• Buy a fake, risk death, support slavery – says bike industry1 year 5 weeks agoTrekBikesUK wrote:That would

    TrekBikesUK wrote:
    That would make sense if we continued to sponsor Lance after the Reasoned Decision. We didn't.

    Since when is an equipment sponsor directly responsible for the choices that a sponsored athlete makes off the field?

    To be honest I wouldn't be too keen, as Trek, to wave this particular flag. The way Trek got involved in Lance's attack on LeMond to take some measure of revenge for his (totally accurate) finger pointing is one of the deeply depressing parts of the whole debacle. Along with Oakley staff lying under oath, it shows the depths which a brand will go to in order to support their cash cow.

    For what it's worth I don't think drug dealing and sponsoring Lance are the same thing (it's a mental comparison).

  • Peter Sagan off to Tinkoff-Saxo - and taking Cannondale with him?1 year 5 weeks agoNever mind the good publicity

    Never mind the good publicity he'd bring to the sport ey?

  • Tirreno-Adriatico1 year 5 weeks agoTwybaydos wrote:... Orica...

    Twybaydos wrote:
    ... Orica... didn't bother to pack a sprinter...

    They brought Impey! Smile

  • Tirreno-Adriatico1 year 5 weeks agoI can't find Sam Bennett in

    I can't find Sam Bennett in the game.

  • Thoughts on a pedal Kickstarter1 year 5 weeks agoooh, turns out a guy I know

    ooh, turns out a guy I know is the next-door neighbour of the chap who has invented/made the infinity pedals

    so, you know, buy some an all that!

  • Hypocrasy of NIMBYs1 year 5 weeks agoHis pub is on the A29 (on

    His pub is on the A29 (on G25/45 for testers). Could they have possibly closed that? I don't see how. I never go past anyway (aside from when on G45) because Weare Street is so much nicer.

    If you're compiling a list, Mitchells of Horley seem to think that it's OK for their drivers to spit on cyclists.

  • Buy a fake, risk death, support slavery – says bike industry1 year 5 weeks agoah, I misread the title. I

    ah, I misread the title. I thought he was asking us to buy a fake bike and support slavery. got it. my bad.

  • Just in: Kinesis Tripster ATR1 year 5 weeks agoPretty sure the 1620g is for

    Pretty sure the 1620g is for the frame only, especially on a 60cm.

  • Caravan firm sacks driver who was filmed overtaking cyclist with inches to spare (+ video)1 year 5 weeks agoMy respect to the company

    My respect to the company involved for this edifying response.
    "It's not making mistakes that organisations should be judged upon, but how they deal with them".

    Now if whoever employs this grotesque excuse for a human-being (http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest-news/angry-driver-abuses-cycl...) could just see their way to ending his employment, then the world may just feel a smidgen more just, for a change.

  • Buy a fake, risk death, support slavery – says bike industry1 year 5 weeks agoLinusLarrabee wrote: But as

    LinusLarrabee wrote:
    But as it states in the first paragraph of this article that someone who buys a bike from Alibaba could be supporting drug trafficking. And my question is how is that different from buying a legitimate brand that sponsors someone who is or was involved in drug trafficking? In my mind, and you may disagree, there doesn't seem to be much difference there.

    That's like saying if you buy a John Terry jersey, you are saying adultery is ok, and that Adidas made that adultery possible. Or if you buy a Kobe Bryant jersey, that you support rape, and Nike and the Lakers made that possible.

    The difference is the source. If a bike manufacture was also manufacturing drugs, then your argument would possibly stand. In this case, you are saying that the purchase of a product somehow condones the actions of a person who just happens to be sponsored by that brand. That would make sense if we continued to sponsor Lance after the Reasoned Decision. We didn't.

    Since when is an equipment sponsor directly responsible for the choices that a sponsored athlete makes off the field?

  • Buy a fake, risk death, support slavery – says bike industry1 year 5 weeks agoAll the comments posted lead

    All the comments posted lead to the same conclusion: the marketplace works pretty well, everyone seems to be able to purchase a product that fits his/her needs/lust at his/her price point. In fact, the choice available in bikes, components and clothing is bewildering and so are the materials used. I personally ride a titanium bike: make bikes, not bombs!
    Counterfeit destroys the marketplace: gone is the choice, gone is the development, GONE IS THE SAFETY, GONE IS THE VALUE FOR MONEY.
    Counterfeit is a lose lose situation: consumers lose out, counterfeiters lose out (there is always a cheaper one).
    The marketplace ensures continuing development, 99% to the advantage of the consumer. I still ride my 1980's steel Giant bike, completely original, a magnificently comfortable ride, but I cannot get it up the mountains...
    The marketplace funds athletes and the grand spectacle of sports inspires millions of people (I keep my distance because of the secret race).
    The marketplace is flexible, adaptable, responds to changing perceptions, corrects excesses over time.
    And above all the marketplace, through amazingly complex mechanisms, improves products by making them lighter, stronger and cheaper, in one word: safer.
    The marketplace, complete with its forest of regulations and legal protection of brands and but also brand liabilities, is the place I want to be.
    Counterfeit has no place in it, because counterfeit destroys it from within.

  • Caravan firm sacks driver who was filmed overtaking cyclist with inches to spare (+ video)1 year 5 weeks agoTen seconds of road rage cost

    Ten seconds of road rage cost the sucker his job. Fair play to the company for supporting this. May a lesson be learnt...

    Think I might have taken the cycle path however sissy it may have been just for my own safety...just my opinion.

  • Buy a fake, risk death, support slavery – says bike industry1 year 5 weeks agoDave Atkinson wrote: all

    Dave Atkinson wrote:

    all you're really saying is, "I don't agree with the pace of change", and the logical extension of that argument is the same as it was before.

    That's not what I'm saying at all.

    To be clear, it's not the pace of change that's the problem here, it's the haste in which support for existing componentry is withdrawn.

    Industries that withdraw support for products that would otherwise be expected to last a long time, especially in an era where consumers are not just increasingly adept at circumventing traditional supply chains, but are also concerned about the environmental and ethical issues connected with unnecessary material consumption, are unlikely to win much sympathy over the longer term.

    PS - Trek Lady seems to have had to fight her corner on this thread so, to cheer her up, I'll just say that my American made Trek frame is still going strong, and the DuPont paint still hasn't got a mark on it. Amazing quality!

  • Tirreno-Adriatico1 year 5 weeks agoNot sure you can write off

    Not sure you can write off Movistar either in the TT. Just to add pain and confusion to the choices!

  • Buy a fake, risk death, support slavery – says bike industry1 year 5 weeks agoFlying Scot wrote:Like the a

    Flying Scot wrote:
    Like the a Trek man says...

    Or Trek woman. Wink

  • Buy a fake, risk death, support slavery – says bike industry1 year 5 weeks agoTrekBikesUK wrote:Flying Scot

    TrekBikesUK wrote:
    Flying Scot wrote:
    Like the a Trek man says...

    Or Trek woman. Wink

    trek person then! Cool

  • Video: Caravan firm "horrified" after cyclist suffers shocking near-miss1 year 5 weeks agoŷnorthstar wrote:oldstrath

    At Wits End ŷ

    northstar wrote:
    oldstrath wrote:
    So you'd like thanks to the company because they employed one (at least) aggressive would be killer, and then sacked him because he got caught? Thanks would be more appropriate if they did something about stopping this in advance.

    Still no proof the driver has been sacked...

    I doubt you will get any either, I'm fairly sure that saying too much would result in a tribunal for prejudicing the numpties chances of future employment. Law in this regard is heavily weighted to the employee.

    Alternative would be for them to suspend him on full pay pending an investigation or prosecution,which costs them time, money, they can't employ a replacement and its crap PR.

    I'm fairly confident he will have been dismissed,
    PR suicide otherwise, and they are within the law to do so, what they can't do legally is publicly name and shame the guy.

  • Caravan firm sacks driver who was filmed overtaking cyclist with inches to spare (+ video)1 year 5 weeks agoWell done to the company for

    Well done to the company for taking decisive and swift action. I would have liked to have seen some action from the police but I'd also quite like the fairies at the bottom of my garden to give me a pot of gold, more chance of the latter I think

  • Mavic Cosmic Carbon 40 wheels1 year 5 weeks agohow would these compare to

    how would these compare to the new Reynolds Assault 41mm carbon wheels at 1475g and around £1200?

  • Buy a fake, risk death, support slavery – says bike industry1 year 5 weeks agoI don't care that my frame

    I don't care that my frame was built in a smoky hell hole of a sweat shop, with appalling conditions, zero health and safety, and for slave wages of pennies an hour.

    Because in 1953, that's the way all bikes were made in Glasgow!

    Like the a Trek man says, potentially a frame lasts a lifetime, even the most confident rider must occasionally worry that their chervelo, chinarello or whatever might not be up to that big descent.......especially after that pothole....was that a creak or did I imagine that......

  • First look: Olympia Leader Disc1 year 5 weeks agoSorry, call me a Luddite but

    Sorry, call me a Luddite but discs are just ugly. I'm with the UCI on that one.

  • Buy a fake, risk death, support slavery – says bike industry1 year 5 weeks agoTrekBikesUK wrote:People who

    TrekBikesUK wrote:
    People who buy counterfeit products are not intentionally supporting organised crime. Of course not. The purpose of this piece is to try and educate people about where the money goes when they DO buy what they think is just a super cheap version of what they assume is an overpriced bike.

    Seriously, when it comes to the quality aspect and the moral aspect of ripping off someone elses work I agree with you entirely.

    Quote:
    If you buy a counterfeit bike on an internet site like Alibaba, you not only run the risk of injury or even death, you could also be supporting organised crime like drug trafficking and prostitution, says the World Federation of the Sporting Goods Industry (WFSGI).

    But as it states in the first paragraph of this article that someone who buys a bike from Alibaba could be supporting drug trafficking. And my question is how is that different from buying a legitimate brand that sponsors someone who is or was involved in drug trafficking? In my mind, and you may disagree, there doesn't seem to be much difference there.

    Like I said, I don't support or condone fakes. My beef is really with the spin they're putting on this whole issue. It's an industry body talking to the end customers like they're a bunch of idiots who can be easily manipulated.

  • Buy a fake, risk death, support slavery – says bike industry1 year 5 weeks agoPopped in to Halfords before

    Popped in to Halfords before they closed. Couldn't see any prostitutes.

  • Tirreno-Adriatico1 year 5 weeks agoTwybaydos wrote:What is

    Twybaydos wrote:
    What is infuriating me is the sprinters I want for stage 2 aren't on teams which can time trial, and the teams set up for TTT (I'm looking at you Orica) didn't bother to pack a sprinter. Where the bloody hell is Leigh Howard?

    Agreed, ive sort of just ignored the TTT, gone with the sprinters I want, and then put in Petacchi and Poels as I think OPQS will win it. Yes I may fall behind, but the maximum that can be scored will be around the 170 mark. So im taking my chances that I can somehow muster 70 odd points then pull it back. Also as its the first TTT of the year its still hard to tell

  • Tirreno-Adriatico1 year 5 weeks agoWhat is infuriating me is the

    What is infuriating me is the sprinters I want for stage 2 aren't on teams which can time trial, and the teams set up for TTT (I'm looking at you Orica) didn't bother to pack a sprinter. Where the bloody hell is Leigh Howard?