off halfway down a 1,000m descent can really ruin your vibe, if it takes you a few km to realise your error, and have to flog back up the hill. Plus just not having to stop every 5 minutes to orient a map (even a moving one).

    Photos: I like to take loads of photos. Around 200 on each day in the Alps last week, which meant a few hundred reaches into the top-tube bag for the camera, slowing each time with one hand on the brakes/bars. And there's one photo I know I'll regret not getting for the rest of my life, of my best friend taking the first left-hand hairpin off the Sustenpass, banked hard over with the Stein glacier in the background. I just was not quick enough. But if could have just shouted 'PHOTO' or pressed my temple or wiggled my nose or whatever, that would have been grand.

    Personally I can't wait to remove the need to look down / get a phone or camera out. Handsfree, zero-effort data acquisition. I can see this being a real boon. And just like satnav in a car, you don't *have* to look at it. I imagine it could even be turned off completely, and only activated on demand, or on a timed basis, or when a turn was approaching, or a parameter (HR/power/whatever) was exceeded or met.

  • Lifebeam Smart helmet incorporates heart rate monitor + video1 year 12 weeks agoRonin - be careful with what

    Ronin - be careful with what you say - the Israeli military do not use fighter jets to target Palestinian civilians. Yes - they use fighters in the conflict, and yes - Palestinian civilians have died as a result, which is undoubtedly a bad thing, as is any civilian loss of life in a conflict.

    But you need to understand that the jets are not used for the purpose of targeting and killing civilians. They are used to target and kill militants and terrorists who are attacking Israel (for whatever reason) - and often Israeli civilians.

    I know this is not the right forum for a middle eastern debate, but one needs to be clear on what they are saying. In any event, the technology that comes our of Israel, for both civilian and military purposes is exceptional given that there are so few people living there.

    As for the helmet - seems a bit of a nonsense spending all that extra money on something for which there is no real need.

  • More disc road bikes from Salsa, Wilier, AX Lightness, Haibike and others at Eurobike 20131 year 12 weeks agoMaxles really should be

    Maxles really should be standard on front and rear wheels, eliminating the current QR system, MTB's still aren't there after 20 years of disc brakes, with road bikes taking the leap to disc, they should be able to miss any evolution and go straight to the current standard.

    For the frame designs, sticking a disc mount on the rear is just ugly on a road bike, on the inside/chainstay looks neat, and if you need mudguards, it's a much more sensible place.

  • "It's not always the car's fault" - Laura Trott says reckless cyclists to blame if they get hurt & helmets should be compulsory1 year 12 weeks agoWhat a massive, massive

    What a massive, massive disservice she has just done to everyday cycling