• Need wheel advice1 year 3 weeks agoFulcrum Quattro's.

    Fulcrum Quattro's.

  • New Forest presents draft charter for cycling events1 year 3 weeks agoNeil753 wrote:I'm well aware

    Neil753 wrote:
    I'm well aware of what the highway code says, and I'm well aware that (theoretically) a single file means an overtaking vehicle spends longer on the dangerous side of the road, but that's not really the point I was making.

    What concerns me is that using pictures like this, which may well be regarded by drivers as cyclists being arrogant or inattentive, even if those cyclists aren't technically breaking any laws, have the potential to fuel the confict between parties.

    You've all got to remember that your comments are being read by drivers, and indeed by those who seek to ban sportives, who will inevitably note the collective scorn heaped on any suggestion of compromise for the common good, and that social media can so easily work against us.

    This is nonsense.

  • Chris Hoy hits out at “stupid” cyclists1 year 3 weeks agoI kind of agree with him.

    I kind of agree with him. Really annoyed me yesterday as I waited in ASL at a junction, cars properly queueing behind, and this lass on her mountain bike just rides on through the red, then cuts across the pavement to saved perhaps ten seconds off her journey. It was just bad manners as much as anything.

  • Chris Hoy hits out at “stupid” cyclists1 year 3 weeks ago@Beztweets wrote a very good

    @Beztweets wrote a very good piece on 'respect'

    http://beyondthekerb.wordpress.com/2013/10/11/the-most-basic-respect/

    "Respect is not earned. Respect can - should - be voluntarily given, not least because those who need it may not have the opportunity to earn it. To respect people is a choice. In most aspects of life people choose to do so unquestioningly. Yet not on the road.

    To use this excuse to diminish the value of lives lost on the road is cheap and morally bankrupt, and is a cover for a baffling reluctance to make just one decision: that not killing someone is the most important thing you will do today.

    The most basic respect of all is surely to respect someone’s mere existence.

    If you feel that such a fundamental level of respect needs to be earned, then you are a deeply dangerous human being."

  • Chris Hoy hits out at “stupid” cyclists1 year 3 weeks agoIf I get hit by a car I'll be

    If I get hit by a car I'll be sure to remember as I'm ground to pulp that it's all because I didn't have respect of other road users due to someone I've never met jumping a red light. A real comfort.

  • A thoroughly good cove1 year 3 weeks agoSB76 wrote:Anyone on the road

    SB76 wrote:
    Anyone on the road needs to earn respect. If we all behaved like that, perhaps the roads would be less dangerous.

    Utter, utter nonsense. Simply an excuse for not giving a toss for others' lives. See the link above.

    When you pass someone on the road, you don't know who they are, you don't know what they've done, you don't know anything. They have no opportunity to earn your respect. None. Not one tiny bit.

    So when you're approaching them in your car, how do you decide whether you care about them getting home to see their kids? What makes that important to you? You can make sure that you leave room for any foreseeable eventuality without them being killed, or you can just skim past them and if they have to dodge a pothole then, well, that's just their bad luck. It'll buff out of your bonnet.

    If they have to earn your respect, how the hell do you make that decision?

  • Chris Hoy hits out at “stupid” cyclists1 year 3 weeks agoAnd the prats come out. Well

    And the prats come out. Well done Chris. If cyclists stop acting like plonkers, then they can expect to stop being treated like plonkers.

    Yeah, motorists are also plonkers, but Chris is quite right about cyclists being their own worst enemies...

  • Chris Hoy hits out at “stupid” cyclists1 year 3 weeks agoQuality, you wouldn't fancy

    Quality, you wouldn't fancy sprinting away from the lights after being told off either

  • Chris Hoy hits out at “stupid” cyclists1 year 3 weeks agoWish I didn't have one of his

    Wish I didn't have one of his bikes now. So I don't get respect on the road because of some chavy twat being stupid on their bike. Drivers certainly don't earn my respect but I still have to give it, or I die. Respect does not need to be earned when the consequences could be someone's life. Wave

  • Chris Hoy hits out at “stupid” cyclists1 year 3 weeks agoCouldn't agree with the big

    Couldn't agree with the big man more. Well said that man.

  • New Forest presents draft charter for cycling events1 year 3 weeks agoThe riders on the left (of

    The riders on the left (of the picture) have taken the lane, an appropriate and safe position even if they weren't cycling in a group. The others are riding inside that line. What's the problem?

  • Chris Hoy hits out at “stupid” cyclists1 year 3 weeks agoUsh wrote:Quote: recently

    Ush wrote:
    Quote:

    recently announced plans to get into car racing.

    Hmmm.


    He's racing in British GT at Rockingham on Monday. He's not bad at it.

  • DfT launches road sign consultation - with strong focus on cycling infrastructure1 year 3 weeks agoI have some sympathy for

    I have some sympathy for motorcyclists; I'd rather they were actually in the box than clogging the arteries that lead into it. I can't think of an outcome I'm completely happy with, but if a motorcycle has filtered all the way to the front, I can't really see any other options...

    As for ASLs, I think one of the main problems is that they're still just... paint. I think it feels more intuitive to simply let your car roll up to the traffic lights regardless of what's painted underneath it. I've been thought-experiementing with the idea of having something slightly raised just to make the act if crossing the ASL line more tactile, give more feedback, and altogether be a more conscious experience to the driver. The 2 dimensional, painted nature of pretty much all cycle markings just makes them so easy to ignore. Having a more tactile setup would increase driver awareness of its existence and importance. One example I've read is the idea of installing cat-eyes along the side of bike lanes. It would allow filtration of cyclists, whilst meaning that if someone wanted to park there, they'd get scolded by a few solid bumps -- I think it'd be a much more conscious decision, and would make people feel more uneasy before casually flouting the law. Obviously segregated infrastructure is the most extreme example of this, but I think there's value in also having cheaper and more accessible options that can be rolled out faster and modified more easily. This video (https://www.ted.com/talks/janette_sadik_khan_new_york_s_streets_not_so_m...) has got me relatively convinced of the idea of treating road design as somewhat flexible, and I think it's my own intuition of driving (and being so removed from the road surface below), that has convinced me that building a more vivid, physical map of of cycle areas in motorists' consciousnesses is a good thing.

    I don't have any mega-specific ideas that I'd stand by to the grave, but I do feel that current infrastructure is a bit wishy-washy and... painty. I think the implementation of something in between paint, and fully segregated infrastructure could fill the gap, and perhaps bridge it, meaning that when segregation does come, it's more informed, and may actually come faster.

    Anyway, bit off topic, but I think the concept of giving cycle infrastructure a bit more tactile significance than paint isn't discussed enough. Cue monologue.

  • New Forest presents draft charter for cycling events1 year 3 weeks agoI'm well aware of what the

    I'm well aware of what the highway code says, and I'm well aware that (theoretically) a single file means an overtaking vehicle spends longer on the dangerous side of the road, but that's not really the point I was making.

    What concerns me is that using pictures like this, which may well be regarded by drivers as cyclists being arrogant or inattentive, even if those cyclists aren't technically breaking any laws, have the potential to fuel the confict between parties.

    You've all got to remember that your comments are being read by drivers, and indeed by those who seek to ban sportives, who will inevitably note the collective scorn heaped on any suggestion of compromise for the common good, and that social media can so easily work against us.

  • NSW roads minister says cyclists should be licensed and banned from some roads - for their own safety1 year 3 weeks agoNearly all cyclists already

    Nearly all cyclists already have licenses. Adult cyclists anyway. They're the same driving licenses that neanderthals like Duncan Gay have.

  • Chris Hoy hits out at “stupid” cyclists1 year 3 weeks agoRespect is given. Not earned.

    Respect is given. Not earned.

  • Chris Hoy hits out at “stupid” cyclists1 year 3 weeks agoThat's Chris Hoy off my

    That's Chris Hoy off my christmas card list.

  • NSW roads minister says cyclists should be licensed and banned from some roads - for their own safety1 year 3 weeks agoI do believe everyone making

    I do believe everyone making a public statement about cycling should first be required to commute to work for a month.

  • Chris Hoy hits out at “stupid” cyclists1 year 3 weeks agoget fucked chris mate. fuck

    get fucked chris mate. fuck right off.

  • dhb launch Goldline summer clothing range1 year 3 weeks agoI'm so glad it looks...

    I'm so glad it looks... normal. The more cycle clothing available that doesn't make you look like either a Power Ranger or a shrink-wrapped billboard, the better. I don't understand why so much cycle gear is so gratuitously horrible. People pay excessive amounts for Rapha clothing, and I'm convinced that the main reason (besides the seductive lifestyle branding), is that it's one of the few pieces of cycle clothing that just looks like... clothing, rather than a collection of bizarre space costumes.

  • Chris Hoy hits out at “stupid” cyclists1 year 3 weeks agoShould car drivers earn our

    Should car drivers earn our respect as well then? What a load of crap. Let's start policing everyone and telling people off. I want to go out and enjoy my ride, not play policeman... There will always be idiots who decide to break the law. It's not up to us to make sure that these people behave so that motorists respect the rest of us.

  • Chris Hoy hits out at “stupid” cyclists1 year 3 weeks agoQuote: recently announced

    Quote:

    recently announced plans to get into car racing.

    Hmmm.

  • A thoroughly good cove1 year 3 weeks agoSB76 wrote:Anyone on the road

    SB76 wrote:
    Anyone on the road needs to earn respect. If we all behaved like that, perhaps the roads would be less dangerous.

    No, that is nonsense.

    Everyone on the roads needs to be treated with respect, equal respect.

  • Video: Sussex Police use CCTV footage of motorist knocking 12-year-old girl off bike in safety campaign1 year 3 weeks agoKiwiMike wrote:oozaveared

    KiwiMike wrote:
    oozaveared wrote:

    And on the flip side how easy it is for people to be careless and not look carefully enough so making the point about doing everything you can to mitigate the chances that their mistake ends up with you getting hurt.

    Please quote the peer-reviewed sciency stuff showing the Hi-Viz reduces collisions. I'm sure a lot of people will want to see it. Particularly the Hi-Viz industry, who - strangely - don't cite any evidence their products improve safety. Rather like the helmet industry, come to think of it...

    But I digress. For further proof of the victim-blaming-wrapped-up-as-safety-message bent of this whole thing, look no further than the follow-up article, including comments from the driver himself: http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/11187568.Driver_who_knocked_down_girl_cyc...

    "It was my fault that I hit her but she was dressed in all grey on what was a rather grey day.

    "It may not have made a difference in this case, but I would urge cyclists to wear bright clothes, or high visibility items."

    Spot the two 'buts' in there? This person clearly believes they were not fully responsible. Sure, they have admitted liability - but I bet only because it was on tape.

    And I disagree with your comparison that this is akin to taking sensible anti-theft precautions. Theft is a calculated action, minimised by sensible precaution. Road collisions are more often than not the fault of one party, and no amount of precaution or clothing on the part of the other will save you - unless, as requested, you do have that Hi-Viz-works proof. The fact that the Police still bang on about it being an equal responsibility is corrosive. It's victim-blaming.

    No more no less.

    You first. Tell me where I say you have to wear high viz clothing. Or was that a Blue Peter response you prepared earlier.

    Queensland Uni have done some work but that is dusk and low light based.

    TRL have also done some work on it. The conclusion is that it is not hi viz per se but the level of contrast against a background that aids visibility such that white and/or black may work very well in certain circumstances. Hi viz is Hi viz because it uses colours that are likely to contrast with most backgrounds.

    Increasing your visibility not necessaily by Hi viz clothing is a good idea. I use lights even in the day. I even do that when I am driving. Positioning is also a means of increasing your visibility. Likewise having a sensible idea of what drivers can see and what they are focusing on at the time is helpful. Cycling makes me a better driver and driving makes me a better cyclist.

    Don't be so obessesed with one or the other. In my view on an open road wearing clothes using lights that aid your visibility from a distance is not a matter of being seen or not being seen. It's more a matter of being seen and being "noticed" a little bit earlier. You may want to explore the concept of seeing without noticing. The brain is hierachical. We see huge amounts. We notice much less.

    In advanced driving we have a mantra that has the acronym TTR. Time To React. In most cases we mean by providing that time for yourself, but you should also provide it for others. If you help yourself to be noticed a bit earlier a driver may well start thinking about passing you a bit earlier. They may make a better job of it. Some won't bother but some may. And people with poor vision shouldn't be driving but they are. Likewise people with poor reactions. Of course they'll see you without the hi viz. But they may notice you earlier. TTR aids road safety al round.

    I have been riding properly since my early teens joining a club in 1973. I've been a driver since I was 17 in 1979. I have driven professionally all over the world. I don't wear a helmet but I do use day time lights and I think about what I wear.

    BTW "Victim blaming" is such a crass phrase. It's philosophically dishonest. It's based on a false dichotomy. see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma

    The victim of a collision is not automatically absolved of blame just because some people think the term "Victim blaming" is a form of check mate in an argument. It's a logical fallacy. Saves you having to think too much is all and tidies everything into a lazy binary choice.

    Why don't you stop using it and deal with the more complex realities of these matters.

  • Met says thieves target mass-market commuting bikes - because they are easier to sell1 year 3 weeks agoallez neg wrote:No no no no.

    allez neg wrote:
    No no no no. No.

    Victim blaming surely - there should be the infrastructure in place and the societal change necessary to eradicate theft before us bike owners should be expected to use locks.

    This is the road.cc forum after all.

    Just out of interest, do you know what the theft rate of "properly secured" bicycles is?

    For myself, I ride around with a 10Kg chain. I triple lock the bicycle with it and also attach claymores. To round off the job, and protect myself reasonably, as anyone that cares about their bicycle would, I carry a 30Kg lead-acid battery which can deliver a stunning jolt to whoever touches the bicycle. After all, it pays to take precautions doesn't it?

    Be safe out there!

    Oh... nearly forgot... I also wear a special hat and clothing to deter the bike thieves.