- Lance Armstrong reaction round-up: Conflicting views from cycling and beyond as Texan gets back in saddle despite ban1 year 16 weeks agoPaul J - No he hasn't been
Paul J - No he hasn't been convicted and he has never tested positive and he has never been sanctioned and he still has not been proven with evidnece he has tested postive.
The problem here is that this causes more problems. If the USADA have this evidence they claim they should have presented it and and got a definitive answer but they chose not to. You have to ask why. Probably because they had no evidence because there is no evidence that Lance ever tested positive.
Now they have left an open field for people to be judges claiming this is the truth. maybe the police here should act in the same way. You're speeding, No I'm not, well we don't care your convicted, where;s the evidence you shout, we don't need any and we don't need to show it. Now that should be a great way to act. Most people would cry out in anger but why here do we say this form of law if justified.
The most disturbing thing here is that sports people can now be convicted without evidence and just of the say so of discredited bodies like the USADA. Who as far as I can see have an agenda that has nothing to do with cleaning up sports. More likely has a lot to do with political
The USADA bully with substantial jail terms for people to support there case. If Lance had avoided 500 + testing procedures where is the criminal proceeding against the UCI and those people in authority that colluded with him to avoid these test. there is none. There is no evidence except in the mob that are baying for blood and no evidence to support there case except conjecture and possibilities described on pages like this.
- Vuelta chat (possible spoilers)1 year 16 weeks agoAye, I don't like Contador
Aye, I don't like Contador but I have to admit, his attacking style was sorely missed at this year's tour.
Having four attacking riders in Contador, Rodriguez (who is always great to watch), Valverde and Froome definitely spices things up and I'm looking forward to the next two weeks although I'm worried that the three Spaniards will gang up on Froome if he takes the red jersey on Wednesday.
- FOR SALE - Zipp 303 - 2011 Tubular Wheelset - Campagnolo - New Vittoria Corsa Evo CX tubs1 year 16 weeks agoHi Rob,
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- Lance Armstrong reaction round-up: Conflicting views from cycling and beyond as Texan gets back in saddle despite ban1 year 16 weeks agohairyairey: If all you can
hairyairey: If all you can find against Lance are accusations from riders who doped themselves, then you haven't looked much at all into the Lance affair and/or you've only read his side of the story. Seriously, it's not hard at all to find that Lance has tested positive for corticosteriods in '99, or that his samples from that tour tested positive for EPO in retrospective testing. These are well-documented and widely reported facts. You can find interviews with scientists involved, who have no particular involvement in cycling, to back what is there in the WADA and UCI record.
As for EPO, there is a test for recombinant EPO. However, it's not detectable for very long, according to what I have read from experts (and I suspect you're not one). As you say, there are also tests that look at blood data, e.g. haematocrit, and for the proportion of reticulocytes (new blood cells) which can indicate EPO doping if high, and others I think. These tests exist precisely because the direct evidence of EPO doping disappear so quickly, while the resultant effects of it on the bloodstream persist for longer (if they didn't EPO doping wouldn't be much use to the athlete).
It's worth noting that the USADA say that part of their evidence they have, upon which they are banning Lance, is abnormal blood data, which doctors say is consistent with doping. The details hopefully will emerge in due course, once the USADA processes against other individuals are finished.
Anyway, the evidence that Lance has failed tests is very easy to find, and widely acknowledged. Not looking doesn't erase it. Further, psuedo-scientific clap-trap to suggest that rEPO could persist from a cancer treatment many years earlier, and persist *in the bloodstream*, based on little factoids about red blood cell production doesn't help make your argument look credible. (Also, which is it: you say can't find any evidence Lance tested + for EPO, so why are you trying explain how he could test positive?).
This isn't about _presuming_ that Lance is guilty based on mere hearsay and innuendo. It's about there being a huge amount of evidence, from indisputable analytical doping tests, to a wide variety of former staff and team-mates (including people who have no connection to the sport anymore, and who never doped themselves, have no interest either way) producing first-hand accounts that Lance doped himself, that Lance gave advice on how to dope, that Lance admitted to doping, that Lance provided doping materials and agents.
You either have to be a conspiracy theorist on the level of those who claim the moon landings to have been faked to believe Lance didn't dope. You have to believe that WADA, USADA, many anti-doping chaperones and scientists, Judge Sparks in Texas, Lance's former soigneur, many of his team-mates, are all conspiring against him! Only those few, still loyal people around Lance (generally all with financial interests in him, strangely) and Lance himself telling the truth, in the face of that evil conspiracy! Or else you have to the kind of person who is wilfully ignorant, so invested emotionally in the legend of Lance that you refuse to look at anything that might run counter to what you want to believe in.
NB: If there is any conspiracy at all, it's been at the UCI - protecting Armstrong from being punished from his *known* positive tests, and perhaps even helping him evade further controls.
NB2: The interesting thing about the '99 tour retrospective EPO testing was that 13 / 87 samples tested positive. Of the 13, 6 samples belonged to Lance. On the face of it this suggests that the peloton largely tested clean, and that Lance was on another level when it came to doping. I.e. it undermines any "level playing field" argument, at least for his '99 win.
Useful background reading:
Cycling news index to its Lance doping related stories: http://bit.ly/PgqQNc
English translation of "L.A. Confidentiel": http://www.sendspace.com/file/w3w826
Interview with Dr Michael Ashenden, who was involved in the development of the EPO test: http://velocitynation.com/content/interviews/2009/michael-ashenden
- Lance Armstrong reaction round-up: Conflicting views from cycling and beyond as Texan gets back in saddle despite ban1 year 16 weeks agoThe really scary thing is
The really scary thing is that agencies like the USADA csan not convict sports people with no evidence and no no court case. There is so much what if's and subjection that has not been tied in a court of law.
if the case was so strong the USADA should have gone to court but they pushed for a withdrawal its a game. lance is guilty of nothing until proven and as no judge has seen the evidence and come to a conclusion. that is why we have a judicial system, for a legally represented person to decided between two parties.
Look at the feeding frenzy above. It silly and pathetic. he avoided 500 tests and such if that was the case why not criminal procedures against the UCI or other bossies and people for supporting criminal acts and such.
No nothing else - this is a witchhunt to rival the macarthy era. There is no other way to see it. There is o way that some one can avoid 500 + tests without assistance from senior people but where is the prosecutions for this coming out. There isn't any.
- **SOLD** Ribble Aero TT Carbon Fibre Frame -Large1 year 16 weeks agoNB, its literally £30 more on
NB, its literally £30 more on Ribble.
If it were £350, then I'd seriously consider it.
- Lance Armstrong reaction round-up: Conflicting views from cycling and beyond as Texan gets back in saddle despite ban1 year 16 weeks ago'I really do not understand
'I really do not understand how you can claim that all of a substance given sub-cutaneously can leave the body within 24 hours. The purpose of giving it that way is so that it is absorbed into the bloodstream slowly. I don't have Lance's medical records for all I know he may have been given this via an IV drip. In any event drugs are absorbed into various tissues in the body so you just cannot expect 100% of the drug to leave that quickly. Ever heard of the expression "you are what you eat?"'
Try looking at scientific papers rather than making assumptions. It's very easy.
- VUELTA Stage 9 Andorra-Barcelona1 year 16 weeks agoMeersman for
Meersman for Quintana(success)
Davis for Froome(fail....lost Froomes' GC/Comp pts)
J-Rod for Boom(epic fail....that's what you get for thinking too far ahead,plus J-Rod done what I expected Valverde to do)
Marczynski rescued a disaster into mediocrity
- Salsa reveal 2013 bikes including the all new Colossal1 year 16 weeks agoIt would have been good to
It would have been good to know the relative weights of the Colossal Ti and steel frames. As it's an unusual race/tour design, it also seems essential to know what max tyre size is possible. It's always disappointing when these essentials are missing from bike reviews.
- Tech round-up: Sensa bikes, Colourbolt 2013, Pro saddles, new Polar GPS, Vulpine for women & more1 year 16 weeks agorubbing it in...
rubbing it in...
- Lance Armstrong reaction round-up: Conflicting views from cycling and beyond as Texan gets back in saddle despite ban1 year 16 weeks agoCorrection I meant 2.4
Correction I meant 2.4 million cells per second.
- Lance Armstrong reaction round-up: Conflicting views from cycling and beyond as Texan gets back in saddle despite ban1 year 16 weeks agoThe problem is guys that the
The problem is guys that the case against Lance is so far conjecture. If I understand correctly there was synthetic EPO supposedly detected however his medical condition when he had cancer was such that he was given this to keep him alive. From his book neither his oncologist or team manager expected him to live. From doing more research on this it appears that there is still not an effective test for synthetic EPO it's either the change of Hematocrit or the rate of change of new cells created that are looked at. The same effects could be accounted for by altitude training or sleeping in a tent with reduced oxygen levels (which Lance used to do and maybe still does). I say could because the rate of change is not publicised, probably because they don't want to encourage people to evade the limit (which would be very hard given that we already produce around 2.4 million red cells every minute).
I really do not understand how you can claim that all of a substance given sub-cutaneously can leave the body within 24 hours. The purpose of giving it that way is so that it is absorbed into the bloodstream slowly. I don't have Lance's medical records for all I know he may have been given this via an IV drip. In any event drugs are absorbed into various tissues in the body so you just cannot expect 100% of the drug to leave that quickly. Ever heard of the expression "you are what you eat?"
I find it really sad that people presume that because someone is a great athlete they must therefore be taking drugs (The US did this with a Chinese swimmer too).
All I have managed to find so far are claims that Lance took drugs from someone who initially denied taking them himself but it appears has now admitted it. So not a very reliable witness then, and someone I'm ashamed to admit I initially supported too.
Supposing I am wrong in presuming the most obnoxious Lance Armstrong is not a drug cheat. In that case there will be a paper/electronic trail of drugs being supplied to his team somewhere. If he was doing it, so was everyone else.
I expect and hope it'll all blow over soon.
- USA Pro CC Stage 7 ITT1 year 16 weeks ago1,2,3,9,11,15
1,2,3,4,5,8,9 on GC
Kloden in for Nibali was a mistake, If i'd left Danielson and swapped Levi for Nibali I dare say I'd have a chance of the stage today
- Rest Day Transfers?1 year 16 weeks agoYeah, if you make changes
Yeah, if you make changes today, you can roll 2 over and have 4 for the ITT
- Cyclist pushed by passengers in passing car suffers serious injuries1 year 16 weeks agoThere are a lot of psycho
There are a lot of psycho nutters out there. I even had someone try and scare me when I was on my motorbike last week by driving closer and closer and closer - until I decided to play safe and make a dodgy overtake just to put a car between me and the nutter. I think he'd thought we were racing when in fact I was just riding home.
- USADA formally bans Lance Armstrong for life, disqualifies him from all results since 1 August 19981 year 16 weeks ago"it just gives the
"it just gives the ill-informed a reason to doubt the clean ones and rubbish their achievements."
And this is what he is most responsible for. When the evidence comes out (which it will), I hope he is man enough to say "I am sorry..." I will have some respect for him if he did. But it won't happen, the man's arrogance beyond his cheating, will prevent him from doing so.
He has helped make cycling so popular, and in a single stroke he has now destroyed it's beauty for a generation. That a man, on a Grand Tour, can so destroy his body in pursuit of a prize such as the TdF clean. That even those that do win it clean, will always be tarnished.
The systemic, bloodyminded pursuit of glory in the face of any moral compass, made him so unbeatable. I think he called the development of his equipment "the shit that kills them."
I would give Brad Wiggins, Cadel Evans and Tommy Voeckler a weapon of choice and a dark room with Lance Armstrong. However, they will always have the purist form of victory. They KNOW they do it clean. Lance knows he didn't, and that will be in the back of his mind till the day he passes. I almost feel sorry for him, because that will be difficult to cope with.
- USA Pro CC Stage 7 ITT1 year 16 weeks agoPossible yeah, it will be my
Possible yeah, it will be my first one if I do.
- USA Pro CC Stage 7 ITT1 year 16 weeks agonorthstarnorthstar wrote:
1,2,3,4,5,9,10,11 today & 1,2,3,8 and 10 in the overall.
im gonna say stage win for you!
- USA Pro CC Stage 7 ITT1 year 16 weeks ago1,2,3,4,5,9,10,11 today &
1,2,3,4,5,9,10,11 today & 1,2,3,8 and 10 in the overall.
- Rest Day Transfers?1 year 16 weeks agoSo, if I make no rest day
So, if I make no rest day transfers only 2 of the 4 will roll forward giving a maximum possible transfers for the ITT of 4. So, I can use up to two rest day transfers and still have 4 for the ITT.
That makes sense I guess.
- USA Pro CC Stage 7 ITT1 year 16 weeks agoscraps
- USA Pro CC Stage 7 ITT1 year 16 weeks agoTERatcliffe26 wrote:(yourTERatcliffe26 wrote:
(your results simon are missing brajkovic who was 15th)
Thanks - I'd just spotted that when I realised I could only count to 19.
1,2,3,9,11 and 15 for me.
- USA Pro CC Stage 7 ITT1 year 16 weeks agoTaylor Phinney
Taylor Phinney 17:25
Christian Vandevelde +10
Tejay Van Garderen +19
Peter Velits +21
Tom Danielson +29
Tom Zirbel +31
Vincenzo Nibali +37
Tanel Kangert +40
Levi Leipheimer +43
Dave Zabriskie +45
Jens Voigt +48
Artem Ovechkin +50
Jakob Fuglsang +50
Martin Velits +50
Janez Brajkovic +52 --- EDIT missed him out
Hugo Houle +52
Moreno Moser +53
Michael Schar +57
Matt Busche +59
Nathan Haas +1:01
- USA Pro CC Stage 7 ITT1 year 16 weeks ago1,2,3,8,9,10,15 (your results
1,2,3,8,9,10,15 (your results simon are missing brajkovic who was 15th)
then 1,2,3,4,5,10 in the GC
and dombrowski will be 1st in young rider
so all my riders will score
- USA Pro CC Stage 7 ITT1 year 16 weeks agoGC:-
Andreas Kloden +1:08
Janez Brajkovic +1:14
Peter Stetina +1:39