• Police fine 125 Manchester cyclists in 'share the road' operation1 year 9 weeks agoColin Peyresourde

    Colin Peyresourde wrote:
    S1lver wrote:
    Giving a fine to a cyclist who has just broken the law can hardly be seen as finding a stick to beat cyclists with.

    I think part of the reason cyclists are seen in a bad light is because some cyclists are massive hypocrites. They expect car drivers to treat them as though they are higher beings and then do nothing themselves to try and offer the same respect to drivers ie running red lights!

    And before you ask I do not even own my own car. I cycle to work on one bike and ride for fitness on another.

    I'm sorry if this sounds harsh but there's more we cyclists can do to help ourselves before just blaming all drivers...

    +1 - I get fed up with stupid vigilante posts on her that deny that cyclists have a part to play in road safety, that it is always the car/HGV, and that the police need to sort out the motorists. It's that sort of attitude which causes the friction and upsets other road users (and I include cyclists in that term). Enough of this sh!t.

    I play my part in road safety already, thanks. By obeying the law when I cycle. However, I still am threatened by bad driving, and I'd like to see the authorities actually making a serious effort to do something about it.

    I am not threatened by bad cycling, for the most part, so I give that a much lower priority, sorry.

    But if the cops actually started doing something about appalling parking, speeding, entering ASLs, jumping red lights as I'm about to cross and all the other bad motorist behaviour, I'd be very happy to see them doing something about cyclists without lights or pavement racers as well.

    Though the latter are, in a way, something I can deal with myself - one day I'm going to thump one of them as they whizz ludicrously close and fast past me. The trouble is I can't, as a ped or cyclist, do much about awful driving, I need the cops to do something about that.

    RLJing by cyclists is not one single issue, incidentally, its several issues.

    Over the years I have seen precisely ONE incident of a cyclist zooming over a zebra crossing while pedestrians were crossing. That sort of thing does indeed infuriate me, its just plain morally wrong and should merit a legal intervention.

    I've also seen a couple of cases of a cyclist (right in front of me) nearly getting hit due to RLJing at a junction - in one of those the motorist involved was ALSO jumping the red, in the other the guy nearly got clobbered by a lorry that was doing nothing wrong. Those are also morally wrong things to do, though for different reasons.

    But the vast majority of cyclist RLJing I've seen has involved no real threat or nuisance to anyone and is a problem only insofar as I know it annoys watching motorists (that's why I don't do it, that and an OCD attitude about obeying all rules or none).

    There's just no comparison between that and the far more common and more dangerous rule-breaking by motorists. And I, again, just reject the idea that cyclists are some collective group that are somehow obliged to police each other.

  • Cyclehoop launch Bikeshelf indoor bicycle rack1 year 9 weeks agoQuote:For all you urbanites

    Quote:
    For all you urbanites out there with no space (just like myself), remember that the muck on your hanging bike will soon be the muck on your walls and floors. Wet bike installation in the living room anyone?

    there is a reason for using karndean/amtico in the living room you know.

  • The Licensed Taxi Drivers' Association film 53% of RLJ-ing Cyclists at 2 junctions1 year 9 weeks ago@FluffyKitten @JackNorell Nei

    @FluffyKitten
    @JackNorell

    Neither Taxi drivers nor general motorists are trying to persuade the authorities to do something radical to improve taxi driving and motoring safety at the moment. They don't have a problem.

    We have a problem and that problem is getting the authorities to take our safety more seriously. Hard to argue that case when footage indicates that 50%+ of cyclists in 1 hour at two separate sites clearly don't give a toss about either the law or indeed their own safety or the safety of pedestrians.

  • The Licensed Taxi Drivers' Association film 53% of RLJ-ing Cyclists at 2 junctions1 year 9 weeks agoColin Peyresourde wrote:I'm

    Colin Peyresourde wrote:
    I'm not sure the title makes sense. 53% of RLJ-ing cyclists filmed?!? Why didn't they film the other 47%? And what % of cyclists RLJ?

    I think I know the answer.....but how can I be sure.

    Seems like an accurate picture though.

    Sorry about the confusing title!

    I think LTDA have been fairly selective with their statistics though. If you watch the unedited footage from both junctions (available on the same link) then I reckon I saw fewer than 10% of the total cyclists who passed the junction went through on red. The vast majority were passing through on green. Trouble is LTDA, for the purpose of making their point, are clearly only counting the cyclists when the lights are on red.

    The unedited footage also shows how often the 'bike box' is occupied by a motor vehicle too which is certainly why some of the cyclists crossed the ASL to get ahead of the traffic. I've no doubt that LTDA counted them as RLJ's too even if they went no further.

  • Man fined for dangerous cycling after riding bike with child perched on shoulders1 year 9 weeks agoIs that what you meant to

    Is that what you meant to write? Confused

  • Genesis Croix de Fer 20141 year 9 weeks agoI had a 1st gen Croix with a

    I had a 1st gen Croix with a carbon fork and 105: it was brilliant but I bought one that was a little small for me. Sold it and have been craving another since.

    I had a 5600 shifter fail and replaced with 5700: no difference in shifting with the changed cable routing.

    Currently running a Kaffenback with Force: not quite as nice as the Genesis but a good winter bike that I can stick knobblies on occasionally.

    I had/have BB7s on both bikes and Sram Red on my road bike. I would say that the BB7s are better even in the dry than the rim brakes (although the Red's were great when my wheels were new I think they've tailed off a bit now). The discs just seem to bite a bit quicker: you can brake later with confidence. When wet it's obviously a bigger deal.

    However cable discs aren't fit and forget like Hydraulics (I have Hopes on my MTB) - I'm forever having to try and tune out the squeals and squeaks and deal with rubbing.

  • Police fine 125 Manchester cyclists in 'share the road' operation1 year 9 weeks agoS1lver wrote:Giving a fine to

    S1lver wrote:
    Giving a fine to a cyclist who has just broken the law can hardly be seen as finding a stick to beat cyclists with.

    I think part of the reason cyclists are seen in a bad light is because some cyclists are massive hypocrites. They expect car drivers to treat them as though they are higher beings and then do nothing themselves to try and offer the same respect to drivers ie running red lights!

    And before you ask I do not even own my own car. I cycle to work on one bike and ride for fitness on another.

    I'm sorry if this sounds harsh but there's more we cyclists can do to help ourselves before just blaming all drivers...

    +1 - I get fed up with stupid vigilante posts on her that deny that cyclists have a part to play in road safety, that it is always the car/HGV, and that the police need to sort out the motorists. It's that sort of attitude which causes the friction and upsets other road users (and I include cyclists in that term). Enough of this sh!t.

  • High vis clothing doesn't make cars pass you more safely, says new study1 year 9 weeks agoMaybe the point of this is

    Maybe the point of this is that the 1-2% of drivers who pass too close can see you fine whatever you wear, but CHOOSE to pass too close.

    How do you get these drivers to change their behaviour?

  • Just in: Orbea Orca B M101 year 9 weeks agoI can imagine the design

    I can imagine the design briefing...
    "how do we take an exciting looking bike and make it look as dull as dish water?"
    "battleship grey, works every time".
    "Sorted, creme de menthe, Tarquin?"

  • Skoda Road Bike?1 year 9 weeks agoSorry, if you gave me one I

    Sorry, if you gave me one I would give it away or sell it. I couldn't ride something with Skoda written on it. It might be snobbishness but I remember the rubbish cars they produced in the 80's. No matter how much they have improved I wouldn't have it; would you ride a Lada or Robin Reliant bike? I think not.

    Younger viewers might not be worried about cold war built quality issues.

  • Just in: Orbea Orca B M101 year 9 weeks agoAksiums on a £3000 bike?

    Aksiums on a £3000 bike? Seriously.

  • Man fined for dangerous cycling after riding bike with child perched on shoulders1 year 9 weeks agoMy Dad ramped over my mates

    My Dad ramped over my mates with me on the stunt nuts when I was a kid. It was ruddy ace.

  • The Licensed Taxi Drivers' Association film 53% of RLJ-ing Cyclists at 2 junctions1 year 9 weeks agoI'm getting fed up with this

    I'm getting fed up with this stuff. I commute everyday and ride at the weekend. Some car drivers are idiots. Some cyclists are idiots. If I read half the sh*t on here I would smash my bike and buy a tank. Cant fellow cyclists realise that we have won - we weigh less, we have better mental health, we have more money blah blah blah.

  • The Licensed Taxi Drivers' Association film 53% of RLJ-ing Cyclists at 2 junctions1 year 9 weeks agoI'm not sure the title makes

    I'm not sure the title makes sense. 53% of RLJ-ing cyclists filmed?!? Why didn't they film the other 47%? And what % of cyclists RLJ?

    I think I know the answer.....but how can I be sure.

    Seems like an accurate picture though.

  • Deleted1 year 9 weeks agoDid the Cybermen get you?

    Did the Cybermen get you?

  • Dave Rayner Fund announces supported riders for 2014 - road.cc's Liam Glen among them1 year 9 weeks agoGkam84 wrote:Yeah I

    Gkam84 wrote:
    Yeah I understand that, I was just surprised to see Barnes and Hart on the list Thinking

    You know women's "pro" salaries are pretty much bugger all?

    The Wiggle-Honda budget (for *everything* including ) this year was apparently in the £400k range.

  • Police fine 125 Manchester cyclists in 'share the road' operation1 year 9 weeks agoFluffyKittenofTindalos

    FluffyKittenofTindalos wrote:
    darenbrett wrote:
    Joeinpoole wrote:
    Number crunching;
    Number of people killed by motorists in 2012 = 1800

    Number of people killed by cyclists in 2012 = maybe 1?

    Number of motorists fined during Operation Grimaldi = 22

    Number of cyclists fined during Operation Grimaldi = 125

    number killed by cyclist 1 = maybe?? = definately, you obviously dont follow the news when a cyclist caused a bus to perform an emergency stop, seriously injuring an old age pensioner who later died, i believe the cyclist is awaiting trial!!

    Not really sure what point you are making. Nobody follows the news of every last criminal case - do you know the details of every one of the 1800? The fact that you know the specifics of this one cycle case rather says something, no?

    quite simple if you dont actually know the statistics, dont post!!

  • Police fine 125 Manchester cyclists in 'share the road' operation1 year 9 weeks agoFluffyKittenofTindalos

    FluffyKittenofTindalos wrote:
    darenbrett wrote:
    Joeinpoole wrote:
    Number crunching;

    Number of people killed by motorists in 2012 = 1800

    Number of people killed by cyclists in 2012 = maybe 1?

    Number of motorists fined during Operation Grimaldi = 22

    Number of cyclists fined during Operation Grimaldi = 125

    number killed by cyclist 1 = maybe?? = definately, you obviously dont follow the news when a cyclist caused a bus to perform an emergency stop, seriously injuring an old age pensioner who later died, i believe the cyclist is awaiting trial!!

    Not really sure what point you are making. Nobody follows the news of every last criminal case - do you know the details of every one of the 1800? The fact that you know the specifics of this one cycle case rather says something, no?


    quite simple if you dont actually know the statistics, dont post!!

  • Man fined for dangerous cycling after riding bike with child perched on shoulders1 year 9 weeks agoThis site is becoming the

    This site is becoming the mumsnet of cycling where a bunch of (apparently) exemplary and faultless bike riders gather together like a gaggle of stay at home middle class women and collectively tut tut whatever might be today's example of the moral decline of the nation. This guy was giving his kid a lift on a pushbike for crissakes, not putting hard drugs on her fish fingers or sending her up chimnies. Chill out people.

  • Lumicycle Elite 26 LED 3Si1 year 9 weeks agoI've been toying between this

    I've been toying between this and the Apex - also 3 emitters but wider beam and more power. The Lumen/Watt is a lot healthier. The Apex on Mid setting matches this on High but will last longer! Do I need the extra power and will the wide beam cause problems to other road users?

  • Dave Rayner Fund announces supported riders for 2014 - road.cc's Liam Glen among them1 year 9 weeks agoYeah I understand that, I was

    Yeah I understand that, I was just surprised to see Barnes and Hart on the list Thinking

  • Man fined for dangerous cycling after riding bike with child perched on shoulders1 year 9 weeks agoGuyz2010 wrote:Just deserves,

    Guyz2010 wrote:
    Just deserves, however motorists seem to get away with just as dangerous occurrences pretty much all the time, high street racing with a car full of mates.

    How in gods name can you even put any mention as to motorists and their behaviour?
    If they race with multiple occupants they don't stack themselves onto one seat do they?
    For once can we comment on what has to be a complete and utter f@&£tard for his abject stupidity and not feel the need to include a mention of motorists?

  • Police fine 125 Manchester cyclists in 'share the road' operation1 year 9 weeks agoBeginning to think that there

    Beginning to think that there is an undercurrent here from on high that is basically saying we can't be seen to be persecuting motorists!
    If they only fined 25 motorists, then either the Police weren't trying hard enough or Manchester has some of the most law abiding motorists in the Country.
    There is never going to be safe roads for all to use, with the current lets bash cyclists mentality.
    I am all for cyclist being penalised, lets get them off the pavements and on the roads, then the blind people setting policy will have to take notice when more cyclists are using the PUBLIC roads.

  • Man fined for dangerous cycling after riding bike with child perched on shoulders1 year 9 weeks agoTony Farrelly wrote:stumps

    Tony Farrelly wrote:
    stumps wrote:
    A buffoon of the highest order, no-one should stick up for this bloke...

    I'll stick up for him a bit.

    I used to take one of my daughters to school on my MTB her sitting on my knee me holding her with one hand, couple of miles mostly down hill but with a bit of up. Did it most days for getting on for three years until she got too heavy with no bother at all.

    Must have made giving hand signals to other road users a bit of a challenge?

    Quote:
    Certainly wasn't the only one. I wouldn't have put her on my shoulders though. And it is true as was said at the top that in other countries where bikes are transport people carry kids on bikes in all sorts of way with no apparent mishaps or high viz involved.

    Mmm. The childhood mortality rate in many of those countries also tends to be a lot higher than we poor unfortunate Brits burdened with our appalling risk averse, health and safety culture.

    Wait a minute, that can't be right ....... Thinking

  • Dave Rayner Fund announces supported riders for 2014 - road.cc's Liam Glen among them1 year 9 weeks agoExcept for perhaps Bissell,

    Except for perhaps Bissell, most of these lower tier continental teams are run on really small budgets and so the pay to riders is small. They get bikes, team clothing, help towards rent (sometimes lodging in properties owned by the team or keen supporters of the team), travel expenses to races, and a bit of money to live on (if the team is big enough). Help from additional sources like the Dave Raynor fund can make the early years whilst they're trying to work their way up the ladder to the big leagues more bearable.

    Read some of the books by the older pros like Millar, Kelly, Yates, Elliot, Roll, Kimmage and you'll get a better idea of hard it is for rider starting out on the continent before they get to the big time - if they get to the big time.