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Most Combative Rider Award
Points going up, for info Cavendish was awarded most combative... for the stage so he gets another 10 points...
I don't like the Most Combative Rider Award. Everything else in the race is based on a measurement, an order, who gets there first, etc.... This one? Well, it's judged. It's awarded. Not measured. It might as well be a beauty pageant award. I think it can be a pretty subjective thing... I propose we get rid of that award next season. 
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not what it says on letour.fr - cav gets them unless it changes on there
Just heard on EuroSport the whole OPQ team got the Combativity award! 10 points for every OPQ rider today?
Wow! 
Or we keep it as no one else seems to have much of a problem with it.
Issue closed
I agree that Greipel's win was a joke. Cav should have won it that day. Whether it should be ditched altogether is another matter though. Points for sprints and mountain points are enough for the break in most but not all cases. Bakelants is today's winner which makes sense and he wouldn't have got much otherwise because he went after the sprint.
This is such an interesting topic...
Well, that did not happen yesterday. Greipel got it...
And this from Cyclingnews.com:
And, that (!) my friend, is why we should get rid of the Combativity Prize in this competition...
Arguments will now be heard from opposing counsel...
i can't really understand why you're wasting your time flogging this particular dead horse. but i guess your time is your own to waste as you see fit
Yeah, you're not making much sense.
My quote says that its pretty much a definite that it'll go to a break except in exceptional circumstances. Yesterday was exceptional in that there was no real break meaning it had to go to someone else. Once you remove the break from the equation the who gets it? No doubt you'd complain if Cav won it or anyone else, you just have a dislike of the prize.
Take today as an example. Bakelandts was a deserving winner of the 10 points, he was aggressive, combative and tried hard to get away.
What you're proposing is that we scrap a prize you don't like because on one stage out of 21 you don't agree with the winner.
Pretty much. Yes!
... but not because I don't agree with the winner, I just don't agree to having it be scored for the game!... I don't think anybody should get points for that!... I'd rather we get scores for the Teams Classification than that (!)...
Or at least notch it down to 5 points (!)...
Well, for what its worth I haven't banked any transfers so far and I'm in the top 100 so that's clearly not your issue. In fact I've taken about 100 points in penalty transfers.
You may know your cycling but apparently 977 people know it better than you
Combativity is a prize which is awarded. It was in the stage listings before the race started so its not like its just been dropped in at random. Its also been there for years so its nothing new. It works in a particular way for the Giro and that's how it is. Get over it.
Only Dowsett(10pts) scored for fantasy purposes.......for me anyone riding a Giro with haemophilia should be given a combativity award!!
Chapeau Alex
Or you could just pick the right riders.
I would need a brain transplant
Urgh... This Combativity Award really irks me... Especially since I didn't have Dowsett, Kangert, Clement or Durbridge on my team! Urgh...
It's heaping points on top of points of guys who already have (!) as ton of points. I hate it! It's redundant and malicious! 
I'm telling you, this Combativity Award and the damned not being able to bank transfers has really (!) done me in! I hate (!) both!
I'm all the way down to No. 978 in the overall, and. trust me (!) I know (!) my cycling! 
No, I didn't have Uran on my team today...
Just F Enriques's I, some info via @inrng (http://inrng.com/2013/05/giro-prizes/)
Combatitivity Prize
Unlike the Tour de France which uses a jury to arbitrarily pick the most spritely rider of the day, this award is measured via points awarded at the finish line, for intermediate sprints and for crossing mountain passes first. Again there’s a ceremony and cash prize each day with a final award on the last day for the whole race.
Yes we did (!). Now it's just called Questions and Comments, which was it's original title... I changed it for a while... And then changed it back !
Wow! And I was calling it a beauty contest!
I stand corrected...
Well, (here I go again!) then I propose next year we treat it as we do the other classifications, the GC, PC, KM and YR classifications...
For example, here's today's Overall Most Combative Rider Classification:
1. Mark Cavendish 17 pts
2. Elia Viviani 16
3. Cameron Wurf 15
4. Rafael Andriato 10
5. Willem Wauters 10
Next year instead of Viviani getting 10 points for the day, I propose Cavendish get 5 pts, Viviani 4, Wurf 3, Andriato 2 and Wauters 1 (!)
Good idea Ray, he can have his own thread and he can spout off as much as he wants.
please.
anyway, all he's asking is if we can drop the combativity award for next year.
and the answer is no.
There. Question asked. Question answered!
How difficult was that?...
Nice!
My hero, Gkam!
I learned how to interact on the forum from him. I owe him my 'Irritability' factor! 
God knows how he annoyed the crap out of me last year! 
If asked, I would would accept the Gkam Memorial Award for Most Irrititating Poster for 2013! 
Thanks!
Erm, thank you. I think I've got a few people interacting on the forum. When I used to raise points. It was a fairly new game and things were still getting worked out.
This is going back to 2011 and earlier.
The game is fairly settled now and I am also part of the team running it. So I can't have been that irritating
Quite a number of my suggestions and comments lead to things happening, some people would improve on my original thought and Dave would then put his touch on it and enacting it into the game.
One other reason I continued to post "provocative" thoughts and statements back then was to actually get people onto the forum and chatting, it was quite a dead place back then, there were only a few of us, maybe 10 who would be using this part of the site.
Now I'm not being big headed, but I feel that the forum has steadily grown over that time and a small part of that might be down to me
So carry on making comments and suggestions, one day you might hit something that will work. But don't expect the warm loving friendly comments that normally come with the forum when you start new threads day in day out with grumbles
That's my "beef" with you, not really a beef as such, but do you need to keep starting new threads?? Try and keep it contained to one
Didn't we have an Enrique Q&A thread?
I read this on twitter last night.....
Given up answering his question's, complaints, comments....etc. Someone go tell him to shut up ITS A GAME http://road.cc/82480 via @roadcc
I think we should award Enrique a Combativity award for being, er, combative. I love his posts. Or I love the reaction to his posts. Have you all considered he just says things to wind everyone up. He cannot be serious surley
+1
I enjoy your threads Enrique and you are not the only one who has been known to raise the backs of other subscribers on occasion. You often raise legitimate points but I have to agree with the majority on this one - it is an official award and that should be reflected in our game, subjective or not.
The pedant inside me does request that you reduce the quotations and the icons though. You are on a rocky road to matching Gkam with his smileys and commas.
To be fair the first post doesn't demand anything....just proposes?
To be unfair enrique's profile shows him to be a New Yorker who rides 'Bikes I rent in the Park' ....nuff said
Cav was at the front nearly all the stage marshalling his team so that the break did not get away and was still there, without his train i might add, to come through from quite a distance back for a sprinter and win against some of the form men and quickets men around at the mo.
Well done to him and for that he deserves the combativity award imho.
He does (!) deserve it, my point isn't about whether he deserves it or not, really...
Putting aside what's been said above and getting back to the initial issue of awarding points to the 'most combative' I think you're missing the point a little bit.
You've said above that you don't think we should award the points because its not black and white like the order of finishers but the fact is, the game is a reflection of the race and as part of the race the commissaires award a prize to the person they deem to have been the most 'combative' or the most 'exciting' or whatever they judge it on. They give the award so we score it.
Its no different from mountain or sprint points which are artificial prizes given for passing an arbitrary point on the route first. And the argument that its not deserved if that person already scored loads of points doesn't wash with me either. If a rider wins a mountain stage with a lone breakaway a la Rabottini last year don't the deserve all of their mountain points as well as the finish points? The combative prize is no different.
I have one question though, did you have Cav in your team yesterday?
If you want to have any credibility you should be playing the premium , otherwise you really shouldn't be asking for game changes.
If you don't like the way it's run don't play you haven't lost anything because YOU HAVEN'T PAID TO PLAY!
I'm not so sure this is correct, I think it's the way enrique poses his points that's the problem, pretty much as TERatcliffe highlights.
Constructive user feedback is good, whether the user is paying or not. The keyword here is constructive. I like that enrique asks questions and makes points, this is afterall a forum for debate. I don't think it's right that we attack enrique for voicing an opinion.
Enrique, take the time to read TERatcliffe's points and consider this next time you post. You'll (hopefully) find a more receptive crowd and be able to build a discussion.
Back on topic - personally I like the subjective nature of the combative award. It rewards excellence and points to an achievement that cannot be summed up simply by saying I came first, second or third. It says: today this rider was special beyond the boundaries of the race and here we honour this special effort with our judgement.
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