• TDU Stage 21 year 12 weeks agoGkam84 wrote:Gorka and Jon in

    Gkam84 wrote:
    Gorka and Jon in top 10 GC.....

    MY NIGHTMARE gets worse. I supported them ALL season in 2012....they let me down time and again. Crying Crying

    Haha im a big fan of Jon, think he is gonna do well this year

  • TDU Stage 21 year 12 weeks agoGorka and Jon in top 10

    Gorka and Jon in top 10 GC.....

    MY NIGHTMARE gets worse. I supported them ALL season in 2012....they let me down time and again. Crying Crying

  • TDU Stage 21 year 12 weeks agoListening to Gilbert describe

    Listening to Gilbert describe the crash

    http://www.bmcracingteam.com/index.php?id=12

  • TDU Stage 21 year 12 weeks agoChristopher Juul-Jensen got

    Christopher Juul-Jensen got the combat prize

  • TDU Stage 21 year 12 weeks agoSlagter takes the young kids

    Slagter takes the young kids jersey, You are correct Nerd

  • TDU Stage 21 year 12 weeks agoToday is official site and

    Today is official site and sources Wink

    I'm only doing it to save Dave the hassle when he gets up. But I have someone on the inside through twitter Big Grin

  • TDU Stage 21 year 12 weeks agoYes that is Jon Izagirre in

    Yes that is Jon Izagirre in 6th

    Top 2 in Young riders are Slater and Izagirre

  • TDU Stage 21 year 12 weeks agoIt said he was 6th after

    It said he was 6th after those sprints, so I doubt it

    where are you getting all your results from for doing the scores?

  • TDU Stage 21 year 12 weeks agoUnofficial top 9 GC Geraint

    Unofficial top 9 GC
    Geraint Thomas (GBR) - SKY,
    Javier Moreno (ESP) - MOV @ 5,
    Ben Hermans (BEL) - RLT @ 7,
    Daniele Pietropolli (ITA) - LAM @ 14,
    Tom-Jelte Slagter (NED) - BLA @ 14,
    Gorka Izagirre (ESP) - EUS @ 14, (Think its Jon)
    Tiago Pinto Machado (POR) - RLT @ 14,
    Tim Wellens (BEL) - LTB @ 14,
    Jussi Veikkanen (FRA) - FDJ @ 14

    I've been correcting the official live text and twitter feeds of Tour Down Under today and getting thanks for it Tongue

  • TDU Stage 21 year 12 weeks agoYeah, Clarke has 12 at the

    Yeah, Clarke has 12 at the moment, might pick up a couple on the sprints jersey top 5.

    Just finishing off the scores

  • TDU Stage 21 year 12 weeks agoSkys prompt finish the

    Skys prompt finish the coverage occurred at 3.30 so going on the official site now

    only positive is 12 points for Will Clarke who I have in both teams

    And I think Machado in my purist team came in the top 15

  • TDU Stage 21 year 12 weeks agoGilbert looks alright, just a

    Gilbert looks alright, just a slight tear to his jersey on the right shoulder

  • TDU Stage 21 year 12 weeks agoYeah that's the top 10, Not

    Yeah that's the top 10, Not to bad for me, I have a couple in both teams.

    I forgot to take GT in as I had him marked for this stage....

  • TDU Stage 21 year 12 weeks agoAll in all another shocking

    All in all another shocking day for me

  • TDU Stage 21 year 12 weeks agoThomas Moreno Hermans Slagter

    Thomas
    Moreno
    Hermans
    Slagter
    Wellens
    Pietropolli
    Bauer
    Kelderman
    Jon Izagirre
    Bennett

    I think that was the order of the top 10, got a mixed up with riders 5-8 but those are the riders

  • TDU Stage 21 year 12 weeks agoI couldn't come on the forum

    I couldn't come on the forum as computer was being a prat, had to stick to twitter Smile

  • TDU Stage 21 year 12 weeks agoas many as 15 riders involved

    as many as 15 riders involved in the crash, no other names at the moment

  • TDU Stage 21 year 12 weeks agoGeraint Thomas wins and takes

    Geraint Thomas wins and takes the leaders Jersey

    Moreno 2nd followed by Hermans and Bennett

    Thomas also 1st over the climb

  • road.cc's tips for riding on ice and snow1 year 12 weeks agoReally? Cable-ties around the

    Really? Cable-ties around the tyre and rim? So what happens when you brake?
    P.R.

  • First look: Giant Propel Advanced SL & Envie aero road bikes +video1 year 12 weeks agoMinardiM189 wrote:Another

    MinardiM189 wrote:
    Another manufacturer testing in a wind tunnel which is too small. Thinking

    More meaningless aero figures.

    Big Grin Ha! I thought I was the only one that noticed that. Car/scale model wind tunnels are not designed for vertically tall structures.

    Besides, and here is a shocker, wind tunnels are just about useless for reliably establishing real world aerodynamic performance of small structures traveling at low speeds due to the very low ratio of forward motion versus incident wind speeds. In other words, air around us is not a perfectly laminar, stable, uniform density mass as in a wind tunnel, but a swirling random mess. At car or airplane speeds, this does not matter much as the forward motion vector is orders of magnitude higher than any local vectors, but at bike speeds it matters a great deal...I'd like to see field testing become the norm for establishing aerodynamic superiority of bikes.

    Lastly, Giant admitted that the setup of their bike was different to the setup of other bikes, thus how they can then combine the data and present their bike as being superior is beyond me.

    I wonder when bike brands will start suing each other for misrepresentation with intent to cause commercial damage to competitors...

  • TV Coverage1 year 12 weeks agoI don't think Sky sports show

    I don't think Sky sports show much other than the Tour Down Under.

    If you've got a decent internet connection that can stream live TV you can get Eurosport player for
    £2.99/month. Which seems like a good deal. Eurosport do most if not all world tour events.

    Over the past couple of years ITV have shown the Tour de France, the Vuelta a Espana and the Tour of Britain, as well as highlights of other races such as the Tour Series and national champs.

    Also, there is the Radioshack tour tracker which gives good coverage on the internet of the biggest US stage races such as the Pro-Cycling Challenge, Tour of California and the Tour of Utah.

    Or a cycling.tv subscription is £39.99 for a year or £14.99 for quarterly subscription.

  • First look: Giant Propel Advanced SL & Envie aero road bikes +video1 year 12 weeks agoWould there be a link to

    Would there be a link to those wind tunnel protocols MinardiM189 cos it'd be useful to have?

  • Cheap holiday from Rapha1 year 12 weeks agoHas to be a typo.

    Has to be a typo.

  • Rapha Rain Jacket on sale1 year 12 weeks agoPerhaps you can wear it on

    Perhaps you can wear it on this this bargain holiday Rapha are offering

    http://www.rapha.cc/climbs-of-the-tour-de-langkawi/

    Surprise

  • First look: Giant Propel Advanced SL & Envie aero road bikes +video1 year 12 weeks agoMinardiM189 wrote:Mat Brett

    MinardiM189 wrote:
    Mat Brett wrote:
    MinardiM189 wrote:

    There are also basic rules...

    That's the point, MinardiM189. There aren't any agreed rules. Giant clearly think their test results are valid.

    They say, "Eschewing current industry testing standards, which typically utilize either static dummies or human riders to measure aerodynamic performance of rider and bike, Giant developed a dynamic mannequin for its wind-tunnel development sessions at the ACE wind tunnel in Magny-Cours, France. Unlike a static mannequin, a dynamic mannequin accurately replicates the aerodynamic effects of a cyclist pedaling a bicycle."

    Other designers/engineers will doubtless disagree with Giant's protocol. There are no standard rules to which everyone has signed up, so everyone will continue to publish their own figures which demonstrate that their product is undoubtedly more aerodynamically efficient than everyone else's.

    There are standard rules for wind tunnels testing accepted across aerospace and automotive sectors.

    The fact that Giant and some other bicycle manufactures don't follow these shows a fundamental lack of aerodynamic training. Or they are testing purely for marketing reasons.

    To get any meaningful results (particularly at yaw) they need to use a bigger wind tunnel.

    It isn't about any protocols it is about the basics of wind tunnel testing.

    I think it's purely for marketing point - sure some might be genuinely more aero than others but on the whole it's hard to trust anyone. It's funny that drag coefficients of cars are not told in the same way.