• Emma Way found guilty on 2 of 3 counts in #bloodycyclists case1 year 9 weeks agoJimbonic wrote:colinth

    Jimbonic wrote:
    colinth wrote:
    Proving the careless driving was probably the hardest bit, her word against the cyclists I suppose. I'm actually suprised and delighted that it got this far, I expected the usual can't be bothered approach from the CPS.

    She hit a cyclist. How is that not driving without due care and attention? She didn't give enough room. It's not someone's word against the other's. In fact, she even said "I hit a cyclist today"!!!!

    I agree, though, that it is pleasantly surprising to see it get taken this far. Even if the conviction is disproportionately low.

    Because I'm sure her defence was "he was on the wrong side of the road". "no I wasn't you were", "I wasn't you were" etc

  • Emma Way found guilty on 2 of 3 counts in #bloodycyclists case1 year 9 weeks agoI will agree that no one sets

    I will agree that no one sets out to kill but on the roads I regularly see HGV's driven far too fast/no margin of error in London. Back in the highway code the guidance tells drivers to adjust to conditions/surroundings and anticipate. It doesn't happen enough.

    Emma Way knocked off a cyclist overtaking and the only way this resulted was by not giving enough space (another recurring theme here) as dictated by the highway code. I therefore can't see how it is not careless driving. Perhaps there was a plea bargain but no penalty = no deterrence= no change in driver behaviour. and so the cycle continues. The law remains an ass.

  • 3T Integra Team stem1 year 9 weeks agoWaste of money,159 quid for

    Waste of money,159 quid for abit of fucking metal?
    dont think so
    Laughing Wave

  • Aldi Performance Cycle clothing sale this Thursday1 year 9 weeks ago29 quid for bib tights? for

    29 quid for bib tights? for piss sake,15 id have bought the bastards,whos got this sort of cash to squander in fucking Aldi?

    I thought these buggers catered for the peasants,charging 30 quid for fucking tights? theyre taking the piss same as those twats with the 115 pound back fucking light only to be thrown over the bonnet of some c*nt on a mobile

    Angry

  • Best Cycling Film or Documentary1 year 9 weeks agoI liked the Tom Simpson

    I liked the Tom Simpson Documentary which was shown on bbc4 quite a few times, a couple of years ago. It was called 'Death On The Mountain'

    Not currently available on bbc iplayer Sad

    Cycling films must be hot right now though 'cause Shane Meadows of This is England fame is currently working on a Bio Pic of the late great Tom Simpson, which could be ace

    And a cycling documentary that I am definitely looking forward to also is a new project about David Millar due out in 2015, having seen some of the other work these guys have done I know this is gonna be well worth a watch.

    Details here:
    http://www.davidmillarfilm.com/

  • London police stopping cyclists without helmets in "advice & education" exercise1 year 9 weeks agoThis blog is well worth a

    This blog is well worth a read:
    http://primlystable.blogspot.co.uk/2013/11/dead-cyclists-missing-helmets...

    (not my blog by the way, I saw it linked to on Twitter).

  • Bath hit and run victim named as 19-year-old Jake Gilmore1 year 9 weeks agohttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-25001221

  • Emma Way found guilty on 2 of 3 counts in #bloodycyclists case1 year 9 weeks agoarfa wrote:And we wonder why

    arfa wrote:
    And we wonder why HGV'S have been on a bit of a kill fest in the last couple of weeks.

    That's a bit steep don't you think!? They couldn't prove bad driving in the case which is why they haven't removed her license. You can't punish her arbitrarily. Lord knows why they did it to Gkam though.

  • Emma Way found guilty on 2 of 3 counts in #bloodycyclists case1 year 9 weeks agoColin Peyresourde

    Colin Peyresourde wrote:
    Jimbonic wrote:
    colinth wrote:
    Proving the careless driving was probably the hardest bit, her word against the cyclists I suppose. I'm actually suprised and delighted that it got this far, I expected the usual can't be bothered approach from the CPS.

    She hit a cyclist. How is that not driving without due care and attention? She didn't give enough room. It's not someone's word against the other's. In fact, she even said "I hit a cyclist today"!!!!

    I agree, though, that it is pleasantly surprising to see it get taken this far. Even if the conviction is disproportionately low.

    Colinth is right. Proving the careless driving is not easy. Her word against his. He has nothing to indicate how fast she was going, and had not made an effort to report the incident himself from what I remember. It was also not a head-on collision which suggests that she at least left some room for someone to move passed her (even if it was an inch). I'm not saying she wasn't careless or anything else - but that proving it is not possible. Who is to say he was not cycling without due care and attention down a hill? I'm sure that is the defence.

    Ultimately, she has seen British justice and will likely have learned something from all of this.

    Gkam - sorry to hear of your incident. That seems a little unfair.

    Unless he was riding on the right hand carriage way, I don't see your point. The cyclist is entitled to use the road. What does her speed have to do with it? She passed unsafely, if she hit the cyclist. The Highway Code quite clearly states that you have to give at least the same room as you would a motor vehicle when passing a cyclist. Of course, we rarely see that. Your example of "an inch" is closer! I would hardly say that is safe or driving with due care.

    What does his not reporting it have to do with it? I'm sure there many people on this very forum (even the most militant) who have been the victim of some sort of accident (or worse) and haven't reported it. It doesn't make the driving any safer. It doesn't absolve her of her duty to report the accident, or absolve her of driving without due care and attention.

  • Emma Way found guilty on 2 of 3 counts in #bloodycyclists case1 year 9 weeks agoThe dumb bitch will probably

    The dumb bitch will probably be given a guest spot on that heinous flat slob demon Nick Ferrari show on Lbc(Lickspittle bent c*nts) between Latin spewing effluent blob Bozo the mayor and Tory arse bandit traitor clegg
    The moral of these fucking slap on the wrists is that motorists are given carte blanche to kill us with impunity,intentional or not,end of story
    Applause

  • Emma Way found guilty on 2 of 3 counts in #bloodycyclists case1 year 9 weeks agoalronald wrote:dp24

    alronald wrote:
    dp24 wrote:
    arfa wrote:
    So what does constitute careless driving ?

    "A person is to be regarded as driving without due care and attention if (and only if) the way he drives falls below what would be expected of a competent and careful driver."

    More proof if any was needed that knocking cyclists off their bikes is seen as acceptable behavior by the courts

    Not at all. Just that proving that she was any more careless than him is not easy. It is more a point of proof and law, rather than it being acceptable 'to knock cyclists off their bikes'.

    People seem to think that it 'us versus them'. But really it is the burden of proof which is the thing which makes most traffic incidences hard to prove fault on.

    Once you remove the two main protagonists evidence (that will be a matter of 'he said, she said') you need reliable witnesses who can provide impartial evidence. In this case only the cyclist's friend was privvy to it, and his friend may never have seen the point of impact. The fact that they tried to prosecute means that they took the collision seriously, they just couldn't prove it to a sufficient level required (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_burden_of_proof#Beyond_reasonable_doubt).

  • Emma Way found guilty on 2 of 3 counts in #bloodycyclists case1 year 9 weeks agoAt least without work and 7

    At least without work and 7 points I'd doubt she'll be able to afford her next insurance renewal.

    To be honest I never knew that failing to stop was taken so serious. Some arse ran into me and failed to stop. The police are taking action so I'm hopeful he'll be buggered.

  • Emma Way found guilty on 2 of 3 counts in #bloodycyclists case1 year 9 weeks agoQuite a lot of wide of the

    Quite a lot of wide of the mark statements here. Failing to stop and/or report ARE the worst of the charges. The careless is a side show and was always going to be the difficult one to prove.

    She's been convicted of the ones which she herself brought down. There's the karma here.

  • Emma Way found guilty on 2 of 3 counts in #bloodycyclists case1 year 9 weeks agoColin, I note she had

    Colin, I note she had suffered away from the judicial process but a key element of an effective criminal legal system is deterrence and there is absolutely nothing in her sentence to deter bad driving. And we wonder why HGV'S have been on a bit of a kill fest in the last couple of weeks.

  • Sustrans to transform 300 miles of walking and cycling routes into nature havens1 year 9 weeks agoGrahamSt wrote:woollee23

    GrahamSt wrote:
    woollee23 wrote:
    When there's taxpayers money going into an organisation who have a statutory responsibility for the environment, no, not really.

    That's not an argument against Sustrans,. That's an argument against ALL charities. Plain Face

    Yeah, but by your argument Sustrans could play a role in overseeing road, rail and buses because they happen to have the word 'Transport' in their name too. Sustrans faces something of a dilemma as being seen as all things to all people as far as 'sustainability' is concerned (especially policy makers at local and national level). For a charity that set out as a civil engineering project it's brief has been massively extended already to include public health, participation in 'active travel' by everyone from school children to commuters, and now this.

    Sustrans does not have a 'bottomless pit' of resources to run this stuff, yet the more they pick up the greater the expectation among the public sector that they will - especially in this time of austerity. This runs a significant risk of existing projects being adversely affected in their delivery.

    So... where would YOU draw the line?

  • Blink/Steady £115 rear light now available in the UK1 year 9 weeks agoI've just been chatting to

    I've just been chatting to the company, and they tell me the light won't switch off at traffic lights, they say there's enough small movement to keep the light activated. It's only when the bike has been completely stationary will it then turn off.

    We'll hopefully be getting on it to test so we can find out for ourselves, rather than making wild predictions on its performance

    On the issue of the price, it may be expensive, but the Hope District we reviewed easily trumps it by a long way http://road.cc/content/review/30623-hope-vision-district-3-rear-light

  • London police stopping cyclists without helmets in "advice & education" exercise1 year 9 weeks agoBikeBud wrote: Some attention

    BikeBud wrote:

    Some attention is finally being paid to cyclist safety - it is on the agenda and resource has been diverted to considering the safety of cyclists. Let's make sure it stays on the agenda and help to guide the thinking on safety to get the right resources & actions put in place. We won't gain credibility by shouting and swearing.

    Well, shouting and swearing where the police are involved will get you arrested, so I agree its not the best way to respond to this!

    But its not about 'paying attention to cyclist safety', because the helmet issue is not what causes road-related deaths. This is about making a show of doing something, but making sure it looks"even handed" so as not to antagonise motorists. It looks like a case of just joining in the victim blaming and looking as if they are doing something.

  • Emma Way found guilty on 2 of 3 counts in #bloodycyclists case1 year 9 weeks agoJimbonic wrote:colinth

    Jimbonic wrote:
    colinth wrote:
    Proving the careless driving was probably the hardest bit, her word against the cyclists I suppose. I'm actually suprised and delighted that it got this far, I expected the usual can't be bothered approach from the CPS.

    She hit a cyclist. How is that not driving without due care and attention? She didn't give enough room. It's not someone's word against the other's. In fact, she even said "I hit a cyclist today"!!!!

    I agree, though, that it is pleasantly surprising to see it get taken this far. Even if the conviction is disproportionately low.

    Colinth is right. Proving the careless driving is not easy. Her word against his. He has nothing to indicate how fast she was going, and had not made an effort to report the incident himself from what I remember. It was also not a head-on collision which suggests that she at least left some room for someone to move passed her (even if it was an inch). I'm not saying she wasn't careless or anything else - but that proving it is not possible. Who is to say he was not cycling without due care and attention down a hill? I'm sure that is the defence.

    Ultimately, she has seen British justice and will likely have learned something from all of this.

    Gkam - sorry to hear of your incident. That seems a little unfair.

  • Sustrans calls for action after 11 cyclist deaths in UK this month1 year 9 weeks agomrmo wrote:Quote:Creation and

    mrmo wrote:
    Quote:
    Creation and use of ‘quietways’- low traffic side streets as designated main cycle routes, as opposed to use of busy main roads

    This is the point i have real issue with. It sounds lovely, BUT.

    side streets where kids are playing, drivers are failing to de-ice windscreens, where there are most junctions, etc.

    And all to often ridiculusly circuitous routing.

    If i ride a bike i will take the most direct sensible route. if the choice is 9miles main road, or 10miles on sideroads i will consider the side roads, but if the alternative is 15-16miles then i am going to think WTF. If the main road route is 30mins and the side roads are 40mins what is 10mins, but if it is 60mins then again WTF!

    There has to be a balance, but bikes are traffic and have every right to use the roads, if an alternative is going to exist then it has to be realistic, it has to be clean, gritted when appropriate, well lit if urban, and to have a reasonable surface without too many potholes! there has to be a minimum of car/bike junction type interactions.

    You raise a very good point. The de facto performance of a "quiet route" should, imho, always be measured in terms of the actual time it takes an average cyclist to get from A to B. Poor surfaces, hills, sharp bends, narrow or shared paths, the number of points where a cyclist is required to give way, and indeed the number of other cyclists on that route, can all be factors that can be argued about, but it is very easy to time a cyclist travelling from A to B. In fact, we're quite good at doing that, here in the UK.

    So I propose that we should all be open minded about any initiatives but, rather than quibbling about all manner of issues, we should be focussed on just one thing - time.

    It's a simple concept that everyone would understand, and we could more easily compare a projected time with the actual time, once the route was opened, as a direct performance indicator of the organisation concerned.

  • London police stopping cyclists without helmets in "advice & education" exercise1 year 9 weeks agoThe UK has higher helmet use

    The UK has higher helmet use than the Netherlands yet has three times the casualty rate.

    Australia has compulsory helmets and almost nobody cycles in that country, so whether or not the law has reduced cycling still further (people seem to keep arguing about this), there is no way you can cite that country as a model to follow. Its transport culture is disastrous.

    They suffer the much more significant health problems caused by car-centricity (Australians are the fattest people in the developed world after the US, apparently, even worse than us, something which surprises me).

    What keeps getting ignored in all this is that the major health risks are all associated with car use. The health damage caused by car use (via accidents, physical inactivity, _and_ pollution, both local and global) dwarfs any tiny difference in health outcomes that come from cyclists wearing or not wearing helmets.

    Why are the police not stopping drivers and asking them if their journey is really necessary and do they really need to do it in a car? That would be the equivalent of challenging non-hemleted cyclists.

    I don't see why people are unable to see how silly it is to keep banging on about helmets for cyclists while ignoring the much more urgent problem of stopping people from driving so much. A culture of driving is a health emergency, a culture of cycling-without-helmets is not.

  • Emma Way found guilty on 2 of 3 counts in #bloodycyclists case1 year 9 weeks agoallez neg wrote:On the plus

    allez neg wrote:
    On the plus side, 7 points and 21 years old will mean that insurance will cost her a fuckload of money, but I agree that a ban would have been appropriate.

    My licence got a 40 day holiday for a single occurrence of speeding. I neither hurt nor inconvenienced anyone.

    Private prosecution for physical and psychological injury in the offing? The CTC or some other cycling body could fund it.

    Don't forget, she lost her job too, a conviction in court also, not something that she will easily move on from. I know they don't always say, but I'm sure that the judge included this when considering her punishment.

  • Emma Way found guilty on 2 of 3 counts in #bloodycyclists case1 year 9 weeks agocolinth wrote:Proving the

    colinth wrote:
    Proving the careless driving was probably the hardest bit, her word against the cyclists I suppose. I'm actually suprised and delighted that it got this far, I expected the usual can't be bothered approach from the CPS.

    She hit a cyclist. How is that not driving without due care and attention? She didn't give enough room. It's not someone's word against the other's. In fact, she even said "I hit a cyclist today"!!!!

    I agree, though, that it is pleasantly surprising to see it get taken this far. Even if the conviction is disproportionately low.

  • Blink/Steady £115 rear light now available in the UK1 year 9 weeks agoOr you could get 115 £1

    Or you could get 115 £1 lights! Which would probably be a bit brighter, in total. Even if fitting them on the bike might present a challenge.

  • Emma Way found guilty on 2 of 3 counts in #bloodycyclists case1 year 9 weeks agomikem22 wrote:We could always

    mikem22 wrote:
    We could always bombard ITV..

    http://www.itv.com/contactus/get-in-touch/

    I fear that will only encourage them

  • Emma Way found guilty on 2 of 3 counts in #bloodycyclists case1 year 9 weeks agoThe only positive I am taking

    The only positive I am taking from this is that she was found guilty on 2 of the 3 counts. OK, not the main one of importance, but its better than the normal outcomes reported here when the lesser charge is brought then people are found not guilty. Small steps i guess...