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I know the area and I certainly would not entertain the idea of using the A50. However that is my choice. Hopefully this is just a knee-jerk reaction as it would set precedent for every A road to be banned.
K%$b head.
I don't think the pro scene really alters newcomers perspective of the sport. I know I didn't get into cycling because I thought I would turn pro, and so wasn't worried about everyone at the top being tainted by doping. I got into cycling because I loved the sport, and I wanted to meet more people with the same love for it. You don't see people not playing football, even though a large number of high-profile professional footballers have had an affair, or beat some one up do you?
I am not saying that it doesn't effect the general public's view of the sport, as people I have spoke to before have asked my opinion on the doping allegations. But for anyone seriously thinking of taking up the sport, I don't think it matters. At amateur level I can't think of a much more friendly and inviting sport.
It's an awful accident and you have to feel for the family - just to clarify though, the victim's granddaughter who was in the car was his daughter's child, not his son's.
the question isn't whether he did anything wrong or not, it's about the application of rules. As you say the rules give zero tolerance for this drug. Further rules impart strict liability to the defendant to prove their innocence. Nothing made public so far has given sufficient proof to the notion that the clenbuterol was ingested from tainted meat. Until Contador produces this evidence there are many that will doubt him as a cheat.
I won't do that, however I will doubt him as being someone who is seemingly above the rules as they have been applied to others.
He was caught with a tiny amount of clenbuterol in his system - and this drug has zero limit
The lab was able to screen with an accuracy of 40 times the legal requirement...
He must have been tested a few days before and a few days after and nothing showed up
So does anyone know what amount of clenbuterol would give you any benefit (or how much would be left behind by an illegal transfusion?)
Without knowing this it is difficult to draw any conclusion whether or not he did anything wrong
Or am I also being too liberal?
**SLAP**
I suppose they'll be a new range of SPD where S=Sabot Pedalling Dynamics.
I've a suggestion for how Contador should be treated after this whole sorry mess concludes. Our response as cycling fans and yours as publications should take a leaf out of the BBC's book. When it saw the Sex Pistols racing up the charts in the weeks coming up to thee Silver Jubilee it simply chose to ignore the band. I propose that we do the same regarding Contador. A total media blackout. No features on him, no reports on his training schedule, no photos of him and no reports of his victories. Should he win, sites like road.cc focus on who finished second and 'award' the win appropriately. Similarly, all those who finish below Contador are moved up one place. Starving Condator and Saxobank of publicity will show both the UCI and Contador what the cycling community thinks of him.
I'm sure that the political economy that cycling publications exist in dictates that it is very difficult simply to shun one rider (regardless of his doping record) so I also suggest that consumers take a similar line: don't buy anything with Contador on the cover, and withdraw subscriptions similarly if necessary. The next stage would be to announce to all of Contador's sponsors -- Sidi, Specialized et al -- that we'll not buy their equipment until they end their association with Contador.
Unfortunately, serious times deserve serious measures. Contador's case looks like being swept under the carpet, which is another colossal blow to cycling's credibility. We should not stand for it any more.
They don't think the taxpayer should pay for this poor guy's genuine mistake which nearly killed him? But you can bet they think the taxpayer has to pay for their own blunders, all the time, to the tune of serious money and not small change, as this amount is to a council. Look at the article, on this site, on Brighton and Hove paying £800,00 to install cycle lanes, then over a million to have them ripped out.
£240 is the kind of sum some functionary at the council would dream up for having a bloke go out in a van, put up a red and white safety barrier, then take it away again an hour or two later.
Unbelievable ... well not really when you are tried by your own team
How can the UCI "clean up" cycling when they leave it up to the National Authorities to sort out.
Come on UCI take some responsibility and do something!!!!!
did it say the frames are made in Italy? how British is that?
did it say the frames are made in Italy? how British is that?
'we were always against it because we felt it would not be safe and was unnecessary due to the road already being so wide.'
So why was it installed in the first place then? Surely they had some kind of reasonably objective safety assessment by some sort of safety expert? No council makes a move on anything before extensive assessments of every detail by experts, at great expense.
Surely safety would have been the primary objective of the scheme in the first place.
It's implied that it cost £800,000 to make the situation more dangerous for cyclists and generally worse for everyone, reducing traffic flow into the bargain. How could they have been quite so dim, even taking account that it's a council we're dealing with here?
And the officious language they hide behind. Topslice??? Put up a wall of officous jargon and no one might notice how dim you really are.
Excellent, there's another excuse to be trotted out in court next time a cyclist is injured/killed by a careless driver: "the cyclist was using clipless pedals therefore the driver is not at fault"
The accident has got to be pretty terrible for the family concerned though, imagine driving into your own father in full view of your daughter.
I believe it is actually illegal for a member of the public to place obstacles or signage on the carriage way to direct the flow of traffic. So only contractors or police etc. can move signage (i think, not sure on the details).
Best bet would be ring the local police station and report it, or the council (if you dont mind waiting a week for them to turn up).
Personally, I don't want special cycle lanes, etc.
What I do want, however, is some consideration from motorised vehicle drivers.
Come on Carlton - give the CEoGB folks a chance. You have said it yourself that proper segregated infrastructure can be really good. This is the whole point in campaigning for this, to avoid the excuses for cycling provision we get given in this country. There is a third way apart from integrated on one side or pathetically semi-segregated-cheap-soft measure-council excuses for cycling farcilities on the other.
You are a cyclist, I am a cyclist. We both can make our presence felt and integrate on normal roads. My young daughter is not a cyclist but I want to have no second thoughts about her jumping on her bike and going to school. The majority of the public that make short, single occupancy vehicle journeys are not cyclists either. People need to think it is easy and safe and proper infrastructure is the only way to appeal to the masses.
Build it and they will come. I see no other organisation that is really focussed on trying to achieve this other than the CEoGB and it is not a competition as they have stated that they want to work in partnership with other organisations.
Very true - but to be honest I don't think Landis cares any more how he damages the sport.
He's turned into a petulant child, lashing out in all directions and not caring about the results.
The best outcome for the sport IMHO is for the Contador case to be appealled and his penalty re-instated according to the letter of the rules - and (as unlikely as it might seem) for Armstrong to come through the current investigation totally vindicated.
Hey - I can live in hope.
So if he didn't take the clembuterol himself and did get it from the steak are the Spanish cycling authorities accusing the Spanish beef farming industry of putting illegal growth hormones in their beef? Has Albertos mate who bought the steak conveniently forgotten where he got it from?
Encouraging to hear a well-informed and un-biased opinion from the Garda
This is the (public) peer review process in action! If, as a result of Carlton's concerns, the CEoGB's manifesto is a better document, then that's great.
Which makes me think Carlton's actually in favour, and wrote his piece to knowingly invoke the Streisand Effect
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect
How many people now know about the CEoGB, that otherwise wouldn't have, because of his article?
TKO, dont be an idiot, where did he say that? refuse?
We all appreciate that segregated routes are nice when appropriate, especially if they run along the same route as a busy/dangerous road. But the point many of us are trying to make is they typically dont meet these requirements, they are typically sub-standard surfaces and not only considerably slower (if thats an issue for rider) but full of rubbish/glass/obstacles that make it easier to ride on the road.
We welcome the creation of segregated routes as they allow more people to cycle free from fear of the 'motoring menace' (can i just say i dont like that term but it seems appropriate to use in this context). However the problem with the creation of these routes is it suggests to other road users that we cyclists (all of us) should be on them.
Im sure you can appreciate that for those of us who want to make faster progress or even want to play at 'being a roadie' then when these poorly built/thought-out segregated routes are made we get a little worried we are going to recieve abuse for choosing to NOT use them.
The flip side of this is the reason many people are campaining for better provision ON THE ROAD and educating drivers to be safer around cyclists. You have to admit that if cycling on the road was safer then there would be no/less need for segregated cycle routes.
So it comes to this.
Option A. Get cyclists off the roads and provide a full network of segregated routes than meet the needs of ALL of the users.
Option B. Give up on segregated routes and make roads safer for cyclists.
and the winner... (and the one we should all be supporting as its the only on likely to actually happen!)
Option C. Provide Segregated routes where possible and of a good standard, if this is not possible (and painting a white line on a crappy footpath is not!) then support on road provisions for cyclists to make it safer (ie. signage to warn drivers, those forward access boxes etc.)
We shouldnt be campaining for 'segregated routes', we should be campaining for 'segregated routes where sensible' ie. Support individual cases not just the idea.
Maybe on this basis the Brititsh Cycling authorities should clear Tom Simpson and he should posthumously be awarded the Tour de France.
how lucky they are .... !!!!!
"We are not anticipating having to pay back the money to Cycling England as they are one of the quangos that the Government is abolishing."
Pedestrians also get a bad deal and Police do nothing to prosecute for a) the obstruction and b) the failure to comply with the law on placing of signs for road works. Handy little book describes 'Chapter 8' and this spells out what has to be done. All road works should have a sign with the ciontact details of the person responsible all works on general purpose roads should provide safe routes for all traffic. There are nowhere near enough prosecutions or warnings for failings here. Only when someone died crashing in to an unmarked pile of rubble dropped in the road did British Gas suddenly get really hot on their contractors putting up the full and correct signage.
Surely signs for motorised traffic road works should not block other traffic and should be placed on the carriageway or a place that does not obstruct other traffic. If I see something blocking the passage of traffic should I remove it?
A pedestrian barrier was knocked down by a motor vehicle a while back and for over a month it lay across almost the full width of the footway - eventually we pushed it to the edge of the footway and it stuck slightly out into the 2-lanes of the dual carriageway - it was lifted within a couple of hours - speaks volumes for the priorites in the local roads authority